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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 09:49 PM

If I may quote Don Firth quoting some one else...."the universe is not only odder than we suppose, it is odder than we can suppose."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 04:35 PM

"As the universe expanded, it cooled down. At 10^-35 seconds, the temperature was a mere 10^27 degrees K (water boils at 373.16 K or 3.7316^2!). At this critical temperature, the universe underwent a phase transition, something like the process that happens when liquid water freezes into ice. The strong nuclear force--which acts at very short distances and holds protons and neutrons together--split off from the other forces. Physicists call this process "symmetry breaking," and it released an enormous amount of energy.

Then, in an extraordinary instant that theorists have dubbed "inflation," the universe expanded exponentially. During this time, the universe grew by a factor of 10^50 in 10^-33 seconds. Talk about runaway inflation!

This scenario, much as it strains credulity, neatly explains several different observations made during the last 20 years--the large-scale smoothness and apparent flatness of the universe among them--that had weakened the original Big Bang theory of cosmology based on a much more leisurely period of expansion.

Things slowed up a bit after the inflationary epoch. A number of observations, well supported by theory, suggest that our universe continued to expand, albeit more slowly, and that it is expanding still.

As space expanded, it continued to cool down. Matter--at first photons, quarks, neutrinos, and electrons, and then protons and neutrons--condensed out, all less than one second after the Big Bang. It was not until one billion years later, when the universe was one-fifth the size it is today, that the matter would form the first stars and galaxies."





Well, so that's the theory. Space expanding madly.

Prior: No space, no time.

Most odd, I must say.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 04:33 PM

Here's a partial discussion:

"At the instant of the Big Bang, the universe was infinitely dense and unimaginably hot. Cosmologists believe that all forms of matter and energy, as well as space and time itself, were formed at this instant. Since "before" is a temporal concept, one cannot ask what came before the Big Bang and therefore "caused" it, at least not within the context of any known physics. (At least one cosmological theory, however, predicts that our universe's Big Bang is part of a chain reaction in which the demise of one universe spawns the birth of many, parallel, universes. According to this scenario, our universe may simply be part of a huge, infinitely growing fractal.)

Science tells us nothing about the way space, time and matter behaved in our universe's earliest instant, from the time of the Big Bang to 10^-43 seconds later. Space was certainly expanding--violently--and from this expansion of space was formed a highly energetic soup of particles and antiparticles.

The energy was so great during the this so-called Grand Unification Epoch--a fine-sounding name for the period from 10^-43 to 10^-35 seconds after the Big Bang--that all matter and energy was essentially interchangeable and in equilibrium. What's more, electromagnetism and the two nuclear forces were as one (gravity, the fourth and weakest force, had separated from the other three at the beginning of the Grand Unification Epoch)."

From http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/InTheBeginning.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 04:09 PM

That's a glib retort, but without substance or merit. You should know better.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 03:25 PM

Mind numbingly hard....

So THAT'S what happened!

Persistence is just a function of Duration, or vice-versa.

I tried to create the Big Bang once, but her father came home too soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 02:21 PM

Well, I guess my question as written has to be answered "No". Big Bang theorists count the development of the Universe from the big bang in nano- and atto-seconds. But all I have heard them talk about is the energy transformation in those time spans.

As for the apparent dependency of time on space, I think it may be illusory. I think space and mass are somehow tied together and brokered in terms of gravity, but I am not sure why this should be so. Psychologically, space is a variable -- a function of the postulated viewpoint of dimension. How that mirrors in the material universe, I dinna ken. Psychologically, time is sort of handy construct that says everything is the same thing as the thing it was before, just persisting., The belief in persistence is they key; it has a certain rotten flavor to it that gives it the lie. How this translates into the lovely time-phases of material spacetime I dinna ken.

And so I was curious how the Big Bang is viewed in terms of space itself. It is mindumbingly hard to think about sometimes, so I don't do it very often.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 12:08 PM

I once caught a fish that grabbed a towel and dried itself off as soon as I got it out of the water.

As for your other question, Amos -- since space and time appear to be linked just as mass and energy are, did time exist before the Big Bang-o? If it did (and I'm talking Time, not just duration), was space created from time when the fuse hit the powder? Or are Space and Time and Mass and Energy all linked -- different aspects of the same thing, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 11:31 AM

"This week, we have a find in Arctic Canada that dates from the emergence of terrestrial vertebrates out of the seas about 375 million years ago. It's been known for a while that the lobe-finned fish were critical intermediaries in this process, but there were multiple changes involved in the transition, and the sequence in which they fell into place remained unclear. The new fossil, of a species named Tiktaalik roseae (Tiktaalik is the word for large, shallow water fish in the Inuktikuk language of Nunavut, where it was found) bridges that gap:

Although the body scales, fin rays, lower jaw and palate are comparable to those in more primitive sarcopterygians [the precursor fish], the new species also has a shortened skull roof, a modified ear region, a mobile neck, a functional wrist joint, and other features that presage tetrapod conditions.

In other words, most of the body was very fish-like, but the top of the head and neck were very much like those of the first amphibians. Meanwhile, much of the eventual terrestrial limb, including the shoulder, elbow, and parts of the wrist, were in place at the forelimb level, but not in the hind limb. Even the forelimb still ended in a fin, rather than digits, though. Although this beast was a predator, with a vaguely alligator-like head, the researchers suggest that it took advantage of its ability to drag itself onto land to escape predators. This is both because it would have moved too slowly to hunt down prey out of water, and it's unclear whether any prey was out of the water at the time. " (Ars Technica--4-06)




If we keep on finding missing links at this rate we'll be back to square one. Or something like that.

Here's a question: does anyone know whether Big Bang theory asserts that space as well as matter began with the Big Bang? Or was space itself an existing initial condition of the Big Bang? Was the expansion generating apce as well as all matter? (Why does this feel like asking an adult hard questions about God?)

EIther way, I don't think we understand space very well; just as most fish do not know they are wet.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 08:29 AM

Cite Henry Kissinger's remark that "power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." That should get a red-blooded 16-year-old boy interested in politics!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 04:29 AM

Good work, Still! A new generation of BSers needs to be made ready....



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 01:27 AM

I took my 16-on-Friday son with me to the caucus tonight. I had trouble keeping him interested past an hour and a half, so I took him home (six blocks) while people were still signing in. I returned for the meeting, and am a senate district delegate. Our town split completely down the middle, numbers and demographically. Nearly 200 came back for the caucus. When I got back home and we watched some returns and got talking about it I could see he is interested, and I lit a bit of a fire under him telling him about our meeting. I think that tomorrow at school it might just be useful to him that he experienced part of it. The Democratic process isn't very tidy, but it is interesting. When he was complaining about the crowd and the heat, I pointed out to him that these people have been waiting eight years for someone to care about their vote, so they were more than willing to stand in line a few minutes longer and let the officials certify their signatures on the caucus forms.

I think that was the best part of this for me today, seeing that my son is familiar with the process, that he gets something more visceral than a classroom discussion.

I consider this remark entirely appropriate for the MOAB thread, by the way. We are talking politics, after all. It is a powerful component (at least it is something to be understood in the context of Dubya's operation, though he fouled the place so much his BS is bound for the toxic waste dump, not the compost.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 11:27 PM

Oh yeah!!! Isn't he great? The "Negotiator". No one can resist his powers of persuasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 10:45 PM

This one's for you, Little Hawk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 10:42 PM

Rampant self-justification, sirrah. Had I but I half ogf your lack of wit, I could be President Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 10:24 PM

Perhaps, dear friend, that Rapaire knew full well what he did and decided, in his modesty, not to make a fuss over it as some that he could mention would. That "perhaps" would be the truth.

As for the insults thread, you will find that I have posted there, mostly recently in rhyme. But then you have managed very well to dodge the arrows of logic and erudition, and wisdom has failed to penetrate your armor of lackwit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 07:40 PM

Hah!! Rapaire posted 400 and never even claimed it. So sloppy. Asleep at the wheel. Hiding his ass under a bushel, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 06:51 PM

There are numerous scatological categories that describe that characteristic handsomely, Rapaire; you will find them all over on the insults thread, where you should go at once to read them and experience profound mortification of the soul.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 06:23 PM

That's not fair, Rapaire! I am facing financial ruin here over a matter of principle and you are denying reciprocity! Have you no shame? Have you no scruples? Does the Pope &^%@ in the woods?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 04:10 PM

Bucket? More like a sieve.

I do NOT retract or otherwise deny or disaffirm anything I have posted herein.

Whatcha think of them apples, hmmmmmmmm?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 03:44 PM

Hmmm.

Yes, we have a problem here. As you say, a considerable clerical staff would be required to complete the job...I estimate no less than fifty persons who can touch type...for a period of up to 10 weeks!

Gad. I may be facing personal bankruptcy here.

Chongo has flat out refused to help me out on this. He says that he's not so stupid as to invest good money in trying to empty the ocean with a bucket.

Dang. I'm up the creek.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 02:15 PM

Hmm. An admirable undertaking, sir, and offering proof positive you must indeed be an upstanding man, and of considerable means. I assume they have a minimum wage law in Canada? If so, you are clearly projecting an outlay on the order of hundreds of thousands, just to clear the air and remove any pollution to our gallant thread. Why, I am astonished at the generosity and affluence of your gesture.

If you have an opportunity, I would appreciate seeing the paystubs or some similar form of accounting. Just for personal titillation, you understand. Admirable, just admirable...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 02:03 PM

May I say, Amos, that you are an extremely fine fellow, a man beyond reproach. Indeed, had I a son I would name him after you. That is how much I admire you. All the insulting things I have said about you on this thread shall now be disavowed, and I intend to hire a number of people to go through my posts here and transfer all the insulting ones over to the Insult Thread forthwith.

You are the best, Amos. I can't believe I said those awful things about you. What could I have been thinking?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 01:58 PM

You know what they say:

Dyslexics, Untie!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 01:51 PM

Let be so written, let it be so done, if you can understand whatt was written. Here claim I now 22395. Bwahaha. Know all men by these presents, etc., etc..


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 01:12 PM

Let all isulnts ceese.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

OK, that's done. D'ye think Mom wants to go jogging or somp'n?



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 01:06 PM

OK, then, if you're gonna be that way, Ms. Sage, I'll show ya....I hereby RETRACT EVERYONE OF MY INSULTS to all the people on this thread whomsoever they may be now, and replace them by implication with kind, admiring remarks of friendship. I further include ALL said insulting remarks by reference into the thread for insulting people.

Didja notice how Mom seems to have siddenly lost a lot of weight? Must be her diet, huh?



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 12:47 PM

Seems a waste of space to have started a new thread for insulting people.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 12:12 PM

AH, there's the answer I was looking for.

Fie on you, Superior Being soi-disant. I claim 22390 in despite of all your rancorous, overblown pretensions of Magnitude!!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 11:28 AM

That's another reason I use Wordperfect and not Word...more and better fonts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 10:13 AM

Oh, thou worrisome madcap, stuff-gutted fool!! Loathsome fenestrating oaf, lackwit and clusterf*&*er, I did exactly the same thing. ANd I am using Windoes XP here, as well, with the same result.

So your snide superiority is based on unfounded claims,.

There is a technical reason you wot not of. I am sure you pay some one who could explain it, though.


Η πιθανή ασθένεια του εγκεφάλου μολύνει τα καθημερινά ξεσπάσματά σας.σας.


So there. I fixed it by inserting a SWAG font command.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 09:12 AM

Well, Amos, you could do it to if you used a GOOD computer. But they don't make Gateways anymore.

Or you could do what I do: copy and paste the Babelfish translation without doing anything special to it other than c&p.

Of course, I use Windows XP both at home and at work....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 11:58 PM

Well, the downlink is no problem, but getting those fillings to upload anything is a pure bear. She has to sit with her head in the oven and the radio tuned to WQXR and a hair-dryer running just to get the fields to resonate properly.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 11:27 PM

Of course there is content here! And contentment as well. :)

I'm on the phone to Earthlink. I've had a grindingly slow DSL connection for years (333k download/322 upload, about 1/5 of what I'm paying for). I seem to have snuck in for this service--the lines are so old SBC (now ATT) won't give the neighbors any DSL at all so they're stuck at 56K dialup. The Earthlink tech tested this line--he says it is running at 384. He's going to see if AT&T will fix it. If they do, all of us can get faster DSL.

A couple of weeks ago I set up the cable modem for the next door neighbor and even their slowest connection at 3M is awfully nice. I read the fine print at their web site and I could order cable Internet without their horrendous cable TV package but they charge $10 more than the special price if I do that. I can pay $5 a month and keep all of my earthlink email and between the two it still comes out $5 cheaper than my current slow connection. Decisions, decisions. I bet if Earthlink gets the phone in good order they'll offer a price break to keep me with them. That would be nice. I really hate the cable company, their customer service ranks lower than the IRS in their worst days.

I have satellite for the television and for the price I get about 250 channels and all of the Sirius radio compared to my ex on Charter who gets about 100 channels. Most of the channels are shit, but Charter offers a higher percentage of shit with it's channels than DishNetwork does. So I'd prefer to not pay the same for more shit. Know what I mean?

Of course MOM hasn't had this problem for years. Ever since that last filling was put in the lower right molar, she's gotten all of these channels 24/7. And people thought she was talking to herself. She was shouting at those stupid Ginsu knife commercials.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 10:06 PM

Oh yeh, and that too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 10:03 PM

LEt us hear from Rustic, I pray.

Rapaire what do you use to generate those damn fool characters δεν μπορούν να , etc., with upper ASCII codes in them?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:41 PM

And everyone was singin'

Hey, hey, you're a dud
It's so neat to roll your car into the Mississippi's mud.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:36 PM

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance for ever and a day....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:29 PM

I knew a guy had one of those cars.

He didn't set the brake and it rolled into the Mississippi. If you'd like it I can tell you right were it is (he's not in it). The car was only a year or so old at the time. Low mileage, too. The water's only about twenty or thirty feet deep and there's probably no more than the same depth of muddy bottom.

Amos δεν μπορούν να κάνουν την εργασία Babelfish επειδή παίρνει τη μεγάλη δυνατότητα να κάνει έτσι.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:19 PM

Please, please, please! a little respect and reverence for tradition and philanthropy here.

Alex Schoenbaum was the founder of Shoney's Big Boy, the 2nd franchise ever of Big Boy, and one of the few native West Virginians who not only made bunches of money,but also contributed some of that money for the public good of the people of West Virginia, even after he got the hell out of Dodge and moved to Sarasota, Florida.

Once a year, whether I am hungry or not, I order and eat a Big Boy platter complete with fries slathered in catsup, and coleslaw as a memorial act, not only to Mr. Schoenbaum, but to the memory of cruising through the Shoney's Big Boy Drive-in in St. Albans nearly every night one sweet summer in my boyfriend's perfect, completely stock, 1956 Bel Air.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 07:25 PM

Sodom and begorrah.

Stilly, you were right. There IS content on this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 07:24 PM

OK. Listen up. I'm gonna say this once:


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM

Funny -- it was Babelfish's version of the Greek alphabet. Hmmmm. I should probably include a font command if I am gonna pull that shit.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 07:21 PM

Maybe it was an utterance from the mouth of someone who had just eaten a Bob's Big Boy Burger. Gibberish.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 03:14 PM

Because your next-to-last post was in either Lemurian or Linear A.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 12:00 PM

Why ever should I do such a thing?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 11:06 AM

Great, great. Now translate that into Swahili, and then back to English.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 10:20 AM

Τον αφήστε που είναι χωρίς αμαρτία μεταξύ σας, πετά την πρώτη πέτρα.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 10:15 AM

How come Hawaii has Bob's Big Boys and Texas doesn't? (I thought we did, at one time. Maybe Bob went on a diet.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:31 AM

I am delighted to see it was just local economics that drove the Balboa Avenue branch out of business. I miss the ten-foot tall statue of the fat boy with the hamburger.


A


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