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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Amos 13 Aug 11 - 02:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 02:25 PM

WHat was it you "knew what to do"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 02:01 PM

I am comfortable with black bears because I know them. Been up against a half dozen nasty ones and never had to kill one. Once, I was without a gun but I was lucky that I was fishing at a beaver dam and I knew what to do. Another such scenario was along a brook and I was being stalked. Yet again, I was lucky becasue I found a meadow and knew what to do. Never saw the bear and it never saw me. But, after that encounter, when the new laws were enacted about being able to carry all year round, except for Sundays and during the 3 day moose season, I carried at all times if I was alone.

Now, a brown or a grizzly or A kodiak? I am thinkin rocket launcher. Although, grenades would make moosin thru the bush easier.

Hehehehe... I just recalled. Saw a nature movie when I was a lad. There's a kodiak diggin after hogs and they make a big deal about two guys carryin the big gun to the shooter and the shooter firing and being knocked down the hill by the recoil. The next thing ya see is the kodiak scratchin his arse and goin back ta diggin. Like I said... rocket launcher eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 01:59 PM

That would be an unbearable mess. But it is always better to mess with a bear than to be messed by one.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 01:42 PM

Well, I don't care if you mess with a bear but you should really consider those who have to clean up afterwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 11:05 PM

I will do my utmost NEVER to mess with any bear, Rap. I was just sayn' if I had no other choice left...then I would shoot. The firing a shot into the ground sounds like reasonable first attempt. I'd try it once and see if it worked. After that.....I'd aim at the bear.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 09:24 PM

Use a .22 and shoot in the ground in front of the bear. The sudden noise might well drive the critter off, assuming that it's a real charge AND you haven't done something like get between a mother and her cubs. Better still, invest in a can of bear mace and learn to use it.

Back around 1960 a woman in Kodiak, Alaska shot and killed a 12-foot-tall Alaskan Brown Bear with one shot from a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol. The bear was going for her cubs and she shot it in the eye, managing to kill it instantly. Regardless, this is NOT recommended, nope, not at all. In fact, I strongly urge you not to mess with any sort of bear except the teddy.

I'm off to the Sho-Ban Powwow tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 08:32 PM

Yup, I'm well acquainted with points 1 through 9, Rap. Just wondered about the sighting thing with the eyes, that's all. I always assume every gun might be loaded, just in case...no matter what...and I check carefully first to see if it is. There isn't anything I normally want to shoot...other than some kind of artificial target. If a bear decided to charge me, though, then I would shoot in self-defense if I had an appropriate weapon in my hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 07:23 PM

Close one eye. The other eye is dominant.

I don't see that it matters all that much. If having one eye closed helps you by reducing distractions, do it that way. If you want more peripheral vision leave 'em both open. Sight alignment, breath control, and trigger control are what's important. Oh, yeah -- if you don't load the weapon it won't go bang so that's kinda important too.

But if you go shooting, PLEASE:

1. Treat every gun as if it were a loaded gun until YOU PERSONALLY have proven otherwise.

2. Are dead certain that what you think is your target IS what you want to shoot.

3. Know where the bullet is going to go if you miss (a high dirt bank is good).

4. Don't mix alcohol and gunpowder. For one thing, your powder gets wet and won't hardly go off.

5. Be certain that the ammunition you are going to use is for your shootin' iron. Nothing quite like putting a 20 gauge shell down a 12 gauge barrel and trying to shoot it out with a 12 gauge shell...you'll make lots of work for the undertaker.

6. Be sure your shootin' iron is in good condition and will accommodate the ammo you're using. For a real blast, load a pre-1900 damascus barrel shotgun with a modern shotshell, or a pistol made for black powder cartridges with some using smokeless powder. Check to make sure the barrel is clear of obstructions, too -- like mud or a cleaning patch or gnu's old cigar butt.

7. Never shoot at water or a hard flat surface, 'cause it'll riccochet sure'n hell.

8. If you don't know, ask someone who does or better, go find out yourself before you do something stupid.

9. THERE ARE NO "ACCIDENTS" WITH FIREARMS. THERE IS ONLY CARELESSNESS. Never forget that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 07:07 PM

Scope, yes, to an extent. Iron sights, no. Shotgun is a different matter depending on the field of fire. Master eye discussion aside.

Now, scope... that depends on the circumstances... often, both eyes open until the right moment.

Of course, I defer to the expert in any case.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 06:35 PM

Got a question for you, Rap. Is it true that you should keep both eyes open when sighting a rifle? I've seen a lot of people squinting shut their left eye while they sight with their right eye (or vice versa). Then I heard somewhere that there's no reason to do that, and you keep both eyes open and just relax the eye you're not sighting with. I presume a right-handed person sights with the right eye normally? That's the way I always did it, but I did deliberately shut the left eye while sighting. I'm just wondering if I was doing it the right way, so I'm asking an expert.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 05:02 PM

BBW agrees with your friendly suggestion, Rapp.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 04:44 PM

Well, shoot.

It has been so many years since I handled a little .22 rifle I can't remember much about it, except that it took them a while to realize that I was shooting right handed but viewing the scope/sight thingie with my left eye so it's lucky I hit anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 04:12 PM

gnu, I got a box of CIL .22 long rifles. What're they worth to ya? Full box of 50, or 46 in metric.

Kinda reminds me of the time my youngest brother was courtin' the lady he married. They were out with some other friends target shootin' and his gal friend got pretty good with a .357 shooting .38 specials for somebody brought up in Chicago and who hadn't ever fired a gun aforen that. So they loaded up the first five rounds as .38s and the last as a .357 magnum. She outshot both of 'em and remarked when she'd emptied the cylinder "I think that last one had more powder in it or something." You never seen two guys look sicker than when she said that, in all innocence.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:09 PM

A... hope yer bud does better'n Prudence.

Rap... great story!

Now. 250 grains flyin at 960 fps muzzle... I don't need to do the ARITHMETICS, although I could cuz I are a ingunear and I larnt that stuff before I even went away to become one, to know that there ain't gonna kick.

Minds me a the time my Bro left his fancy Browning o/u unattended. I changed out his el cheapo Crappy Tire low brass (I use that term but they looked like tin) load in the top barrel with a CIL Special Long Range Dynawad #4. Ya shoulda seen the look on Bro's face when he fired at a big birch cock.

Them CILs were good shells. When I used to hunt birds with my $300, second hand Russian made o/u full/modified with #6s I could knock em left and right at distance and clean em fer the pot short range. Them Ruskies KNOW how to injunear a shotgun. And Cunucks know how to injunear a shell. But, some rich buncha Yanks bought out the Canucks and now the best we can store buy here is yer Winchester crap. Oh, it's okay but ya can't cut down trees with the over so as ya can knock birds with the lower.

I actually did that once by mistake. Took about two feet off a pine and got the partridge with the bottom barrel. Ya shoulda seen the look on Bro's face.

Now... yer brookies got scales??? What fer? Weighin fellahs what they catch?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 10:04 AM

Rapp:

Thanks for the thoughtful suggestion. I take back all the snarky remarks I ever made about you.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:36 AM

He looks like an amazing and kind man. Good thoughts to him, and to you.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:30 PM

Amos, get him a big teddy bear or another large, soft doll. He'll need it to hold tightly to his chest when he coughs -- and he'll be encouraged to cough. The teddy bear (or a pillow) really does help with the pain. My brother, who had nine bypasses, swears to this and he hasn't lied to me very much recently.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 08:36 PM

Warn't nothin' killed, Amos, 'ceptin' Pick almost wuz trout food. That ol' trout had scales that'd stop a cannon shell. Folks out this way are peaceful, and them that ain't become so cuz of the pure air, the clear mountain streams, and the generally healthy way of livin'. Why, Tillie Petersen's 90 and rides her bicycle everywhere. The other day she heard her sister, Prudence, was in the hospital in Salt Lake City and ready to cash in her chips. So Tillie hopped on her bicycle and made it to SLC and the hospital in a little under three hours. When she got there her sister was breathin' her last and askin' Tillie if the air was still as pure and all as it ever was. Ol' Tillie, she run down the stairs, took the back wheel offen her bike, ran back up and gave Prudence a shot of good ol' Idaho mountain air from the inner tube. Prudence jumped outa bed, yanked out all the tubes and stuff, put on her clothes, and raced Tillie back to Pocatello, Tillie on her bike and Prudence on foot, and Prudence won because of the low tire pressure in Tillie's rear tire. Doc says Prudence is good for another eighty or so years if she cuts down on her drinking just a little bit, but she can keep smoking them cigars she likes so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 08:29 PM

My gay artist friend Bob Simpson has just been whisked off to Scripps for congestive heart failure resulting in a quad bypass--external pacemaker, tubes into a heart-lung machine, stop the heart, crack open the sternum and rib cage and replace the valves and tubes of the heart with bits and pieces from elsewhere. He's holding his own now, but it was touch and go for a while there. Gahhhh. Whoever wrote this script needs to seriously rework the third act.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 08:09 PM

That was very romantic, Amos. I'm sure Daley appreciated it.

Don't shoot when you're loaded up on vodka and metamucil, Rapparee. Bad accidents can happen that way!

My ex-husband just had a tooth pulled and needs about 31 more done. Poor guy. I mentioned Tiajuana to him, but he just groaned and moved the ice pack to a more comfortable position.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 08:05 PM

ANything in a pinch, as long as it kills something.

MEanwhile, in the high meadows at the treeline high above the sleepy city of Dormant, Idaho, the last of the snow melt has seeped into the deep root-systems, and the summer sun has warmed the soil far under the dried grasses. Awakened by their mysterious chemical clocks, a thousand thousand daffodils and myrtle buds begin pushing upward, seeking to rejoice in the sun. Down in Dormant, the powers-that-be sleep on, unaware of the miracles unfolding around them as they snore.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 07:35 PM

You've never heard of shooting fish in a barrel? Well, out here the trout grow sooooooooooooooo big that you gotta shoot 'em. Just a week ago Pick Simmons was swallowed whole by a brookie he'd landed on 5 lb. test line. Poor ol' Pick, who's 6 feet 6 inches tall, went down head first in one gulp. Woulda been the last of him, 'cause the fish was rollin' back into the water and had already spit out Pick's shoes, when a depiddy sheriff happened to see what was happenin' and shot the fish with a 12 gauge. Surprised the fish so much that it spit Pick out, rolled into the water unhurt, and left nothin' behind but the slime on Pick. Nobody even noticed that until Pick had been in the sun awhile and the odor started, and it was a half hour or more before they were sure it was from the fish and not Pick's natural odor.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 07:26 PM

First you're talking about trout, then you're talking about guns. Are you shooting fish, Rap? Or shooting the breeze?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 06:47 PM

Pistol cartridge in a rifle. 250 grain lead bullet moving at no more than 960 fps. Rifle weighs about 6 pounds. Low velocity + decent rifle mass = low recoil, pushed in a straight line back to your shoulder. It would have enough potential and kinetic energy to bring down a deer at 200 yards. You can do math, at least a little bit. Amos can help you with the tough spots, like adding.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 04:53 PM

Rap... "It kicks about as much as the lightweight .22 single shot..."

Soooo, how could old men like you and me carry it all day in country? The sucker must weigh near pounds if it kicks like a feather. Bull barrel or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 04:47 PM

I'm practicing for cooking at Getaway.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:49 AM

At last, a change in diet for Mom. Can't say "for the better" but, hey, it's a start.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:33 AM

Poor Mom. No one else cares. Here's a nice breakfast of pulpo, kimchi, freshly-made mokli, amaranth biscuits and some nice fresh lard to spread on them. And you must try the muktuk -- it's well aged now.

(Betcha Amos can't say I've every made THAT breakfast before for anyone.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 11:35 PM

For a real neat trick, mix someone a drink of 50/50 Tang and Metamucal. Or vodka and Metamucal.

I just got back from the shooting range where I fired my new cannon: a .45 Colt (Long Colt) single-shot rifle. It kicks about as much as the lightweight .22 single shot, it's accurate enough with the sights it came with, and costs about USD 0.62 per shot. It breaks open like a shotgun and you have to pull the hammer back to cock and shoot it. At that price I shan't be shooting it just for kicks.

Tomorrow afternoon I believe I shall go fishing. The 34+ pound rainbow trout that was recently caught around here inspires me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 08:39 PM

WHatever program you use, try to stay regular, won't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 06:47 PM

"Now back to my regular programming."

I agree. I shall try to only post regarding "MY topic" in future if I have sommat comedic to post.

Thanks again all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 05:26 PM

I can make all sorts of suggestions, like wearing clothes made of nitrocellulose (this can really be done). But instead making light of the problem (I did not intend that pun!) I'd like you to remember that a bunch of people out here in Never-Never Land actually do support you in your fight. Now back to my regular programming.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:25 PM

My Mom quit cold turkey after they put in dacron arteries from her abdomen to her thighs and told her if she didn't quit she'd lose her legs. She was always in denial about her smoking and very defensive, even though we all hated it.

Preserve your health and friendships, just stop.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:12 PM

True. The real battle is within. One could dramatize it, though, by acting out the battle with the cigarette. That's what the fellow did whom I was speaking of.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:06 PM

The battle is not really with the cigarette, which is a passive thing. It is with the cells in brain and gut which scream to refill the nicotine level and threaten to make you stupid and dull witted beyond all recognition if you do not hasten to obey. :D


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM

Righto. I understand.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 03:46 PM

Good approach LH. But, after 40 years, two packs a day for a while trying to keep myself afloat in a VERY stressful career, I dunno if I am gonna go with ONLY that. It will be a part of it, but I wanna be well armed in this fight... that's why I took the course. And, I have learned tools to help me. Now, as A said, there sre some "tools" I could do without but there it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 03:30 PM

Have you tried the approach of looking at the cigarette and saying: "Who's stronger? You or me?" If you're stronger, then you don't smoke the cigarette. I knew a guy who managed to quit them in that fashion, and he did it by being stronger than the cigarette each succeeding time that he asked the question...which took awhile...but eventually he didn't have to ask it any longer, and he was done with smoking at that point.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 01:21 PM

Thanks for the advice and support. It IS appreciated.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 12:35 PM

I told my dear wife that this was how I felt about her, except that she was not a horse, as far as I knew.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 09:55 AM

Gnu:

TO hell with all that psychobabble from the nerds on course. Buy yourself a bunch of Nicorettes 4 mg tablets and suck on one when you want a smoke. It works for me. After a month you can cut down to 2mg tablets. Eventually you're free of the nicotine demand system, or you can just suck those things for about the same price as the cigs. You'll feel much better for the extra oxygen in your system.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 09:38 AM

In another 101 years, my great-grandchildren will say something like, "Can you believe how much time Great-grandmother Eiseley had to spend typing into a computer in order to post something to MOM? Life was so much harder back then!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 09:37 AM

Eiseley recommends you smoke dope. The Idaho Legion feels that smoking of anything is bad for your health and doesn't recommend it. In fact, smoking is banned in the Legion Hovel now, ever since Seegar Stan ran out of seegars and decided to smoke a salmon. Fish wasn't even dead yet when he lit up. I leave the results to your imagination, but will say that the odor persisted for weeks. The salmon odor hung around too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 09:34 AM

The dogs have a remarkable range of messages delivered in their barks.

Not what I was looking for, but it will work.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 09:33 AM

IT has been only 101 years since the patent for an electrically powered washing machine was first issued. How things have changed!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 12:07 AM

Good luck with the stop-smoking plan, gnu. Maybe switching to something other than tobacco would make the dog situation more bearable.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 11:18 PM

Dogs generally feel that they have something important to say, and if saying it once is good, then saying it 10,000 times is a whole lot better!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 09:44 PM

I'm lucky my neighbors don't comment often about the dogs barking. Their bedrooms are on the front of their houses and my dogs are out back. I have on occasion shouted at the dogs out of the back bathroom window to "GO TO BED." And even if they don't go into their stall in the garage that is officially "bed," at least they shut up. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 09:10 PM

Throw pepper at your neighbor's dog
And beat him when he sneezes.
He only does it to annoy
Because he knows it'll really, really piss you off.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 09:06 PM

A... you troll me. I would never kill a dog unless it should be taken out.. and that is seldom the case.

I was just tryin to make light of the situation. I assume you are as well.


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