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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Amos 25 Mar 11 - 11:29 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 11:29 AM

Your generosity is exceeded only by the profundity of your impenetrability, sir. The Mother of All BS is blessed indeed to count you among her own.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 09:07 AM

If you don't like that one, I suggest RFC 2460, from which the following is extracted:

   A flow is a sequence of packets sent from a particular source to a particular (unicast or multicast) destination for which the source desires special handling by the intervening routers. The nature of that special handling might be conveyed to the routers by a control protocol, such as a resource reservation protocol, or by information within the flow's packets themselves, e.g., in a hop-by-hop option. The details of such control protocols or options are beyond the scope of this document.

   There may be multiple active flows from a source to a destination, as well as traffic that is not associated with any flow. A flow is   uniquely identified by the combination of a source address and a    non-zero flow label. Packets that do not belong to a flow carry a    flow label of zero.

   A flow label is assigned to a flow by the flow's source node. New flow labels must be chosen (pseudo-)randomly and uniformly from the   range 1 to FFFFF hex. The purpose of the random allocation is to    make any set of bits within the Flow Label field suitable for use as a hash key by routers, for looking up the state associated with the   flow.

   All packets belonging to the same flow must be sent with the same
source address, destination address, and flow label. If any of those
packets includes a Hop-by-Hop Options header, then they all must be
originated with the same Hop-by-Hop Options header contents (excluding the Next Header field of the Hop-by-Hop Options header).   If any of those packets includes a Routing header, then they all must
be originated with the same contents in all extension headers up to
and including the Routing header (excluding the Next Header field in
the Routing header). The routers or destinations are permitted, but
not required, to verify that these conditions are satisfied. If a
violation is detected, it should be reported to the source by an ICMP
Parameter Problem message, Code 0, pointing to the high-order octet
of the Flow Label field (i.e., offset 1 within the IPv6 packet).

   The maximum lifetime of any flow-handling state established along a
flow's path must be specified as part of the description of the
state-establishment mechanism, e.g., the resource reservation
protocol or the flow-setup hop-by-hop option. A source must not re- use a flow label for a new flow within the maximum lifetime of any   flow-handling state that might have been established for the prior
use of that flow label.

   When a node stops and restarts (e.g., as a result of a "crash"), it
must be careful not to use a flow label that it might have used for
an earlier flow whose lifetime may not have expired yet. This may be
accomplished by recording flow label usage on stable storage so that
it can be remembered across crashes, or by refraining from using any
flow labels until the maximum lifetime of any possible previously
established flows has expired. If the minimum time for rebooting the
node is known, that time can be deducted from the necessary waiting
period before starting to allocate flow labels.


This, of course, refers to IPv6 and not IPv4.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 10:12 PM

Your suggestion will be reviewed by the appropriate managerial gate-keepers, sir, and you will be advised of any major, minor or action-item comments made in due course. You may look for an answer in the third quarter, 2015, barring unforeseen delays.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:47 PM

Gee, I used to read stuff like this for a living (from RFC 1217, by V. Cerf et al.):

(d) Recursive Self-encapsulation. Since it is self-evident that
          layered communication is a GOOD THING, more layers
          must be better. It is proposed to recursively encapsulate
          each of the 7 layers of OSI, yielding a 49 layer
          communications model. The redundancy and
          retransmission and flow control achieved by this means
          should produce an extremely low bandwidth system if,
          indeed, any information can be transmitted at all. It is
          proposed that the top level application layer utilize ASN.1
          encoded in a 32 bit per character set.

    (e) Scaling. The initial M1A1 tank basis for the land mobile
          communication system can be improved. It is proposed to
          reduce the effective data rate further by replacing the
          tanks with shuttle launch vehicles. The only slower method
          of signalling might be the use of cars on any freeway in the
          Los Angeles area.

    (f) Network Management. It is proposed to adopt the Slow
          Network Management Protocol (SNMP) as a standard for
          ULSNET. All standard Management Information Base
          variables will be specified in Serbo-Croatian and all
          computations carried-out in reverse-Polish.


This really IS an important document and I suggest every read it in its entirety.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 02:03 PM

I am VERY glad of it, Amos! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 01:57 PM

Rapp:

Only for non-orthogonal but complete spaces.

LH:

Just be glad you don't have to read shit like that for a living.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 01:19 PM

As usual, Amos, you have set about assaulting a gnat with a gatling gun. ;-) Impressive. But a trifle excessive, don't you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 12:39 PM

Do that stuff work in multidimensional geometry too as well?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 12:10 PM

HEre, LH, this may help make it easier:

Two equivalence relations between geometric figures were used: congruence and similarity. Translations, rotations and reflections transform a figure into congruent figures; homotheties ? into similar figures. For example, all circles are mutually similar, but ellipses are not similar to circles. A third equivalence relation, introduced by projective geometry (Gaspard Monge, 1795), corresponds to projective transformations. Not only ellipses but also parabolas and hyperbolas turn into circles under appropriate projective transformations; they all are projectively equivalent figures.

The relation between the two geometries, Euclidean and projective,[4] shows that mathematical objects are not given to us with their structure.[5] Rather, each mathematical theory describes its objects by some of their properties, precisely those that are put as axioms at the foundations of the theory.[6]

Distances and angles are never mentioned in the axioms of the projective geometry and therefore cannot appear in its theorems. The question "what is the sum of the three angles of a triangle" is meaningful in the Euclidean geometry but meaningless in the projective geometry.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:15 AM

LH, you calculating Canuck! You know them calculations only work in base 10! Ya gotta do the same things in something like base 7 too. And be able to post the value of pi backwards without a mistake and then multiply it by 2, but in hexadecimal.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 01:24 AM

I tried to do something on a large scalwe once, but it jumped off and scuttled off into the underbrush.

I haven't seen one since. They're quite rare, those scalwes, so you never forget it when you do see one. Sort of like a cross between a crab and an armadillo, but with a fair bit of hair on them too.

Well, it is now tomorrow! So I am going to calculate. Ahem!

1 plus 3 equals 4! 2 minus 9 equals minus seven! 3 times 144 equals 432!

I have now satisfied all of Amos's conditions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 12:27 AM

There is a regional office of the National Archives a few blocks from my house. If you decide to visit down here, let me know and I'll leave town in a hurry I'll air out the guest room. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 10:35 PM

Some people know how to do BS on a large scalwe:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. — Indiana University's underwater archaeology program is getting a $1 million grant from the Eli Lilly & Co. Foundation.

The Herald-Times reports Wednesday the grant will go to The Children's Museum of Indianapolis to support expeditions to the Dominican Republic led by Indiana underwater archaeologist Charles Beeker.

The award and partnership with the Bloomington university will allow The Children's Museum to feature a 310-year-old cannon recovered by Beeker from Captain Kidd's ship, the Cara Merchant.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 09:45 PM

Oh!! I thought you were a candidate for Archiving, not a candidate archivist!

Good on you; it must be like going to Mecca! Mecca one mistake and you-a a dead man!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 08:13 PM

Well, I am now a fully certified researcher at the National Archives. Got my Real Researcher Card and everything! Even a Magic Real Researcher Magic Decoder Ring. Sure is cool to be a Real Researcher. Betcha Amos would like to be a Real Researcher, but you have to meet Special Requirements to be one -- they don't let every Tom, Dick and Amos become Real Researchers. For one thing, you have to be at least 14 years old and you also have to be able to read and write. And, taking all the fun out of it, the National Archives won't let you just wander around in the stacks looking at stuff -- you have to ask exactly for what you want and that means you have to know how to find out what you want to know and THAT means you have to be a Real Researcher. They limit what you can bring in, too: no guns, no pens, any paper has to be approved by them (or you can use the stuff they supply), no knives, no explosives -- shucks, if the library in Pocatello was run that way there wouldn't be anyone using it. But they do let you bring in your own computer, flatbed scanner, and computer accessories. No candy, no liquids of any kind...if they weren't nice they'd be mean old librarians instead of modern archivists.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 08:09 PM

Yesterday I read.

Today I write!

Tomorrow, I shall calculate.

(for the benefit of Amos)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 01:48 PM

I believe so, a second cousin, twice removed.

Star Trek sex was subtle, but relatively plentiful if you paid attention to the signals. Rape, also, alas. Who Mourns for Adonis.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 12:41 PM

SAN DIEGO -- Lifeguards rescued a naked female stuck on a cliff above Black's Beach Tuesday afternoon.

According to Lt. Andy Lerum of San Diego Lifeguard Services, crews responded to a call shortly after 2 p.m. regarding a woman stranded on part of a 450-foot tall cliff below the Torrey Pines Glider Port.

Lerum said they did know why or how the woman ended up on the cliff. Authorities did not elaborate why the woman was without clothing.

I hope this wasn't one of the sibs, was it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 12:28 PM

Candidacy?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 08:03 AM

GOOD morning, everyone! I'm off to the National Archives today! Whee! Joy! And I have a REAL REASON to go!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:16 PM

William Shatner is too really, really smart, like this proves!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:08 PM

I'm glad you are, Eiseley. I have been cleaning up a lot of punctuation and minor typos for which you have my apologies. It is very brave of you to slog through it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:19 PM

Way to go, Amos! I'm still reading Beyond the Cascade.

AAAAACK! William Shatner in the library!

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:55 PM

Little Hawk, review the fundamentals. FIRST Read, THEN Rite. THEN 'rithmetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:35 PM

I have not blessed you with my eloquence in awhile now.

Are you all making out okay? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:29 PM

Like a warm glass of roast-beef gravy and sea-salt, shaen, not stirred...

Hey MOM!! Beyond the Cascade just made the quarter-finals in the Amazon Breakthrough Novel Award contest.

Oh my gawd, I can't stand it!


:D

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 05:11 PM

Humph. Best way to lose weight is simply to make up your mind to do it! You don't need no fancy diets or stuff. Just good old-fashioned will power. Why, look at me! I've been willing the weight off for a long time now. And I've made up my mind to do it, too. I'm willing to drop a bunch of pounds. Yessir. No fancy diets for THIS boy. I'm just waiting for them pounds to melt away like a pound of butter on a hot loaf of bread or like...excuse me, I'm hungry now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 03:51 PM

Salt... nay, nay, nay. Salt helps you absorb calories from various foods. Resign yourself to the fact that you only use salt on certain treats that warrant salt as an extra treat. EG, tonight, for the first time in weeks, I am gonna celebrate my recent milestone with as much sirloin tip beef steak as I can eat (not near as much as I used to eat at a sitting because eating every two hours lowers your intake so it takes much less to feel full) and I will not hold back on the salt and pepper. And, very important, due to the extra salt, I will drink lots of water... although there may be additives.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 12:19 PM

yup - slow and steady -
my problem is I crave greasy salty high carb stuff - everything I shouldn't have. I like the foods I am eating - I just like the bad stuff more.

BUT - MOM - you will be proud of this; I had a dr. appointment right before Turkey day - and one right after New Year's = and managed to lose 5 lbs even with the three holidays during those 6 weeks!!!!!!

That alone is/was encouragement.

Lots of fish - lots of salad - roasted veggies of various sorts....non fat greek yohgurt...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:03 AM

I drank champagne from your bier, tra-la-la
I ended up feeling quite weird, tra-la-la
For I never knew, as I lifted that cup
It had taken ten gallons to half-fill it up!


With profuse, profound, quivering and sweating apologies to Mister Leherer.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:01 AM

Adios to Pinetop Perkins, boogie-woogie king.

Hey, Mom!! Howahya?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:07 PM

Gee, I'm at the Bavarian Inn in Sheperdstown, WV. I just had a lovely dinner of sour batten, rotten kraut, and something that looked like a potato but was really some sort of dumpling or something. I drank a mug of bier, too, although I have no idea of how you get drink out of a bier and I'm not sure I want to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:33 PM

MMario... stick to it. It's tough but one of the things that worked for me BIG TIME was accepting that it was gonna take BIG TIME and that I had to be satisfied with slow weight loss. Fast weight loss is not healthy and seldom permanent. It may work if you wanna lose 5 or 10 pounds but it it still doesn't do the body any good.

My goal was to AVERAGE 1/2 pound per week. It worked because it was a reasonable goal. I think that is why I exceeded the average goal overall. And I was never hungry... heck, I did some things that would drive Oprah nuts... like eat two large bowls of ice cream for supper after eating only raw veggies all day (not too often).

I am thinking of a diet book with the details... "The gnu Diet"... and it will be quite thin (yes) as it needent be too verbose to convey the basics.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 02:48 PM

LEt them eat all they want and then go run with Gluon--he'll show 'em how to sublimate that cholesterol into muons, bosons, and anti-matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 01:00 PM

You're making good progress, guys! I need to get into shape also. The garden work goes a way toward that, and I think I'm eating a healthier diet now. No sugar to speak of, and I need to work on portion control. Cooking for one means there is still more than I need for a couple of meals. It's that "I'll just eat it instead of putting it in a tiny box in the fridge" that I have to stop.

MOM sez to give it to the dogs, but I don't need fat dogs, either!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:26 AM

gnu:

I will be celebrating when I get DOWN to 285 - haven't seen that since shortly after college.

Currently working my way down from 377....which was the official weight in August of last year....I've dropped 39 lbs as of March 3.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 10:50 AM

Actually I had no idea Eiseley's son was becoming a librarian. From your description of the practice, I assumed you had a long and shameful career of indulging in it. You. Not Eiseley, not her sons, not your brothers or cousins or spouse. You, yourself, the Twisted Rapparree.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:35 AM

Amos! Are you accusing Eiseley's young son of a twisted, perverted practice committed primarily is Californian closets? Librarians have to deal equitably with all sorts of information, even that which Unspeakably Abhorrent to their sensibilities and offends them to the point of both physical and spiritual nausea. And you DARE accuse Eiseley's young son of such a thing, and by extension Eiseley herself for permitting it!

Have you no shame, sirrah? Has SoCal so destroyed your sense of right and wrong, so warped and twisted your ethics and morals, so degraded you, that you now wallow in a muck so deep that you accuse an innocent young child of Californian decadence?

If so, come visit Pocatello. The town could use a little of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 10:25 PM

It sounds like a perverted closet practice known only to a small circle of twisted librarians...

Congrats, Gnuser!! That's a real accomplishment!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:22 PM

Good job, Gnu!

Piping Hot Pigs - sounds like a band name or a Scottish dish.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:12 PM

BTW... 189.4# today. Been close to two years to take off the weight. I was 285#. But I carried it well... until I turned 50. Then it got to be a drag. A really heavy drag.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:59 PM

Piping hot curry? No thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:37 PM

That situation could turn piping hot in a hurry...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM

Yes, indeed I do. My brother always wanted to play bagpipes and he was the one who discovered the trick of using a baby pig. You turn it upside down so its feet resemble the pipes, and you can raise the tone if it's a boar...I leave the how-to to your imagination.

Of course, my mother put a sudden stop to his piping ambitions....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 01:17 PM

LOL!! What a wonderful image; as in all such pronouncements, I am sure the Great Rapp speaks from personal experience. Poor pig.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:34 AM

You don't get "somewhat better" on bagpipes. You can go from "godawful" to "almost bearable" but that's like the temperature going from -40 to -38. You can get the same effect as bagpipes by putting a baby pig under your arm and biting its tail.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 01:36 AM

You should all come to visit us! Please do!

I took my middle son to a bagpipe concert for his birthday (his request). It was loud, but good. Tom is the youngest participant in his group bagpipe lessons, and although he is still just using his practice chanter, he's diligent with practicing and is getting somewhat better.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 10:11 PM

MOM, I poured a bunch of beer in small bowls in the garden tonight, hoping to begin trapping those pesky snails that gnaw on my seedlings. The gardener had a little beer also - salud!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 10:02 PM

Mom should know this:

Historically, tonnage was the tax on tuns (casks) of wine that held approximately 252 gallons of wine and weighed approximately 2,240 pounds. This suggests that the unit of weight measurement, long tons (also 2,240 lb) and tonnage both share the same etymology. The confusion between weight based terms (deadweight and displacement) stems from this common source and the eventual decision to assess dues based on a ship's deadweight rather than counting the tuns of wine. In 1720 the Builder's Old Measurement Rule was adopted to estimate deadweight from the length of keel and maximum breadth or beam of a ship. This overly simplistic system was replaced by the Moorsom System in 1854 and calculated internal volume, not weight. This system evolved into the current set of internationally accepted rules and regulations.

When steamships came into being, they could carry less cargo, size for size, than sailing ships. As well as spaces taken up by boilers and steam engines, steamships carried extra fresh water for the boilers as well as coal for the engines. Thus, to move the same volume of cargo as a sailing ship, a steamship would be considerably larger than a sailing ship.

"Harbour Dues" are based on tonnage. In order to prevent steamships operating at a disadvantage, various tonnage calculations were established to minimise the disadvantage that the extra space requirements of steamships presented. Rather than charging by length or displacement etc, charges were calculated on the viable cargo space. As commercial cargo sailing ships are now largely extinct, Gross Tonnage is becoming the universal method of calculating ships dues, and is also a more straight-forward and transparent method of assessment.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:38 PM

Correspondence of the New York Gazette.

Washington, Jan. 20, 18S8.

The Senate did not sit to day. I found the House engaged in a discussion, during the morning hour of a resolution recommending lo the President to enter into a negotiation with Denmark for the adjustment of the claims on officers and crew of Commodore John Paul Junes squadron, on account of two British prizes sent into the port of Bergen, by Com. Jones, and by the Government of Denmark, released upon application of the British minister. For the benefit of my One who may be interested in this claim. I will mention that Com Jones took two valuable English merchantmen when he was on a cruise, in the year 1779. and sent them into the port of Bergen. The Danish Government gave them up to its ally. Great Britain, on The ground that the capture was piratical as the Americans were rebels against their Government. At this time, the independence of Ihe U. S. had not been recognized by any power but that of France. But I)r Franklin, who was our minister at Paris, communicated the fact to the Continental Congress, and was instructed to demand indemnity lor the outrage. In those early days, you see, we had as much indignation ready, as we have now—more, by a great deal, than we could turn out upon the occasion of the avowal of the Schlosser outrage. Dr. Franklin opened a negotiation with the Minister of Denmark at Paris, and it ended in an oli'er, on the part of Denmark, of an indemnity to the extent of ten thousand pounds. But the Doctor refused this, he having ascertained that Ihe ships had been insured in London at sixty thousand pounds. Congress passed another hot and flowing resolution on the subject, and sent John Paul Jones himself, as a special agent to Denmark, to "demand redress." This was just at the close of the war of our revolution, and such a step, at surli a time, shows that there existed a deep notional feeling, in relation lo the matter, which overbalanced any considerations of interest which might be connected with it.

Commodore Jones went to Denmark, and aftsr s. long negotiation, in which the Danish Government conceded Ihe principal of the liability* the final settlement of the question was, by mutual consent, transferred to the American ami Danish Ministers residing at Paris. But the American minister, Mr. Jefferson, had left Paris without doing any thing in the matter; anil, before his place- was filled by his successor, the French revolution ami its attendant wars broke off all diplomacy, except that which was carried on at the point of the bayonet. Thus was this pet claim of the Revolution dropped,and in the treaty ofours which followed, it was lost sight of. At length, when Gen. Jackson undertook to bring up all these old scores and to compromise them, he made a treaty of indemnity with Denmark. Some few of the old heroes, who participated with Jones in his hazards and perils and victories, yet lingered in the land, and they sent in their claims, supposing it to be secured under the treaty. The Commissioners replied to them that the treaty did not go so far bud;; that it was limited to certain claims growing out of spoliations during the wars of the French revolution.

(Excerpt from the Army and Navy Chronicle of a simpler time)


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