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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 01:46 PM

Hmmm. Okay, I think I'm at least partially getting the drift of what you're talking about, Amos. Let's start with this part...

"The confusions that cause solidification of beingness"

...meaning incarnation in a physical body, I presume? That limiting one's being to a particular frame in a particular time(line) and place?

"are rich territory for research and discovery"

Yes!

"but I am confident that the elements I mentioned are key among them"

Hmmm. So it is through Misownership and Misidentification that we become incarnated in physicality? Yes, I think I could give that some consideration. We are as strangers in a strange land here, aren't we? Cast down, as it were, into Earthly limitation when we could be roaming free through the Cosmos...and even beyond it.

"and that anyone suffering the yoke of persistent, non-elective attachment to a physical form is heir to them, amongst other woes."

Definitely! In the East they often assert that this entire existence is a form of Illusion, and they may be right. This, however, would call into question your previous assertion that "reality exists". Does it? Or does it just seem to exist? I'm not saying or implying that I have the answer to that...just asking the question.

"The first error is identification of self with some sort of object, such as Chongo."

Ah! Well, I don't identify myself with Chongo, so I'm not making that error. Chongo identifies himself with Chongo, I identify myself with myself. Chongo's existence derives from mine in some way, yes, just as a book's existence derives from its author's, but I do not in any way identify myself with Chongo. I see him as entirely different to me. I do, however, feel for him when he's in a difficult spot, since I am in a sense related to him. I could say that about many individuals I know.

My only errors of identification with self, I think, are those that pertain to my view of myself, not my view of Chongo. If, for example, I feel a lack of confidence in some aspect of my life, that is probably an error that sets me back in various ways.



The first error is identification of self with some sort of object, such as Chongo. :D


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 02:06 PM

Oops. Forgot to remove the last copy and paste (the final sentence in previous post).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 12:23 AM

That earlier ploy doesn't seem to have worked. And MOM, you're dragging around near the bottom-dwellers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 10:08 AM

When is Amos going to get up and answer my questions?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:03 PM

He's a Calleeforneeahn so I assume it will be when he feels like it. I just got here because I am a Herring Choker so I was enjoying the 60pcf snow removal. And it's to rain buckets and be 10C Saturday... a cruel joke and I ain't laughin Ol' Man.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:11 PM

Maggie Darlin' Dogg Jessup is now safe at home and smelling things like mad. She thinks the house is verrrrrry innerestin'! The back yard even more so. Wait 'til I take her to San Diego's Dog Beach and let her run free in the surf!! She'll go mad with joy. She seems very happy in her new circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:40 PM

That's a very nice and smart looking dog, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 08:59 PM

Hawkster:

Misownership includes buying into mental images that actually may belong to others, not one's own; identification of self with object includes personalities one has had handed to one, or taken on through overwhem, and the like. These are just examples. Misconceptions of time asnd location also figure heavily in forming persistant solidities of mind.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 09:58 PM

Has she peed in your guitar yet? She has to mark her territory, you know.

And she is a dead ringer for you! Obviously part of your family.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 11:15 PM

That sounds like the very basis behind excessive patriotism, political fanaticism, religious fanaticism, and a host of other human errors in judgement, Amos. Doesn't every government do its level best to inculcate that sort of thing in its citizens from early childhood onwards? I think everyone does what you're talking about, the only question is, to what extent? And with what result, positive or negative?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 10:46 AM

Governments are invested in control mechanisms, by their nature, once established.

There is a world of difference between knowing intentional adoption of an identity, freely taken on and discardable at will, and the kind of automatic identification of self with thing that is the core of gradual insanity. Consider the difference, for example, between "I am using a body " and "I am a body". Or, "I have and use the identity of Robert Jones" versus "I AM Robert Jones and cannot be otherwise".

It's a matter of gradually sliding from conscious exercise of will through degrees of automatic reasoning and stimulus-response mechanisms that obscure and debilitate the being behind the scenes. It pays to pay a little attention tot he man behind the curtain.

Rapp, Maggie is not the type to pee in a guitar. She's well mannered and even considerate, in her doggie way. She's a polite and welcome addition to the household. You should see her when she goes outside--her ears perk up and she sniffs everything madly. She's light on her feet and skedaddles forth into the world with a head full of alert curiousity. Indoors, she is more self-effacing and restrained.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:45 PM

Well said, Amos! I quite agree. Consider the difference between "I am a male human, only a male human being, and cannot ever be otherwise"...and "I am life itself, presently manifesting as a male human being, but that's only one small part of the possibilities inherent in what I truly am".

The vast majority of men I know have never even considered the 2nd of those outlooks, and would probably be afraid to. They think their condition of "maleness" is fixed and permanent. I don't see it that way at all. I see it as a temporary option my spirit has chosen for whatever reason. I see my present situation rather like playing a role in a dramatic play...until the play is done. I may play a very different role in the next play I take part in.

The way you describe Maggie, her delighted sense of "newness" about everything, I envy her. ;-) She must be having a marvelous time. People have that sense of newness in early childhood.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:38 PM

Why did you name the dog for SRS? Don't you think that's impolite? Or is it a gesture of praise that you named a wonderful dog for a wonderful person?

I always say, "I am the Creator of All and that's just the way it is, forever and ever, Amen*. And if you don't like it, tough toenails." You can disagree with that statement, but watch out for thunderbolts, etc.




*in Church Latin that "per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:46 PM

I disagree with that statement.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 06:43 PM

Okay, no problem. Watch out for thunderbolts and things. Maybe I'll punish you by changing you into Shame McBride.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 06:52 PM

Too late, Oh Micro Creator. He IS Shane McBride. He is also Chongo the Chimp, Bob Dylan, and Corridus the Hamster. He is terribly busy, as a result, and should not be interrupted wityh petty squabbles.

A

I would like to say I named Maggie after Stilly, but I did not--she came to me forenamed, foreheaded, and forewarned.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 07:00 PM

I AM the peril your mother warned you about when you were still in knee-socks, Amos! ;-)

Well, no, actually, I'm not that at all. Neither am I any of those others you mentioned, but they are creative offshoots of my imagination.

Let me explain it once again. Is Berkely Breathed Opus the Penguin? Is Walt Kelly Pogo? Is Mark Twain Huckleberry Finn AND Tom Sawyer AND Injun Joe?

No. It is you, Amos, who are confused. You are confusing authors with the fictional characters they have created, given life to, and put upon paper.

I am sure, were those authors here to speak in their own defense, that they would advise you of your error, just as I am doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 07:39 PM

Amos! Good on ya! Fine lookin mule! Can ya tell us some background on the dawg?

Seriously, she looks good in that pic... like a fine addition. I have seen many such older dogs brought into a new home when I would have not even let them be taken if I worked at the shelter. That sounds harsh, beyond callous, perhaps, but I know of which I speak. It's just the way it is.

I should add, even tho I claim to "know" dogs, I don't know much about Weener Dogs... they scare me on acounta all of them... ohhhh, I can't even try to say any of that trash talk... they are adorable. A loving dog is a joy, even if it can't climb stairs with a big dick. I commiserate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 10:03 PM

How is she getting on with Gluon?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 12:24 AM

Indoors, she is more self-effacing and restrained.

Two of mine are, but Zeke the chocolate lab doesn't have a restrained bone in his body. And I occasionally find his self effacing with food he steals off of counter tops.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 09:52 AM

She was a rewscue dog in Phoenix, saved from an abusive home and taken in by a foster-mom; from there she was adopted by my son and his then girlfriend, but when my son moved to LA and began full-time work, Maggie was left to languish for hours at the aprtment while he was at te office. So out of compassion he suggested I take her in; as I have always kinda wanted a dog, we agreed. I was raised with dogs in the family but haven't had one since I left home lo these almost fifty years past. She is part pointer, I think--she has that one-leg-up, nose-forward posture on reflex, and part Lab, I think from looking at her, with maybe a trace of Pit Bull or something.

Se is now the happy possessor of a shiny new California dog license tag.

She has a wicked keen nose and enjoys cataloguing all kinds of different spots where I detect nothing at all, but which are very distinct and significant to her doggy brain. It's interesting looking into the workings of a mind that has very little language but which is so much more sensitive to small movements, smells, and sometimes emotional velleities than I am. She's alovely companion. Yesterday she leatned to play catch. Today we buy a Frisbee and go to the wide open off-leash spaces at Dog Beach, where canines run free by the sea.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 10:37 AM

Seems kind of soon for the open dog area. Has she bonded with you enough to come when you call? Be sure to walk her every day, and have her "work" (the walk will do) before you feed her. Check out Cesar Milan's tips on how to be the pack leader. Everyone is more comfortable that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 12:48 PM

She was well trained when my son had her. She comes, sits, heel, stay, lie down, shake paws, and will hold food on her forehead until given permission to eat it.

News has just surfaced that the stories about Chinga, Chongo's sister, may have been grossly exagerrated. Chongo's ACTUAL sister was named Sarah Annabelle, and they enjoyed a perfectly normal childhood growing up. Dick and Jane all the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 02:27 PM

It also appears that Chongo's flight from his natal home was not just the precipitate irresponsibility I have been told it was, but a carefully debated Act of Congress imposed by the elected government of his people for reasons unknown.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 03:00 PM

I have good reason to doubt the story about Chonga and her/his sister, Amos. When I tried the link I wasn't allow to see it. Until I see the evidence my opinion remains the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 04:07 PM

I couldn't open that link either. Too bad.

I did like the one about the "Monkey Parliament", even though there isn't a single monkey shown in the picture. They're all Chimpanzees. They'd look even cuter if they were clothed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 07:40 PM

Yes, indeed. Little red jackets with little red pillbox-type caps, as they caper around cutting hi-jinks to the sound of an organ grinder's melody-maker. They'd be cuter'n a barrel of monkeys!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 07:50 PM

The URL is:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=550772104951022&set=a.362269433801291.103621.362231420471759&type=1&theater

but perhaps Facebook requires you to be a member. It is an image of a young suburban preteen girl swinging on a set of playground swings. The swing next to her is being enjoyed by a long-armed chimpanzee.

The species to which Chongo was said to belong is chimps, so the government council of Chimps had jurisdiction.

Maggie Darlin' Dogg went absolutely crazy at Dog Beach, skipping through surf and barreling around with other dogs and running like a mad thing all over the place. A joy to behold.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 08:03 PM

Okay, I logged into Facebook and I see it now. Nice picture. Interesting to note the short legs and long arms on the Chimp as opposed to the human body type.

Rap, you should stop with the organ grinder stuff...that's very demeaning to monkeys and Chimpanzees, and might be interpreted as specist comments by some...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 09:08 PM

What might Chonga do about it, huh? Come out to Idaho and try to "correct" me? Ha! I ain't IN Idaho at the moment! Besides flinging poopballs what CAN he do? Specist comments? Il est a rire!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 09:17 PM

You mean "C'est a rire", Rapparee. "Il est a rire" means "he is to laugh" which makes no sense. You mean to say "It is to laugh!".

If you are on FB and go to my Photos page you can see pix of Maggie Darlin' Dogg running through the sands of Dog Beach.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 09:11 AM

Excuse me, Amos mon vieux, but the "he" referred to Chonga. The statement (and I admit that my French is rusty) was to mean "He is to laugh [at]." Perhaps I should have attempted to phrase it as something like "Il me fait a rire" or "Il est un buffoon".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 09:50 AM

See, the french are more mannerly tha the Pocatellanss, They would say "C'est a rire", meaning it is laughable, rather than direct it at the target directly, as hominem. Quelle finesse.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 12:08 PM

Iffen ya don't shoot directly at the guy how does he know you're plumb annoyed with him? Mebbe that's why France loses wars.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 12:43 PM

That is a misperception, Rap, and a very common one. It is based on quite recent history. France has won a great many wars and battles in its entire history as a nation...more, in fact, than it has lost, but it has not done so well in more recent times (since the rise of modern Germany, a nation with a greater population and industrial strength than France). The Germans defeated the French handily in the Franco-Prussian War. The French, English, and Americans, however, prevailed against the Germans in WWI (the Germans this time being outnumbered themselves in both men and resources). No one can fault French courage in either of those conflicts, but in both cases it was the side with greater material and human resources which won out in the end.

In most of the 1800s the French were seen as having the most effective army in the world. Americans greatly admired the French Army in that century, and wished to emulate it...hence the Zouaves who dressed in quasi-French uniforms during the American Civil War.

It has only really been since France's rapid defeat in 1940 that they have been labelled as poor fighters and military "losers" by Americans. This isn't fair or balanced at all. The fact is, ANY western army in existence would have been rapidly defeated in a land campaign by the stunning new German tactics in 1940. If the British had not had the English Channel to protect them, the Germans would have conquered them too, and just as quickly as they did the French. As for the Russians, they were defeated in similar fashion...repeatedly...until the incredible vastness of their homeland itself and the severity of their winter stretched German resources and supply lines to the breaking point....the same fate Napoleon met when he went to Russia.

This common cliche' of deriding French courage on the field of battle is utter nonsense, and it is not supported by the historical facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 02:05 PM

Oh my goodness, MOM, Boys, and especially Stilly River Sage! Thank you for the kind gift that came just as my brother, sister-in-law, and their brood were arriving! What a treat. Thank you! And I resolve to visit and check in every day in 2013. I'll start now, but I have a bit of catch-up to do.

Yours,
Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 02:38 PM

Oh, yeah, right. Keep us in suspense.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 03:41 PM

A little bird sent her a Collin Street Bakery fruitcake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 03:54 PM

The "Best By" date is 12/31/2409. Fruitcake, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 04:12 PM

I just came back from the world famous Museum of Clean, where Don Aslett himself gave us a guided, impromptu tour. What a place!

The fruitcake arrived at the perfect time. My brother used part of it to fix the piano (long story) and I cut very thin slices for the whole gang. I still have about half of it left to apportion out to the boys on Christmas morning.

Thank you again, Stilly!
Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 05:43 PM

Don Aslett is a personal hero of mine - I love his books like Clutter's Last Stand. He's quite a philosopher, he doesn't just address stuff, he thinks about why we accumulate it. He must be around 80 by now?

And you're welcome. I'd like to hear how one repairs a piano with a fruitcake. Substitute for wood putty or Spackle?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 06:02 PM

"My brother used part of it to fix the piano..."?

Oh, yeah, right. Keep us in suspense.

This is an annoying habit you have. Seriously, we are all paying attention when we read your posts. Keeping us in suspense is akin to teasing. It's like putting wrapped gifts under a Christmas tree before Christmas eve when children are in the house. It's CRUEL I tell you! Don't make me wait until Christmas morning to unwrap my present!

But, if that's the case, and I knowIi will get to unwrap it eventually, I shant be curious or anticipatory at all. It's an odd trait that I developed as a child of about 8 years old. Great story, that. I may tell it some day to you some day. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 06:33 PM

Don Aslett is 77---born in 1935, as one of the wall signs said. He is full of energy and enthusiasm, and he delighted in taking us into little known areas of the museum, such as into the clock tower or down into the mirror maze. He is quite a guy.

My brother was trying to adjust the piano cover so it would pull out all the way and actually go over the keys. It had been installed incorrectly after I had the piano tuned last month. He had to reach in to prop up the cover with one hand, then adjust a sliding panel with the other hand while moving the knob back and forth with a third hand. The fruitcake tin was the perfect wedge to prop up the cover. Does that explain things, gnu?

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 07:01 PM

Miss Eiseley, it is a great delight to once again see your gentle cursive gracing these weary walls. I look forward to hearing from you more often!

I took Maggie Darlin' Dogg out to Fiesta Island today--it is a hige lumpen thing that sticks up in the middle of Mission Bay and is used for various ribald contests and other gatherings over the year. It has a very extensive no-leash shore that goes for miles. Maggie went crazy chasing seagulls, galloping like a wild horse into the water and out, and generally being exhilarated.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 07:10 PM

I do hope no one dropped any fruitcake crumbs on the floor. They'd probably go straight through.

See here for details.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 11:27 AM

What the hell, Maw? Why're you slipping like that? You got Alanheimer's?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 01:49 PM

It's that fruitcake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 03:57 PM

Fruitcake is a lovely gift and wise
Fruitcake, oh, fruitcake, forever
A single fruitcake never dies
Fruitcake is my darling!

Fruitcake never causes tears
Fruitcake, oh, fruitcake, forever
A single one lasts a hundred years!
Fruitcake is my darling!

Fruitcake always rings the bells!
Fruitcake, oh, fruitcake, forever
Next year we'll gie it ta someone else.
Oh, fruitcake is my darling!

Fruitcake always brings back thanks
Fruitcake, oh, fruitcake, forever
From nerds and creeps and slugs and skanks,
Fruitcake is my darling!

ANd fruitcake makes you fat and randy
Fruitcake, oh, fruitcake, forever
Because it's soaked in English brandy!
Fruitcake is my darling!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 04:25 PM

Apple pie is cheper here at the shops just now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 06:34 PM

They don't make brandy in England. They do make some decent wine, however.


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