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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 12:20 PM

I have briefly arrived at the conclusion that in the maelstrom of human Becoming, the only truth is Being. But that those enmeshed in the maelstrom cannot connect with Being, as they are immersed in the trials and tribulations of becoming. This may be the most fundamental statement of the problem yet.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:00 PM

I think you're right, Amos. The one essential truth is Being. Being, however, is constantly re-inventing itself into new forms of Being and that's where change comes in...but...it's all happening now, because it always IS now and it always will be! ;-)

Human beings spend much of their time trying to escape the present. They seem to regard it as an obstacle (or a disappointment), and that is the fundamental error in their state of consciousness.

Example: A man stopped at a traffic light, impatiently drumming his fingers on the wheel and muttering, "Change, damn it!"

He isn't comfortable with the present. He refuses to embrace it. He turns his experience of the present into frustration.

Example 2: A girl is uncomfortable with her relationship with her boyfriend, because he isn't perfect...like the movie idols she dreams about. So she plays mind games on him and makes him jealous in order to introduce a little drama into a situation she's basically bored with.

She isn't comfortable with the present. She refuses to embrace it. She refuses to experience love fully in the present, but imagines it occurring in some ideal future...a future which will probably never arrive.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:21 PM

Re eg #2... what was her name, LH?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:29 PM

He doesn't remember, and she's gone now, since he dropped a watermelon on her from top of that tall tower in Toronto.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:40 PM

She was any number of people I've seen.

Claudette, who went out with my friend Brian in the 70s was one such. Hell, I've seen thousands of girls like that. I see them in the shopping malls playing their little games. ;-)

As for those I've actually gone out with...hmmm...? Well, I had one that was considerably WORSE than the very common and tawdry type I described in my example. Far worse. The girl I was describing in my example was just regular, run-of-the-mill, it's a very common situation, but she was not directly inspired by anyone I've gone out with myself...just something I've observed around me. And I might just as well have used a guy in that example. They often play mind games on their girlfriends too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:57 PM

You probably have no idea with what complete equanamity and thorough enjoyment I appreciate the single life, people... ;-) I love it. It leaves me free to quietly be me and do what I enjoy doing. It is in no way disappointing to me nor do I feel in the least deprived by not having a "significant other" at my elbow.

Women friends? Yup! Got several of those, and I like them. Female friends are great. Girlfriend or wife? Nope. And I don't miss them.

That's not to say I might not at some point get back into such a relationship. It's always possible, and I'm open to the possibility if someone came along that I felt that way about and the feeling was mutual. But I'm not looking around for it, and I don't miss it.

You know what loneliness really is? Loneliness is not liking your own company. And the worst kind of loneliness is being lonely IN a relationship or in the middle of a crowded party. That's just bloody awful. I'm not lonely these days, and haven't been in a long time. I think I was last lonely sometime back in the 90s.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 02:16 PM

Maybe y'all should read Martin Heidegger's "Being and Truth." Decent book for a near-existentialist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 02:30 PM

I have said, "I'd rather be lonely alone." Made that come true over ten years back. Not that I am lonely now. Absolutely not. Of course, being a male still in ah, er, you know, I still get awful ah, er, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 02:37 PM

If the day ever comes when Gnu and Little Hawk get to shake hands, watch out! ... ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 03:28 PM

They'd do that after where THOSE hands have been?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:01 PM

Nothing wrong with shaking hands.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:15 PM

My hands haven't been anywhere where I wouldn't choose to go, Rapparee.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:22 PM

There's one guy down here trying pretty hard to get my attention. He's smart, funny, not too bad to look at. Enough older than me that I see that as a bit of a negative, but he's fit, probably more fit than I am. But when I try to imagine fitting a significant other into my life right now, I just can't do it. Like you two, I am fine on my own, I keep myself entertained, and some of the things that interest me keep me so busy that others might dismiss the amount of attention I spend. My garden for example, is important, organic practices are important, and food preservation is important. I am sure that the Little Red Hen story is true - they'd come around for the cooking and eating part of the garden, but not the digging, planting weeding, hovering over part. Why enter a relationship with someone who will dismiss my interests? I'm the same way about several things that interest me, and until some smart rich good looking hunk who doesn't practice passive-aggression comes along and sweeps me off my feet, I'm fine where I am. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:30 PM

Good stuff. ;-) You have realized that you are perfectly allright on your own. If more people did realize that, they wouldn't dive into romantic relationships just to escape their fear OF being alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:06 PM

I liked the watermelon joke, Rapparee.

I'd much rather be alone, and I am happily so, than to be stuck. Right now, even though there is no living significant other, the three very significant young 'uns take up as much of my active energy as I could wish.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:08 PM

I agree with what Rilke said: "And to speak of solitude again, it becomes clearer and clearer that fundamentally this is nothing that one can choose or refrain from. We are solitary. We can delude ourselves about this and act as if it were not true. That is all. But how much better it is to recognize that we are alone; yes, even to begin from this realization."

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:21 PM

Well said, Eiseley!

As physical beings with outer personalities we are irrevocably solitary. Our very identity as individuals has defined us that way.

Most of the spiritual material I read, though, suggests to me that this is "the illusion of separation", as we are all part of a single Unity in Spirit, and in a very intimate way, but we don't perceive that when we exist here in separate bodies. We perceive ourselves as irrevocably separated from one another. Sex is very pleasurable, because it seems briefly to remove the sense of separation and achieve a short-lived unity.

The only way to permanently end the sense of separation is to achieve a unitive consciousness (known as "enlightenment" or "Self-realization" in the Eastern traditions).

That's something most people never even think about. Nor do they strive for it. Nor does their society encourage them to. Only a few spiritual students here and there strive for it, so it's something that occurs quietly in most societies, gets little notice, and goes unremarked upon most of the time.

When in a unitive consciousness you don't just love "this one" or "that one", you love everyone and everything in an undemanding and unconditional fashion...because you realize that they are you and you are they and there IS no separation.

Individuals who have achieved a Unitive consciousness are very rare. I think I've met one such, and I've met one or two others who were getting close to it. You can tell, because it's wonderful just to be around them. They are very peaceful, positive, full of positive energy and ideas, highly motivated, friendly, lively, relaxed, hardworking, and kind. They render much service unto others.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:51 PM

As with all things, consciousness is a gradient phenomenon, and its degrees of separation or closeness of unity are infinite in number, not discrete states. But even in the state of "normal" separation, two people can build a strong union between them over time that is close to telepathic and highly rewarding. It requires an interesting series of encounters, exchanges, compromises, victories and surrenders which constitute a fine voyage in their own right!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 10:19 AM

Shall I bring in Teilhard de Chardin's Omega Point or McLuhan's Global Village at this point? Or suggest re-reading "Childhood's End"?

Of course we are all stuck in our physical shells. Sometimes, once in a rare while, something will join two or more together and when it happens it goes beyond "love".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 10:37 AM

I should note that the dogs are excellent company. When an otherwise sleeping dog does a small tail wag when I walk into the room, that little salute speaks volumes. They are a reflection of things I don't think about often - the fact that my pit bull learned to smile is such a delightful gesture, because I realize I smiled at her enough for her to learn what it means and to figure out how to do it.

So, alone as far as other human occupants, but happily ensconced with two dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 12:30 PM

As long as they can communicate and are affectionate, any species will do in a pinch...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 12:35 PM

Yup. ;-) Dogs are often the most loving of spirits. Some cats are too, although many of them are quite aloof.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 01:19 PM

In my book, a cat too aloof becomes a loofa.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 02:22 PM

I'm working on a new Christmas song. So far I've got:

Reindeer poo falling from the sky
That's how you tell that Santa's nigh
Poop that on the ground just lays
That's how you know it's Christmas Day.

The tune, of course, is "The Ballad of the Green Berets."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 03:07 PM

Rap... I LOVE IT!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 03:58 PM

A lot of talent going to waste, there, Rapp.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 04:36 PM

A... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 08:48 PM

MOM, what are you doing down here with the riff raff?

Watching Rocky Horror Picture Show? Oh, okay. But come upstairs to finish it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 10:53 PM

Degeneracy! Rapparee and his nephew are singing bathroom lyrics so loudly I can hear them bellowing across town!

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:31 AM

My nephew and his pup, Selena, is ensconced in the guest suite. Having driven from Reno both are quite pooped. Tomorrow I may take him up the Legion Hovel and introduce a new ex-Marine to some of the other guys.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 02:24 AM

I like cats ... but I can hardly ever eat a whole one !


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 06:19 AM

Found this on the internut...


Ode to Texas

The devil wanted a place on earth
Sort of a summer home
A place to spend his vacation
Whenever he wanted to roam.

So he picked out Texas
A place both wretched and rough
Where the climate was to his liking
And the cowboys hardened and tough.
He dried up the streams in the canyons
And ordered no rain to fall
He dried up the lakes in the valleys
Then baked and scorched it all.
Then over his barren country
He transplanted shrubs from hell.
The cactus, thistle and prickly pear
The climate suited them well.

Now the home was much to his liking
But animal life, he had none.
So he created crawling creatures
That all mankind would shun.
First he made the rattlesnake
With it's forked poisonous tongue.
Taught it to strike and rattle
And how to swallow it's young.

Then he made scorpions and lizards
And the ugly old horned toad.
He placed spiders of every description
Under rocks by the side of the road.
Then he ordered the sun to shine hotter, Hotter and hotter still.
Until even the cactus wilted
And the old horned lizard took ill.

Then he gazed on his earthly kingdom
As any creator would
He chuckled a little up his sleeve
And admitted that it was good.
'Twas summer now and Satan lay
By a prickly pear to rest.
The sweat rolled off his swarthy brow
So he took off his coat and vest.

"By Golly," he finally panted,
"I did my job too well,
I'm going back to where I came from,
Texas is hotter than Hell."



Please Lord, now that he's gone, won't you send rain?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 12:55 PM

"a new ex-Marine to some of the other guys. " since he's visiting, I assume he isn't dead - which means he never made it through boot camp? Those, I am told, are the only conditions under which you have ex-marines.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 04:54 PM

I've worked with scores of Marines, and they were the finest human beings you cou8ld want to meet. Not one of them considered himself an "ex"-Marine. The Corps was in their very cells.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 07:41 PM

True of many branches of many armed services of many countries. I very much admire the US Marine Corps for their "Never leave a man behind, dead or alive." committment. True valour and true bravery and true SERVICE to each other. They are indeed to be revered and commended.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 08:09 PM

I posted earlier, but see it didn't go through. Heat warping the lines, no doubt.

Too bad there is no attribution to that Hot as Hell Texas poem, just repeated postings of it. People are so lazy!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 08:15 PM

Bravery is always to be admired and respected...in either a friend or an enemy.

It saddens me that many show great bravery while serving political causes that are unjust and political policies that are tragically mistaken.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 12:28 AM

I just had a wonderful dinner with some friends who came over from Germany. We laughed and talked, and I could hold my own in German! Tomorrow we're going over to Chesterfield and then to see the geyser in Soda Springs and taste the sparkling waters. (Ugh!)

On another subject: it's hard enough to recognize brief glimpses of truth or pure goodness anywhere, but to give genuine service to another seems like a step along the path. So, deluded or not, there must be something good in it.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 11:06 AM

There are myriads upon myriads of illusions and delusions available for humans to test themselves or amuse themselves or suffer with. The great secret is that some delusions are preferable to others, and even in a universe full of delusions, it is possible to navigate amongst them. IF you MUST be deluded, at least choose delusions which are preferable.

As to whether we must or not, I suspect it is unavoidable in the human matrix, although it may be optional otherwise.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 01:00 PM

Well said, Amos! ;-) I think you are absolutely right. We're playing in the 3-D matrix here, and we try to pick the roles that we like better, that's all. The great secret is exactly as you say it is.

Notice how common it is for people to judge other people "evil", according to the roles they have chosen to play? That's part of the delusion too. It's as if we are all dreaming, yet fully believing that the dream is 100% real. (and most people DO believe a dream while it's happening)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:15 PM

True. I dreamed all of you up, for example.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 04:30 PM

Ha! How do you know we didn't dream you up, just to amuse ourselves? You wouldn't have any way of knowing, because we have endowed you with a fairly basic form of artificial intelligence and self-awareness, just a created character in a computer game. You appear to have free will...in fact you DO have free will within the limited parameters OF your character and of the game, because when we wrote you into the program called "Life" we gave you free will within those parameters.

You are allowed fully to do anything you decide to, within the range of your programmed capabilities.

And that, my friend is how life works! For everyone. It's just like a gigantic computer game simulation where all the characters get to explore the possibilities of the basic role they've been given...and they can even re-write the role as they go along by using their free will creatively.

That's what everyone does, in one way or another. They ARE fully in charge of their own destiny, but they have to deal with certain limitations, that's all. Generally they behave in rather predictable patterns. Occasionally you get one who really KNOWS how to make use of his or her free will, and then some profound things can happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 05:15 PM

I jes' LUBS it when Mistah Hawk explains to us how life works. I larn SO much from his talkin'. Yes, inDEED I do!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 05:50 PM

Just as I LOVE it when you wax all poetical and lyrical, Amos! I bet you could charm the toga right off a Greek Goddess when you do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:32 PM

No, it is clear, given the rampant scathing skepticism around here, that not everyone buys into Rapparree's assertion that it was he who Authored Us All. Just look, for example, and the long chain of scathing condescension, criticism, and derogation some of us have levied on his weary person in our fathomless ingratitude. One is forced to wonder, once the first avalanche of guilt and self-abnegation clears away, why a Cosmic Author suh as Himself would author such a furbelow as a carping critic from California, a gaunt and gumptionless granola gummer with the sand of a seaturtle's spineless spittle? Why would He, the all and powerful One, generate such fractious feeble-minded febrile frivolity in his Flawless Space, and have such minor minions behave in such jackanapes manner, tossing sarcasm, scurrilous and scrofulous condemnation and barbarian barbs at his very Raiment of Perfection?

And yet it cannot be question that such is the case.

One can only conclude that He, the One, the All-Powerful, the Author of Us All, is himself tormented by a self-esteem worn a bit ragged along its very seams with self-doubt, a worrisome deep streak of abnegation of self-worth, a smidgen of Self Shaming Sneers and Snarkery riddling the gigantic hollows of his vast Mentallity, like a flock of vipers nested in the basement underpinnings of a giant Temple.

In my temporary and capriciously disingenuous pose as an independent voice, I invite your thoughts on this most profound and cosmic paradox, to know if anyone sees how it might, itself, be paradoctored.

A, humble and humiliated mock-up of the Mighty Rapparee


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:35 PM

ANd just to torment those inclined to tricks
Here is the might Forty one and Six.
And when the season shall be through
Our Kays shall mount to 42!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:42 PM

I wrote a story for you all!

There once was a student called Patrick who went by the name DrugCrazed on a folk forum called Mudcat. One day, Drug saw the famous Mother Of All BS thread but ignored it, since it wasn't bothering him. Then, after a few months, the famous thread appeared again and again. Drug was fascinated by such a thread title, but decided to leave it be again. Finally, in the 8th month of the year 2011 the naive Drug gave in and started to read the whole thread.

"Wow", said Drug "This is an interesting idea, surely one thread for all the BS on Mudcat would be very useful". He then continued reading. After a while, he glanced at the URL and nearly fell over. "Hang on, 41600 messages? Sweet Mary of Joseph, no wonder it took so long to get". Such a large number scared the young Drug and he ran to the hills, and decided to avoid the thread in future.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:45 PM

I'm supposed to have self-esteem and self-doubt problems?

Nah. If I had them things I'd have to have y'all worship and praise me, which ain't the case at all. Shucks, I don't even ask for a tithe or your first-born or anything like that. Of course, if you do feel like sending money I won't refuse it, but it's not required.

More Verses:

Trained to fly the wide world o'er
To knock down roofs and kick in doors
Leaving presents on the ground
Santa's hay gives scours all around.

Knee-deep in poop a young child stands
Searching for presents with its hands
An unneeded job, if Claus would spend
Some hoarded cash on reindeer Depends.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:47 PM

One more notch in the belt at best I guess.

The youth these days eh? No commitment.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 11 - 09:48 PM

Only St. Eiseley has read and understood the entire thing. It is not for Mere Mortals to comprehend Mom in her fullness.


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