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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 05:53 PM

There is hope for the future in youthful groups like this Birdy from Chicago--they actually do Wayfarin' Stranger inter alia.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 04:31 PM

Hey, it's the anniversary of the Battle of Niagra Falls (a/k/a Lundy's Lane).

About the ONLY battle the US won on Canadian soil during the Recent Unpleasantness with Great Britain.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 02:01 PM

The British often referred to the American revolutionaries as "Yankees"...possibly since the rebellion really began in the New England states. They also referred to them as "those damned rebels". It has nothing to do with your American Civil War in either case.

Rap fired the first volley, and I am replying in kind.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM

Strange colors to fly from Mom's peak. Vurrry strange indeed...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:06 PM

We saw the Yankees comin' with a holler and a yell
We loaded ball and powder and we blew 'em all to hell
The General said, "Cease fire, lads, we've got 'em on the run!"
And we chased 'em back to Washington and captured all their guns

We caught a Yankee Captain and we marched him down the street
He was trembling in his boots as he staggered on his feet
The ladies laughed to see him, and the boys raised up a cheer
Then we took him to the arsenal and hung him by his ears

He dangled from the jackstaff, and he cried "Don't kill me, please!"
So we cut him down in pity, and we fed him mushy peas
Just like you'll get in London, and he grinned from ear to ear
He declared, "I've not been fed so well in 27 years!

We made him General's mascot, and he served as waterboy
While we torched the bloody White House, which gave our soldiers joy
We took him back to Canada with some other souveniers
Where everyone remarked upon the Yankee Captain's ears

For it happened that in hanging him they'd stretched a bloody yard
Now they hung around his buckles when the wind weren't blowing hard
But when it got a gale up they went streaming fore and aft
Like the pennants on a packet, and it made the sailors laugh

Now the Captain's been released and he's joined the British fleet
For he knows the Royal Navy is a force that can't be beat
He ties his ears back handsomely and when he loads the guns
He shouts "God Save the King, me lads, and to hell with Madison!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 10:29 AM

Back in 1814 we took a little stroll
Over there to Lundy's Lane, we took some cannonball
We knew we'd meet the British there
And we'd whup some British....
And leave 'em there a'layin' in good Canadian grass.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 03:46 AM

Lovely review, LH!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 01:18 AM

Gracias, compadres!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 09:26 PM

I've mentioned it to my friend Nancy Pearl.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 07:55 PM

You betcha! I'm telling numerous friends about it and at least one of them has ordered a copy off Amazon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:32 PM

Little Hawk--

Many thanks for that toe-curling review! Much appreciated.

A

"Beyond the Cascade" is a simply marvellous book, a great adventure story, and a philosophical-spiritual journey that gives the reader a great deal to think about. Suzannah is a totally believable character, a woman of great strength and determination, an original thinker who is ever intent on extending her horizons and not afraid to take on great risks in doing so. Every location in the story from New York City to the interior of Africa is depicted in beautiful clarity, and every character, major or minor, is interesting, colorful, and convincing. You grow to love some of the people in this tale, and that's what keeps you reading above all else. Who will enjoy "Beyond the Cascade"? Anyone who likes a cracking good adventure tale, anyone who sees life as a spiritual journey, anyone who yearns to go beyond mere surface appearances and find a greater Truth...with a capital "T". This is one of the best books I've read in a long time. How do I sum it up? By saying: I wish I'd written it. - George Coventry


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM

Fine squash sliced thin, wafered heritage tomatoes, finely scraped carrot curls--a sald for a King, carefully dressed and presented to BBW with a bowl of hot home-made chicken soup, steeped for days with lots of pepper, onions, carrots, celery and spices floating among them. This was my last decent act last night before I wandered off to the East County. I did a twenty-minute set at a little dive called the Parkeway--good people, good music, good Guinness. This morning, Maggie Darlin' Dogg and I went out to the park and gsalloped around making each other chase a tennis ball. She was supposed to bring it back each time, but she's training me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 03:28 AM

Temp 19C; Dewpoint 19C; Barometer falling. Shoulda left the AC on.

Figured out why my peas wouldn't sprout... didn't have my glasses on. If I had had my glasses on, I woulda noticed the cat hair. I started em in the garage this time. I gotta shitload peas and beans ta bed this weekend. Semi-topped a cherry tomatoe... got 6 rootin in water. They grow fast.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:14 PM

Furthermore, I dedicate page 1,000 to her.

Anybody who don't like this can step outside...of the Idaho Legion Hovel. She was well known and highly respected there and several members -- The Steel Knuckles Kid, Iron Fist Fatty, Stomper, Toe-Shootin' Bill, Eat-Yer-Hat, and others will accommodate you should you be disrespectful. Leave next-of-kin notification with the bartender so it will be properly disposed of in the trash and not left to litter the streets as various parts of you will be.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:17 PM

We'll remember THAT dibs, Mike. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 07:53 PM

I dedicate post 50,000 to Kat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 06:24 PM

SRS... I sit alone at the keyboard so I wept openly. Odd about Mick's post. Having words at first? I did too. I tore her a new asshole over something that upset me greatly when I first read her posts.... then... wow... what a wonderful person! I came to respect her greatly. I still have a problem with believing... you know.

Cascade : haven't read a word for days. Got some shit on the go. Can't wait ta get back on it by Sunday. The downtime I have get's spent idlin away here or on FB or listening to hard core drivin tunes. Just tryin ta wind a little looser.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:20 PM

48500

Just because it's there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:18 PM

I didn't drop in yesterday, sorry MOM if you drooped near the bottom. I was pursuing a personal task and didn't check out Mudcat or facebook early, only to come up for air in the early afternoon and find that our dear Katlaughing had died. "Thunderstruck" pretty well defines the feeling - I was at work, trying not to bawl my head off, instead dabbing at tears the rest of the afternoon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:56 AM

Mediocre??? Fine talk from you, Rap! Yer the kinda suicidal fool who woulda described Wild Bill Hickock or Machine Gun Kelly as "mediocre" to their face...a coupla seconds before they put a whole buncha new air holes in you with hot lead.

I been readin' "the Cascade". It's surprisin'ly good. I didn't think Amos had it in him to write somethin' this good, but I guess I was wrong. It's damn near as good as Raymond Chandler, and that ain't just whistlin' Dixie. Now, if there'd been a Chimp or two worked into the story...and a crocodile fight or two in the river...then it woulda been even better. Still, not shabby. I give it 8 outta 10 stars.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:36 AM

Okay, okay. "Beyond the Cascade" at least mediocre. Let me see what I can do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:15 AM

I don't think of death as an extinction, I think of it as being akin to stepping through a small doorway and leaving a room one has been inside for a long time...and stepping into a much larger open space. What is there, I can't say, because I'm not there right now, but I have a feeling it's very good.

Amos, I've written that review of "Beyond the Cascade".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 07:08 AM

Max has fixed The Red Box and I have returned.

Ebbie... lillies are the flower of death in some Germanic* countries. I defintely see a connection.

*Mum told me about this, having learned about it in Germany. The Easter Lily is so because of the death of Jesus. Ya just don't give another person lillies except at Easter or at a funeral.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:36 PM

When a ship sails away, you can't see it but the ship still exists.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 12:35 PM

I feel pretty sure that no one really dies, and that Kat is not really "dead"...just not here in the body now. Your dream sounds like a very clear link to that, Ebbie.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 11:33 AM

I know, Amos. It feels significant to me in ways that I cannot know. I am just so sorry.

I don't put much stock in dream interpretation but last night I woke from a vivid dream of beauty.

Here is what I wrote about an hour ago when I first heard the news:

"Lily
To see lilies in your dream symbolizes tranquility, spirituality, faith, peace, purity, joy and bliss. It is also connected (with) mourning."

Last night I saw a stand of tall, pale blue, ethereal, delicate lilies with weeds and grasses cut short all around it. They were beautiful beyond words.
I feel that it is somehow connected to Katlaughing's death last night. July 22, 2013


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 10:59 AM

I can think of a few reasons.

I am still recovering from the news about Katlaughing. She's been a voice of the Mudcat since before I first came here. It was unexpected (to me). One of those shifts in the fabric that cannot be ignored.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 10:55 AM

That is fascinating, Rap! So...if I got a big enough ball of string and tied it to a wooden stake driven in the ground...then started off in some direction, unwinding the string as I go...and kept on in a straight line...I would eventually reach the stake from the other side and have a string stretched around the entire world!!! Right?

Why has no one ever done this?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 10:01 AM

No, because if you go far enough West you'll be back East.

You see, LH, the Earth is shaped like a ball. A bit of a misshapen ball, like one that's been played with by several generations of kids and then given to the dogs as a "fetch" toy, but a ball none the less. So if you mark any spot on that ball and draw a straight line on the surface away from it in any direction you'll end up back where you started! Isn't that cool? It's just one of the wonders of what I call a "sphere."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 09:36 AM

What will happen when we do reach the Fabled Fifty of Kay? Will I hear a faint flourish of sound echo from the Far West like the squawk of a dying chicken or a poorly blown vuvuzela?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:28 AM

It's a sad state of affairs, I swan. How are we going to reach the Fabled Fifty of Kay with this kind of lackadaisical pettifoggery where we should be seeing brilliant, diamantine application in pursuit of Better BS? That's what I want to know!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 06:55 PM

Second from the VERY BOTTOM!!! Poor Mom, wallowing in the bottom muck, trying to climb back up out but no one to help...Oh, the humanity!!!!

Thank God for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:23 PM

By crackees, I did it! I got the palindrome without even trying!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:36 PM

Oh, yeah. I forgot. On July 20, 1969, Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:03 PM

What was their opinion regarding the Blarney Stone?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 05:07 PM

The Christian Endeavor Society of Missouri appear to have failed utterly in their quest. ;-D I can't say that surprises me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM

How did they imagine people got related in the first place? Sheeshe!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 01:25 PM

This is important and Mom probably remembers it:

On July 20, 1910 The Christian Endeavor Society of Missouri began a campaign to ban all motion pictures that depicted kissing between non-relatives.

I don't know what they did about cowboys kissing their horses, or Sham McBride kissing...never mind that, the mental image is too disturbing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:59 AM

It's a hot day today, MOM. I know the boys asked you to clean and detail their cars for them ("No one can do it as precisely as you do, MOM! Please?") but make them clear out the carport for you so you're not working out in the direct sun.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 02:43 AM

I understood that - and it is a too-scarce service you can provide, having the know-how to search databases and finding aids and who knows what else to come up with the evidence these folks need. That's a great help.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 07:00 PM

DItto, Sir Booque.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:59 PM

Oh, he's not the only one. I got help for one guy who was in Saigon Harbor in 1962 -- Agent Orange exposure and much help with several health problems he's had.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:35 AM

Thank you for helping him, Mike. None of this "thank you for your service" platitude, I'll spell it out - thank you for caring and making this effort and using your unique skills to make a real difference in a life.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:27 PM

And THAT'S why so many veterans give up trying to get the help they need and deserve.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:25 PM

I have, literally checked every website that mentions "Boyd." There's a lot of missing history for her.

The Secretary of the Navy visited her in July, 1966. Photos of the period are undated and often with titles such as "Playing cards" and that doesn't tell me who or when.

I'm trying to help a sailor with an Agent Orange claim -- very, very difficult for "Blue Water Navy" as the government does not believe, contrary to scientific studies, that dioxins washed out the Yankee Station and were not removed by the ships' water-making apparatus. You have to show that they performed "Brown Water" duties or were docked with the likelihood that the crew went ashore.

So you ask the National Archives for copies of the Deck Logs. However, after 47 years memories dim and run together and what someone believes happened during a given time span didn't. As a result I try to use my "look it up" abilities to help.

True story: I helped a guy prove he suffered hearing loss while serving on "USS Saratoga" in the Med in 1962. The VA office in Boise said, "No way!" Mind you, he was serving as a catapult operator behind the blast shield directly behind the jet's exhaust...and the Navy admits today that even with "modern" hearing protection these people usually suffer hearing loss.

I hope I can help the guy from "Boyd." Contacting the CPT, even if he is still alive, is usually of little help as it's very, very unlikely he'd remember a particular fire mission or where he took a ship during a particular time...and the VA usually says, "Ha! That's wrong!" to such evidence anyway.

I met a guy today who was with the Field Artillery (8" howitzers) in Germany. He asked for hearing aids because of hearing loss and was told "No! You can't prove it was due to military service, nyah, nyah, nyah!" So he appealed two years ago and hasn't heard anything since.

Go figure....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:24 PM

The email addy I posted should provide you with a lead. The CMDRS listed were the COs of the boat for the years marked.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:37 AM

There are some specific websites about the USS Boyd, Rap. Just do a Google search.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:20 AM

That one, Amos. Her history sort of goes blank after 1959, and picks up again when she was decommissioned and sold to Turkey in 1981, only to be scrapped in 1989.

Yes, I've contacted the National Archives.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:21 AM

CDR Charles Hamlin Black    Feb 1963 - Oct 1964
CDR Edward Arthur Short    Oct 1964 - Jun 1966
CDR Gerald Grey Roberts    Jun 1966 - Feb 1968
CDR James McAllen Webster    Feb 1968 - Oct 1 1969
Crew Contact And Reunion Information
Contact Name: Jerry L. Stutzman
Address: 21344 Sylvan Ct., Bristol, IN 46507
Phone: (574)-848-7366
E-mail: StutzDD544@comcast.net


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:19 AM

You mean this ole tin can?

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