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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:54 AM

How about "chinook" or "williwa"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:44 AM

Don't go trying to substitute that fine Northwestern word skookum for the name of the Lone Ranger's side kick. It isn't a word that would rest lightly on an individual in the American Southwest.

Many fine creeks and rivers and even mountains have the name "chuck" in them. I climbed Pilchuck many times, to many to count, and Pilchuck creek comes off of it. Hyakchuck creek is up near the Whitechuck River in the Darrington area (near Dakhobed, also called Glacier Peak). It is redundant to say "Whitechuck River," and most of us were aware of it. Like saying Mount Fujiyama. It's either Mt. Fuji or Fujiyama because "yama" is mountain.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 11:20 PM

The better way from Wilmington to Hillsborough to I-40.   

Assuming you're in a hurry, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 11:12 PM

There is no "Shane," skookum or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 10:32 PM

And Shane is the most skookum of hosers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 10:28 PM

Mom is definitely the most skookum of threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 08:34 PM

Skookum is itself a heap skookum word, n'est-ce pas?

"... meanings from "'good,' to 'strong,' 'best,' 'powerful,' 'ultimate' and 'first rate.' Something can be skookum meaning 'cool' or skookum can be 'tough.' A skookum burger is a big (or really tasty) hamburger, but when your Mom's food is skookum, it's delicious but also hearty [...] When you're skookum, you've got a purpose and you're on solid ground."

Being called skookum may also mean that someone can be counted on as reliable and hard-working, or is big and strong. In a perhaps slightly less positive vein, skookum house means jail or prison, cf. the English euphemism "the big house" but here meaning "strong house". Skookum tumtum, lit. "strong heart", is generally translated as "brave" or possibly "good-hearted". In the Chinook Jargon, skookum is also used as a verb auxiliary, as in "can" or "to be able". Another compound, though fallen out of use in modern BC English, is skookum lacasset", or strongbox.

A related word "skookumchuck" means turbulent water or rapids in a stream or river, i.e. "strong water" ("chuck" is Chinook Jargon for "water" or "stream" or "lake"). There are three placenames in British Columbia using this word, one of them for a famous saltwater rapid at the mouth of Sechelt Inlet, the others at rapids on the Lillooet and Columbia Rivers."

A better way! A more skookum way!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 06:29 PM

The reason the FIC is there at all...the reason ANY faithful sidekick is there as an assistant to the main heroic character of the tale...is this: it is a device which permits the main character to get into many desperate situations where the sidekick can rescue him...or vice versa. It allows for more complex plot permutations than a story about a character entirely on his own.

It also provides lots of scope for plenty of cool scenes and dialogue involving UIP.

"My head is aching and I keep hearing a strange ringing in my ears, Tonto."

"Ugh. That because you gottum arrow through head from last ambush, kimosave..."

"What kind of arrow is it, Tonto?"

"It be Apache arrow, Kimosave. Woolworth's brand. You want me pull-um out?"

"No, Tonto. No. I am one who has always been willing to sacrifice comfort for style. Hi-Yo Silver...AWAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 06:13 PM

Chingo?

I always wondered about Tonto -- he saves the life of the Lone Ranger so he gets to be the second fiddle? Right...........

By the way, when the English reached Jamestown the Indians of the Virginia coast, all along the Atlantic coast north from Florida in fact, were fairly well acquainted with the English, Spanish and French. A little MORE acquaintance and less liberal immigration policy on the part of the Indians and things might have turned out a bit differently from what they did.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 05:51 PM

Thanks for the fascinating info, Rapaire. It's remarkable to think of North American Indians spending years living in England or Europe in the 1500's...then going back to tell the other Indians what they saw there. Boy, it must have been some culture shock!

Knowing Spanish rather well, I was amused for years that the FIC in the Lone Ranger stories was called "Tonto". I always wondered how they marketed those same characters in the Spanish-speaking world, as they must have done. They simply could not have called that character "Tonto" in a Spanish-language culture. It would have been totally ridiculous. I think they probably changed his name to something else instead, and if so....to what???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 05:18 PM

LH, it was a skookum word in the lingua franca of Indian-White trade.

However...remember that Indians had been visiting and living in Europe from about 1493 on and by the time Jamestown was settled in 1607 there were Indians living in Virginia that had spent literally YEARS in England and elsewhere in Europe.

Moreover, there were Europeans -- often young boys -- who spent time with the Indians.

Read "The Jamestown Project" for more information on this.

(Know why the Lone Ranger was shot by his Faithful Indian companion? Because the FIC found out what "Tonto" meant. [Please note that it requires somewhat of a Spanish vocabulary to get this.])


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:45 PM

Me think UIP heap good! All Injuns in-um Hollywood speak-um UIP in 1930s, 40s, 50s. Everybody know that. It be Universal Code for-um different tribes so nobody get-um confused and not know what other guy mean when talk. It take-um heap dumb person to question elegant UIP language system that gettum universal acceptance with Metro-Goldwyn Mayer AND Cecil B. De Mille AND all other big studios.

Such political radical people be-um main reason for failure and decline of-um western movies at box office. Heap BAD medicine!

What be-um derivation of word "heap" anyway? Anybody know? Where "heap" come from?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:23 PM

Where did the "hamstrung linguistic nonsense" come from?

You mean to tell me that the Shawnee, Blackfoot, Seminole, Arapahoe, Apache, Creek, Crow, Dakota, Cherokee,Cheyenne, Chickasaw, Chinook. Chippewa (Ojibwa), Choctaw, Coeur d'Alene, Kickapoo, Kiowa, Monhegan, Klallam, Klamath, and Iroquois didn't all speak Universal Indian Pidgin (UIP)??

I am absolutely stunned at this revelation.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:10 PM

Did you hear the narration provided by N. Scott Momaday on one of the PBS history series of the last decade? I think it was The West or maybe The Remembered Earth (these two come up in a quick search). Puts to rest all of that hamstrung linguistic nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:00 PM

Ambiguity heap good--make white boy spend dough like water...no tolerance for uncertainty in white man's head.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 01:02 PM

Northern Exposure did a pretty good job of debunking that hackneyed figure. It took a lot to get past skinny old Italian guys in black wigs canoeing around North America crying over trash.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:55 PM

Ugh. That true. Anyway, how get Hollywood acting job in 40s and 50s if not talk like Hollywood Injun?

(It's kind of sad and hilarious at the same time when you go back and read the stuff from that era that was taken for granted at the time...there's a Hollywood Indian in one of the Raymond Chandler stories, which are all beautifully written by the way, and he talks just like that.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:31 PM

Hope more cash arrive in response to boundless ambiguity, is why....



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:28 PM

Red man speak leaving out key words and appropriate verb tenses.

Why that? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:09 PM

You make the arrangements and we'll come do it, Amos!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:39 AM

BEing in San Diego is definitely a better way.

I meant something even better --- like being in San Diego with lots of olive oil and plenty of cash.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:34 AM

Let's all move to SAN DIEGO!!

That would be a better...uh, well, it would be a way. And we could all stay at Amos's place.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:31 AM

White man speak with forked tongue.

Thanks, Still.

Definitely one answer to the Question. Noteworthy that of all possible answers so far, two have focused on olive oil.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:07 AM

You're saying that if I press my shirts I'll get oil? How about basketball -- will a full-court press yield even more oil? Can we solve the nation's fuel problems this way? And I'm not sure plain old olive trees will survive here, not like the Russian Olive tree does, and the city won't let you plant any more of them because they're an invasive species.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:49 AM

The Nature of a Better Way--

the

key

is

Here.

Read this book. Study the attitudes toward good food and hard work and wine and art and adventure of new things.

You'll want to wallow in your farmer's market, grow your own olives and press your own oil, you'll want to sample fine wines and good cooking. You'll want to grow your own produce, live healthy, work hard, sleep well at night. And laugh.

The movie was cute, but the book is marvelous.

Bon Appetit!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:40 PM

Well, that's why I dropped him way over on the other side of the lake. In the winter.

And the traps are still set.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

And knowing of your kind and loving heart he will return with all his kith and kin.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

I hope so. ;-) Have you seen "Ratatouille"? It's an absolutely wonderful movie about a grateful and very deserving rodent.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:19 PM

I am sure he is sensitive to your generosity and appropriately grateful.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:15 PM

Heh! Well, perhaps. Cockroaches, if nothing else, are great survivors, so I wouldn't be too quick to judge them for their generally unsavory reputation....as long as they don't overrun my kitchen. Then the gloves are off.

Speaking of which, I had to go on a bitter anti-mouse campaign here over the past 2 months. The house was infested with them for some reason.

Final score: 7 large and prosperous looking mice killed by traps and one prisoner taken unharmed when I fortuitously trapped him in a small box. I would really prefer not to hurt them, all things considered. I took that lucky fellow around the other side of the small lake here...far enough away that he wouldn't come back...and dropped him off at the outdoor wildlife sanctuary place where they have pheasants and other birds in cages. I figured he'd find bird food there aplenty to live on, even in the middle of winter...but he might have had to negotiate for space with the local mice who were already there. Anyway, I gave him about the best chance I could figure out at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 08:46 PM

Far, far better than Olive oil or Canadian Subways, good Hawk. May you infect the soul of Cockroach and quicken the heartbeat thereof.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:53 PM

Ultimately, I think the Better Way is simply beyond expressing in language, but it would be an approximation to say that it is akin to one enormous Harmony...with no dissonance whatsoever. Dissonance would only appear to occur when one split off various parts of the One Harmony and considered them from certain isolated perspectives, but without grasping the whole.

And that is the general problem of existence: being limited to one's isolated perspectives, and not grasping the whole.

The less one does grasp the whole, the more is one inclined to argue...and to cast judgement...and to take sides in disputes...and to see evil. A host of miseries derive from clinging to one's partialities.

And that is one of the reasons why I think it's a very bad idea to have political parties, come to think of it. It creates perpetual political warfare in a society by setting up oppositional forces. The same is true of having teams in organized sports, but that is a far more innocent form of stylized warfare than what we see occurring in politics, and it usually does a lot less damage to the world (soccer hooligans notwithstanding).

But the fact that I have a problem with political parties AND organized sports also indicates my own partiality and judgement! ;-) And I know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:30 PM

It is clear that few if any of Mom's Loyal Chitlins have the time to Make a Proposition in answer to the Topic.

Proposition: The Nature of a Better Way Includes More Harmony and Less Dissonance



I would llike to know what BWL has to say about this. Also Kink Khankadoo. And Janie, Maggie, Leedle Hack, and Rapaire. Also Tweed, Bunn, Rustic Rebel and the funny lady from Blueblood, England.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 05:10 PM

Spoken in the True Cockroach Spirit. Yet, it may be yet to be discovered that Nothing is a Unary, Transcendental and All-Permeating singularity, requiring only a single breath to be fully Known.

Such a moment would indeed make an Archie of a Mehitabel, or vice-versa, depending on how well it was assimilated.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 05:00 PM

If you do not explore all ways you cannot know which is better, just as you cannot know true repentance until you have explored all that you need not repent of. For only by the experience of nothing can you experience something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 04:46 PM

Behold, Butterfly draws closer to the Way than Cockroach!!

Why is that?

But no, much as I revere Olive Oil, I do not think that she alone can personify the Better Way of which I am in search.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 04:30 PM

The better way you are searching for involves olive oil, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 03:38 PM

Ah, Cockroach, how misguided is your Guidance. No, verily, I say unto you that only the way you Know is Better can possibly be the better way. Learn this lesson, and learn it well, Cockroach: the Road to Hell is paved with the validation of Wrong Targets. I am certain there is A Better Way which does not involve Lard. At least, that way will lie the Better Way for me and for Mom. Of that I am sure. You, of course, by nature, may be more interested in the Larded Way.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 02:27 PM

But Cheese Whiz touches everything. It is everywhere. And it might be the "better way" you are searching for, Grasshopper. You could do far worse than to emulate the noted sage Ah'man and try it on deep-fried breaded lard sticks. You must try all ways, Grasshopper, not just those that you believe are best.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:29 PM

I applaud, also, janie's Poem which is clearly and without doubt a Contribution to the Topic, whether by intent of Authoress or by divine fate.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:26 PM

We begin this Memorable Year with a

New Topic



Viz, and to wit:

What Is the Nature of a Better Way???



Initially the discussion will be limited to aspects not touching on cheese whiz.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:17 PM

Quiet this morning. And you're starting the year discussing cheese whizz? I hope this doesn't have anything to do with culinary resolutions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:24 PM

Yes. Yes, exactly.

Speaking of cheese whiz, down in the ads at the bottom of the page right now is a link for "Mormon Folk Tunes & Hymns." Is there some connection between the Mormon Church and cheese whiz? I shall have to ask my Mormon friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 11:37 AM

..a whizzed cheeze container, surely...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:48 AM

But "whizzed cheese" comes out of a...I leave it to your imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 02:22 AM

I see I have to look in on the Tavern before heading to bed tonight, now that it is Jan. 1, 2008. Looks like Rapaire has been busy entertaining the troops. Hope he didn't lose that trumpet thingie, it could be useful . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:31 AM

Cheese Whiz is in a jar.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:07 AM

Happy New Year, Mom.

To All Our Relations
All the two leggeds
The four leggeds
The creepy crawlies and the winged creatures
To all that walks, flies, or crawls upon the ground.
To all that burrows in the earth, swims in the sea
To all that clings to the cravasses and crevises of the mountains and the deep.
To the East, the land of birth, beginning, wakefulness
To the South, the place of light, warmth, hope
To the West, the land of death, sleep, the ancestors
To the North, the place of winter, rest, dormancy
To all our our relations that dwell on and in the Earth
And in the skies above us.
Happy New Year.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:06 AM

The "Table Do Hot" for the weekly Bingo Dinner the other night was:

Horsy Do Overs: Whizzed Cheese On Crackers w/Partially Stuck In It

Salad: Kale and Beet Tops w/Canned Pears, In Its Own Juices

Entry: Some Sort Of Cooked Meat
       Roasted Canned Vegetables Outside The Can
       Rice Or Something Like That With Stuff In It
       Green Or Red Jello With Fruit In It
       Bread And Stuff Like That, With Oleo

Desert: Hot Froze Apple Pie With Whizzed Cheese On It

Drinks: Yes.


This is an exact transcript of the menu. You can guess at most of it, but I can't bring myself to describe what is meant by "Whizzed Cheese." Suffice to say that it does NOT come out of a pressurized can.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:49 PM

Yum! Bet that is one place where you can find roadkill dishes. You know, groundhogs swelled up just right!


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