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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Acme 21 Apr 07 - 04:40 PM
Amos 21 Apr 07 - 11:15 AM
Amos 21 Apr 07 - 09:56 AM
Rapparee 21 Apr 07 - 09:45 AM
Acme 21 Apr 07 - 01:00 AM
Amos 21 Apr 07 - 12:17 AM
Rapparee 20 Apr 07 - 09:34 PM
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GUEST,freds 20 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM
Amos 20 Apr 07 - 07:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:40 PM

With this many puns turning up, we're starting a cottage industry.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 11:15 AM

"In fack, it's downright Grimm."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:56 AM

"Boy! Wodda crumby predicament dis is!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:45 AM

"...you son of a witch!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 01:00 AM

. . . or you'll reGretel it!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:17 AM

...saying, "Keep your damn Hansel off me!!".

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:34 PM

I once felt like Gretel, only she slapped me, straightened her clothing, and stomped off.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:51 PM

Why do I feel like Hansel?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,freds
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM

We just wanted to stop by and say hello.

Hello. Please eat well. We'll stop by again soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 07:24 PM

Grand idea. I shall start a Help thread complaining abut failure to delete certain offensive posts over at whitehouse.gov.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM

I think that I'll ask in the Help forum for a thread in the main forum asking for a thread in the help forum to undelete a thread somewhere else entirely. Following which I'll complain that just because the deleted thread was at Tweed's place there is no excuse for my being censored on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 06:21 PM

MM:

I suspect you have been shammed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:26 PM

posting in the main forum to request action on a thread in the help forum ;which requests that a thread in the main forum be undeleted


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 02:44 PM

Context, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:45 PM

totally a different subject ---
it really gets my goat when the "best/most rational/least damaging" response to falsehoods is silence; since that allows the falsehoods to remain unchalleged and thus liable to be taken as "truth".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:41 PM

That is . . . um . . . er . . . good god, did she really think that? There wasn't any hint there that she had her tongue in her cheek.

On another note, it may be "lopsided," but each side is of equal weight, so it will spin.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:07 PM

I dunno if the sense of humour grows sharper in Arkansas than in seaboard communities, but this leads me to believe it is one possibility. The other, of course, is people striving to be dumber than a box of chocolate rocks.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 10:10 AM

but it's lopsided


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 10:09 AM

When librarians go forth upon the Great and Troubled Sea of All Knowledge, to Find Things Out, they run great risks. A single symbol, turned wrong-way to, can undo their bearings and leave them without orientation. One biased and undependable Source can wreak havoc with the entire voyage and leave them adrift in uncharted waters, with no means of communicating with the Lande, and wholly unconnected with Realitye.

Thus, the Goode Rapaire, who on our behalfe has sailed into those Oceanes, and Faced those Dangers, and taken those mighty Riskes, and to them has been Loste.

Let us Praye.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:50 AM

Anyone have a pin? I can make MOM spin on that last number.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM

17171


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:40 AM

and it goes to show you just how clever Horatio was, to discover VDL in 1473 since he wasn't born until 1758.

On the other hand, he discovered STD in 1775; something that didn't please him or his Bitsy-witsy-woo at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:27 AM

Horatio Nelson (known to Lady Hamilton as "Iddy Wicky Woogums") discovered VDL in 1473, claiming it "for England, the King, and my Bitsy-Witsy-Woo [i.e., Lady Hamilton]."

Because he never understood the difference between Magnetic and True North, had flunked astronomical navigation at Sandhurst (he answered the question "What is the name of that big light that comes out at night?" as "George III"), and used a sextant backwards, he would sometimes move not only around in Space but back and forth in Time. His crew, in documents still kept under wraps by the Official Secrets Act, wrote that they also sailed on the canals of Barsoom, saw flying things drop exploding eggs in the Sandwich Islands, were silent upon a peak in Darien, saw slimy things crawl with legs upon a slimy sea, and nearly sank in tumult in a lifeless ocean. They also "crossed the T" of the Flying Dutchman and saw three kids sailing around in a wooden shoe. (Though these documents are very, very secret, librarians know How To Find Things Out.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:59 AM

*sigh* I knew it was too good to last.

it's ba-ack!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:50 PM

Although one of the early BRitish vessels to land in Tasmania was the Lady Nelso, Horatio never wa sinvolved in its discovery, Rapaire.

1618-1775
British felons under commuted death sentences sent to American (Virginia) colonies as indentured labour -- average 700 prisoners per year.

1642
Abel Lasman 'discovers' and names Van Dieman's Land

1770
Australia was 'discovered' by the British (though the Dutch had already named the area New Holland and had experienced at least 15 landings since 1606.) Cook documents location of Australia.

1772
First meeting of Tasmanian Aborigines and Europeans -- Marion du Fresne's French expetition lands, answering stones and spears with a fusillade fatal to at least 1 Aborigine.

1775
Because of American Revolution colonies cease to be useable drain for British prison overflow

1776
the American Declaration of Independence.
by 1802
Established sealing camps on Bass Straits islands -- sealers frequently raid Tasmania for Aboriginal women.

1803
(12 Sept) Lieutentant John Bowen, commissioned to found penal colony and hold VDL against possible French claims, arrives at Risdon Cove on the Derwent with 49 people incl. 24 convicts and 6 free settlers. (Jorgen Jorgenson on crew of Lady Nelson)
(Oct) First attempted escape -- by 7 prisoners. Soon after Lieutentant-Colonel David Collins, having rejected Port Phillip as unsuitable, arrives and founds colony with 268 people at Sullivans Cove (Hobart)
Estimated 2000-4000 Tasmanian Aborigines alive


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:45 PM

Not a bad way to go, but whisky would be even better.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 09:42 PM

Hey, you gotta be quick witted and nimble brained to keep up with MY tangents, sines, cosines, cotans, etc. As for Nelson's deviance, it was due to the degrees of difference between true North and Magnetic North. If Horatio (as we called him) had known that Magnetic North wasn't True North he wouldn't have discovered Van Dieman's Land, much less Trafalgar and Boothia. AND his crew wouldn't have had to ship him home pickled in brandy, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 07:09 PM

Which, in the best Rapaire fashion, neatly dodges the point I was making about Horatio's desire for precision at 1%.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 05:26 PM

You mention Horatio Nelson and deviancy in the same breath?

Well, so did his contemporaries.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:27 AM

not necessarily for the deviants, either, though usually.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:26 AM

You may think I meant "deviation", the variability of magnetic fields due to local disturbance. But deviancy -- the variability of human thought and behaviour due to local disturbance -- has been just as big a problem historically.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:15 AM

Rapaire:

The conquest of the Western world -- admittedly not a high-precision operation -- and the mastery of the briny oceans was accomplished with magnetic compasses whose accuracy was on the order of anywhere between 50% and 90%. Granted, a lot of ships got lost through the centuries, while we figured out means of correction for deviancy in the process. But I am sure Lord Nelson would have given his right eye for a precision of 1%.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:54 AM

You got it--a racket about numbers.

MOM just rolls her eyes and keeps on folding the laundry as you guys run around the kitchen with all of your math ideas.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:29 AM

Was it a numbers racket? Or just making a racket about numbers?

Glad you enjoyed the flick. I wil try and find Firelight.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:09 AM

Hey, Amos, that is a gently clever movie, but it wasn't a surprise. I've been reading and watching too many mysteries over the years, I guess. If I can keep up with Morse and Jane Tennyson I can easily see through the producer of this one. But I enjoyed the ride, so to speak, wondering when and how they would reveal all to the general audience. Lucky for those who didn't get it (my son being one, since he fell asleep half-way through) that the detective thinks it through the way he does. My man Hercule Poirot wouldn't quibble at the order in which the clues make an appearance, and they were ample to satisfy the avid mystery reader.

This seems to fit a mode of film that are coming out lately that are quite trim in their dialog, a cinematography visual feast, and that satisfy a particular audience--one that pays attention to the dialog, because things are generally only said once--and who pay attention to detail. These are counter to the big in your face Hollywood blockbusters, and I far prefer them (too bad they seem to go to DVD so quickly, then vanish). Merchant and Ivory on a diet, but with more skin. Have you seen the steamy, subtle, wonderful little flick Firelight? For some reason, it reached the screens of obtuse reviewers who had never read any 19th century British literature and who had no concept of what was really going on in the movie. It's a thinking woman's chick flick. Alas, the only version around in the US these days is one out of Hong Kong that was formatted for TV so it loses nearly half of the gorgeous cinematic effect. I finally got a European copy in wide screen and have computer software that lets me view it. I'm thinking I should write a viewers guide, for those who don't understand the few choices of genteel women in that society, the role of primogeniture, and for those who haven't read Bronte, Dickens, Hardy, and others, to explain how these kinds of stories work. One critic in Utah complained that this romance had sex in it. (!) I guess he hadn't read Jude the Obscure or Tess of the Durbervilles. The French Lieutenant's Woman meets Jane Eyre, mediated by Georgette Heyer.

Okay, back to the numbers racket you guys were running. MOM is just biding her time, she doesn't understand a word of it but knows you'll get it out of your systems soon enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 09:15 AM

Just tell everyone you weren't working in base 10 because you had been thinking, deeply, of mathematics in other bases. Base .93826049, for example. People will be impressed by your mathematical acumen. They'll think you're nuts, but they'll be impressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 08:54 AM

I not only can't add, I can't type or prufred.

7 + 3+ 1 = 11


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:16 PM

A precision of 1%?? 1%?? And they call that accurate? And the results are "close" the predictions of the general theory? Yeah, right. I tried that in high school physics and the teacher wouldn't have it. I mean, come on! Would you trust your life to a compass that had a precision of 1%? Do you know where you'd be in a thousand miles? And "close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Geez, and they call themselves scientists!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:28 PM

And FURTHERMORE,....
GRAVITY PROBE B, the orbiting observatory devoted to testing the
general theory of relativity, has measured the geodetic effect-the
warping of spacetime in the vicinity of and caused by Earth-with a
precision of 1%. The basic approach to studying this subtle effect
is to monitor the precession of gyroscopes onboard the craft in a
polar orbit around the Earth. The observed precession rate, 6.6
arc-seconds per year, is close to that predicted by general
relativity. The geodetic effect can be measured in several ways,
including the use of clocks, the deflection of light, and the
perturbative influence of massive bodies on nearby gyroscopes.


The gyroscopes themselves-four of them for
redundancy-are the most nearly spherical things ever made: the
ping-pong-ball-sized objects are out of round by no more than 10
nm. They are electrostatically held in a small case, spun up to
speeds of 4000 rpm by puffs of gas. The gas is then removed,
creating a vacuum of 10^-12 torr. Covered with niobium and reposing
at a temperature of a few kelvin, the balls are rotating
superconductors, and as such they develop a tiny magnetic signature
which can be read out to fix the sphere*s instantaneous
orientation. (For more information see einstein.stanford.edu)




THese guys are soooo sexy.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:24 PM

MORE GOOD NEWS!! THREE NEUTRINOS MORE OR LESS CONFIRMED!!!

ONE NEUTRINO ANOMALY HAS BEEN RESOLVED while another has sprung up.
A Fermilab experiment called MiniBooNE provides staunch new evidence
for the idea that only three low-mass neutrino species exist. These
results, reported over the past week at a Fermilab lecture and at
the American Physical Society (APS) meeting in Jacksonville,
Florida, seem to rule out two-way neutrino oscillations involving a
hypothetical fourth type of low-mass neutrino.
Several experiments have previously shown that neutrinos, very light
or even massless particles that only interact via gravity and the
weak nuclear force, lead a schizoid life, regularly transforming
from one species into another. These neutrino oscillations were
presumably taking place among the three known types recognized by
the standard model of particle physics: electron neutrinos, muon
neutrinos, and tau neutrinos. However, one experiment, the Liquid
Scintillator Neutrino Detector (LSND) experiment at Los Alamos,
provided a level of oscillation that implied the existence of a
fourth neutrino species, a *sterile neutrino,* so-called because
it would interact only through gravity, the weakest of physical
forces. (For background see Physics Today, August 1995 and
http://www.aip.org/pnu/1995/split/pnu239-1.htm and
http://www.aip.org/pnu/1996/split/pnu269-1.htm) From the start,
this result stood apart from other investigations, especially since
it suggested possible neutrino masses very different from those
inferred from the study of solar or atomospheric neutrinos or from
other accelerator-based neutrino experiments.

MiniBooNE (whose name is short for Booster Neutrino Experiment; the
*mini* refers to the fact that they use one detector rather than
the
originally proposed two) set out to resolve the mystery. The
experiment proceeds as follows: protons from Fermilab*s booster
accelerator are smashed into a fixed target, creating a swarm of
mesons which very quickly decay into secondary particles, among them
a lot of muon neutrinos. Five hundred meters away is the MiniBooNE
detector. Although muon neutrinos might well oscillate into
electron neutrinos, over the short run from the fixed target to the
detector one would expect very few oscillations to have occurred.
The Fermilab detector, and the LSND detector before it, looked for
electron neutrinos. Seeking to address directly the LSND
oscillation effect, Fermilab tried to approximate the same ratio of
source-detector distance to neutrino energy. This ratio sets the
amount of likely oscillation. The Los Alamos experiment used 30 MeV
neutrinos observed after a 30 m distance; the Fermilab experiment
used 500 MeV neutrinos detected after a distance of 500 m.
The trick of doing this kind of experiment is to discriminate
between the few rare events in which an electron neutrino strikes a
neutron in a huge bath of mineral oil, thereby creating a
characteristic electron plus a slow moving proton, and the much more
common event in which a muon neutrino strikes a proton to make a
muon and proton. LSND saw a small (but, they argued, statistically
significant) number of electron neutrino events. MiniBooNE, after
taking into account expected background events, sees none. Thus
they see no oscillation and therefore no evidence for a fourth
neutrino.

Actually it*s not exactly true that they see no electron neutrinos.
At low neutrino energy they do see events, and this tiny subset of
the data remains a mystery, to be explored in further data taking
now underway using a beam of anti-neutrinos. At the APS meeting,
MiniBooNE co-spokesperson Janet Conrad (Columbia Univ) said that the
low-energy data are robust (meaning that a shortage of statistical
evidence or systematic problems with the apparatus should not be
major factors) and that some new physical effect cannot be ruled
out. At the very least, the low-energy data do not undo the new
assertion that the earlier LSND results cannot be explained by the
existence of a fourth neutrino type. (Fermilab press release and
figures, http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/images/BooNE-images.html)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:24 PM

Another of those gay marriage things, huh?

Well, speaking of that, let's make pi equal to 3.0000000000.... And round up e to 3.0000000000... instead of 2.71828182845904523536028....

Simplify! Simplify! (as Thoreau said)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:19 PM

It used to, Rapaire, but I think the Bush Administration snuck a change through while the Congress was on break...something to do with 10^1 being a queer number and not to be encouraged.





A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:05 PM

I always thought that 7 + 2 + 1 in base 10 equaled 10, not 11.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:52 PM

Spaw has volunteered to take the position for me, MM. His only stipulation is that he brings his own wind.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:35 PM

MOM! Amos is designated wind-singer and he's trying to get out of it!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:21 PM

SOmeone has to do it? Aw, shit. I thought it was voluntary and inspirational!! Damn!! I'm outta here, gonna find a new gig, dude. Jeeze, I wish someone hadda tole me.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:12 PM

That's okay, Amos. Just keep singing to the wind, and pissin' into the choir, selling that snow to the eskimo. *Someone* has to do it, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:09 PM

The real question about numbers, prime or otherwise, is why they work at all. It seems very counter-intuitive that threeness should alweays be the same amount. It seems very useful, of course, dealing with mechanics and budgets. But given the oscillating nature of particles in and out of existence, and the multiplicity of universes, I really don't see that three (or any other number) of anything is a very accurate statement -- it's a platonic abstraction.

The only way three bicycles are countable together is to ignore their huge array of differences in time, location, shape, color, age, and subatomic interactions and focus ONLY on their abstract similarity by which they fit into the meaning of the term bicycle. It's kind of like tribal-based metaphysics, where everything depends not on who you are but on what line of bllod descent enables you to claim belonging to one or another tribe, with concomitant status or lack thereof.

I think this is why some people are very reluctant to excel at math -- they don't like being force-marched into Platoville and buying into these required generalized forms, and ignoring the concrete, real and substantive distinctions which are so much more important.

In spite of this the numbermongers have already wo0n the battle, and the war, as anyone who keeps a checkbook knows, so I am just singing into the wind. Helas. Here's a toast to poets who won't be corraled into numbering things.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:36 AM

Ah--clever! I ignored that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:33 AM

I was answering the next question - where he asked "I wonder if there are any pr1m35 u cn add 2g37h3r 2 g37 4n073r pr1m3. "

which I read as "I wonder if there are any primes you can add together to get another prime."

and I was wrong, because 1+2 =3

and three prime combos work because 7 + 2 + 1 = 11
and others work too.


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