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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Bunnahabhain 14 Jul 06 - 06:03 PM
Amos 14 Jul 06 - 01:39 PM
Acme 14 Jul 06 - 11:39 AM
MMario 14 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM
Rapparee 14 Jul 06 - 11:25 AM
Acme 14 Jul 06 - 11:22 AM
Amos 14 Jul 06 - 09:42 AM
MMario 14 Jul 06 - 09:39 AM
Rapparee 14 Jul 06 - 09:33 AM
MMario 14 Jul 06 - 09:17 AM
Rapparee 14 Jul 06 - 09:14 AM
Amos 14 Jul 06 - 12:40 AM
Acme 13 Jul 06 - 11:35 PM
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Amos 13 Jul 06 - 08:49 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 06:03 PM

I'm off to here for a week, bashing rocks and such like. Maybe even learning stuff too.

This is the other side of hadons wall, so I will be out of phase with Moab for some time, and if I attempt to make any posts, Gluon will eat them....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 01:39 PM

If you look to see whether Gluon is on the bed or not, you will be disappointed by the unreliability of the observation. Once you observe him, he immediately looks just like a cat.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 11:39 AM

Tea. Cuppa tea. I've been trying to cut back on the caffiene. I have a little headache. I'll be back later (the cat wants me to go take a nap with him--maybe I'll take up that invitation, and it sounds much more restful than sleeping with Gluon on the bed).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM

stilly dear - have some coffee. using his REAL name woudln't have worked....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 11:25 AM

Are any of you aware of the newly discovered "fat" particle, the shatnor? It's one dimensional, has an interesting spin, covers its "up" with a cloud of quarks, and sometimes goes out of phase.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 11:22 AM

Isn't he Spiner?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:42 AM

A boson is a particle,
A sort of tiny article
But a boatswain may be what you're thinking
Of (unless you have been drinking).
Not an officer, wears no hat,
Much too competent for that!
Bosn's know the ins and outs
Of evey line and rope about
And where's the lead, and where's the brush
And red-lead needed in a rush
And how to parcel, serve and splice,
ANd other talents not so nice.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:39 AM

yes, along with the clavicle and the herpologist


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:33 AM

I thought a spinon was a type of piano.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:17 AM

And it was Brent Spinon that played Data on Star Trek TNG.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:14 AM

Isn't a boson a ship's officer or something? I thing s/he has her/his own chair as well as his/her own whistle. And didn't hadron build that wall in Britain that seperated it from Scotland or someplace? (I only ask these things because I'm an aware person.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 12:40 AM

A was going to write a flowery pentametric sonnet concerning Rapaire's duckdob and it's relationship to the boson's hadron.

But my heart wasna in it.

I think Stilly has made a wise observation, also.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 11:35 PM

We understand, it has been a rough week.

Pity the poor civilian who tries a Google search today on "astronaut spatula" or on "spin-charge separation" and lands at Mudcat instead of the normal news sites. Finding our long drawn out discussions is liable to both confuse and inspire. Not necessarily at the same time or in the same folks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 10:23 PM

"SomethiNG", not "somethign". Somethign is a small town, unkempt and yet somehow squalid, a few miles north of Corn Creek.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 10:21 PM

That's "duckdog", not "duckdob." A duckdob is Something Else Entirely and is hardly somethign to discuss in polite company.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 10:04 PM

Ever see Gluon chase her/his tail? That duckdob's known all about spinons and holons all along.

I'd like to know what dimension the one-dimensional solid has, as I think that such knowledge is critical to understanding the experiment. Was it length? Width? Height? Time? And if there was mass how was that related to the monodimensionality of the SrCuO2?

Inquiring minds need to know these things.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 08:49 PM

NOW the cat is really out of the Schrodingerian bag:

"The theory has been around for more than 40 years, but only now has it been confirmed through direct and unambiguous experimental results. Working at the Advanced Light Source (ALS) of the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, a team of researchers has observed the theoretical prediction of electron "spin-charge separation" in a one-dimensional solid. These results hold implications for future developments in several key areas of advanced technology, including high-temperature superconductors, nanowires and spintronics.

Just as the body and wheels of a car are thought to be intrinsic parts of a whole, incapable of separate and independent actions, i.e., the body goes right while the wheels go left, so, too, are electrical charge and spin intrinsic components of an electron. Except, according to theory, in one-dimensional solids, where the collective excitation of a system of electrons can lead to the emergence of two new particles called "spinons" and "holons." A spinon carries information about an electron's spin and a holon carries information about its charge, and they do so as separate and independent entities. Numerous experiments have tried to confirm the creation of spinons and holons, referred to as spin-charge separation, but it took the technological advantages offered at ALS Beamline 7.0.1, also known as the Electronic Structure Factory (ESF), to achieve success.

In a paper published in the June 2006 issue of the journal Nature Physics, researchers have reported the observation of distinct spinon and holon spectral signals in one-dimensional samples of copper oxide, SrCuO2, using the technique known as ARPES, for angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy. The research was led by Changyoung Kim, at Yonsei University, in Seoul, Korea, ALS scientist Eli Rotenberg, and Zhi-Xun Shen of Stanford University, a leading authority on the use of ARPES technology. Co-authoring the Nature-Physics paper with them were Bum Joon Kim and Hoon Koh, plus S.J. Oh, H. Eisaki, N. Motoyama, S. Uchida, T. Tohyama, and S. Maekawa.

"There have been claims of observing the two peak spectral structures of spin-charge separation in the past, but they turned out to be wrong or have plenty of ambiguity. This was primarily because those results were obtained from complicated materials and were not theoretically backed up," said Kim, who has spent several years investigating the spin-charge separation phenomenon. "Our observations using ARPES are direct and the results are unambiguous because they were obtained from a simple material that left little room for misinterpretation. Also, our results are theoretically backed up."

Said Shen, "Our results confirming the idea of spin-charge separation are important because they reveal deep insights into the quantum system - and the beauty and subtleties associated with it. From this study we know more about how the collective behavior of a system of particles can be so fundamentally different from that of the constituent individuals."

The idea behind spin-charge separation is that electrons behave differently when their range of motion is restricted to a single dimension, as opposed to three or even two dimensions. When moving through one dimension, for example, the electrons are lined up head-to-tail, making the repulsive force between their negative electrical charges overridingly dominant. The restricted movement of electrons through one-dimensional material was expected to give rise to collective effects that would be strong enough to break the information flow of spin and charge from a single electron. "



Kinda makes it hadron the rest state of us, doesn't it?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 07:00 PM

Use this. Inaccurate, but quietly malfunctional.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 06:12 PM

We're agreed it's heavily armed though? If so, I'm borrowing it. A bunch of Italian teenagers with attitude are about a brief lesson that they are not the loudest thing going, and don't have to try......


BTW I found out what was wrong with the car the dog was driving. It was an automatic....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 05:34 PM

Pets were called "Sam"??

Okay, Mr. Smarty Pants, then how do you account for this, huh? It's the only surviving picture of a Spat (identified by the word "Women's" on the aircraft).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 05:19 PM

When your memory starts to go, forget it, Rapaire. That plane was not a "Spat", it was a "Spayed", and the pilot's name was "Spade Sam", who was so glamorized in the popular press in his days as a dogfighter that pets all over the nation were named after him.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:35 PM

Wasn't the Spatula a WW1 biplane fighter used by the Allies? I think I've heard references made to a "Spat". I think it was sort of like the French Nieuport or the German Albatross, only mounting twin 75mm cannon instead of Lewis guns. Again, if memory serves me correctly not many were built. I also seem to remember that the fighter ace Dempsey "Crash" Smutts flew one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:06 PM

spatulas can do that. which is why you are cautioned never to bring them out in mixed company.

did I mention the wedding reception I was at a couple weeks ago - they were given a lovely ceramic pot - and the bride and groom looked at each other and cried 'Spaula holder!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 03:49 PM

Whoooo! A little deja vu with that last entry. I read the very same story somewhere else just a little while ago and thought I stuck it in here by accident.

I will feel better in a minute. It's the reappearance of the spatulas that has made me light-headed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 03:43 PM

Especially the four-legged ones? People who don't have opposable thumbs shouldn't be allowed to drive, is what I say....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:29 PM

This confirms my opinion of Utah drivers.

Dog Blamed for Hitting Woman With Truck
        
OGDEN, Utah (AP) -- A police dog that was left in a pickup with the engine running apparently knocked the vehicle into gear and ran down a woman who was walking to her mailbox.

Mary F. Stone, 41, was expected to remain hospitalized with a fractured pelvis and tailbone until at least Friday, said her husband, Paul Stone.

The dog, a German shepherd named Ranger, had been left in the truck while its handler responded to a domestic disturbance call Tuesday, police Lt. Loring Draper said. The truck's engine was on so Ranger would have air conditioning.

Draper said Ranger must have hit the shift on the steering column, putting the automatic transmission into gear. As the truck slowly rolled forward, police officers yelled to Stone, but she couldn't get out of the way in time, he said.

A front and rear tire ran over her. "She had tire marks on her clothes," her husband said.

The truck then went through the Stones' yard and struck a vehicle in the driveway.

Draper said police were trying to determine if there might have been some malfunction that would have allowed the gear shift to be moved easily.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:00 PM

The gender (actually the sex) of duckdogs matters only to other duckdogs and I think there's only one. This is more of those dark matters duckdogs think about.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:45 PM

I thought it was that a duckdog could only have gender when unobserved.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:41 PM

It is a good point you make, Rapaire -- that given a duckdog in motion, the gender of same will be indeterminate; and if it is stopped in order to determine his/her gender it will only have one temporarily until it is set free again.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:22 AM

Gluon. S/he knows all about dark matters.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:41 AM

You chose the wrong binary, BWL: it isn't "light/dark" it's "light/heavy" as in the weight of the material being generated here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:21 AM

I think that that, too, seems naturally suited to a man of Rapaire's bent.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:04 PM

Who gets to do the dark thinking?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:04 PM

No, no, I don't want you to strain yourself. You can't depend upon your Depends if you strain too hard, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:49 PM

Tell you what; I will let you do the light thinking, as you take to it so naturally.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,CC Rapaire again
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:46 PM

Quick! Everybody together now! Let's all think for Amos!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Curiously Cookieless Rapaire
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:32 PM

Amos, it's okay. I'll be happy to do all the heavy and light thinking for you. I don't want you to blow out your cerebellum or herniate your occipital lobe or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 08:17 PM

In your company, good sir, further exertion would be a waste, and once a year generates far more material than I find can be absorbed therein.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 02:22 PM

Amos thinks at least once a year, need it or not!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:10 AM

Well that's a relief! What oozed through by "accident" is bad enough. . .

Amos, that sounded like a little conversation one might have heard in the bar in The Sun Also Rises. Doncha think?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 09:43 AM

I shall not pun today. I shall not open that door ever a tiny crack. Puns are the excrement of small minds. Puns are only for those who cannot find real humor within or without themselves. No, I shall not pun today. I shall not tell the story of the Middle Eastern leader who got off a carousel and was immediately eaten by the center one of three young sheep, causing the shepherd to exclaim, "Middle lamb, you've had a dizzy Bey!" Nor shall I tell of the poker-playing automaton that had heavy weights piled upon it, forcing the owner to say, sadly, "It will take jacks or better to open." No, the good news is that I will not pun today.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 09:35 AM

Well, B. said to N. that he wouldn't spend the evening alone with a book, that he wanted something interesting to do. N. offered various suiggestions -- interesting bars were "too plebeian" and restaurants "too materialistic". B. insisted he wanted something cultured, but not challenging -- "a comforting sort of cultural" thing to do. B. strode around the room expostulating on the dullness of life. N. suggested tango. No. N. offered jazz -- too challenging. B was sure there was something out there with just the right balance of warmth, adventure, comfort and beauty. N. said, How about flamenco guitar? I know a senor who performs in a Castellano restaurant across town. "Flamenco? Oh, that's close..." thought B. But then B. allowed that these Castilian dons were stuffy and puffed up. "Something Portuguese, then?" offered N. "Yes! Yes!" cried B. "A portuguese gypsy music dancer or guitariste! But not a man, no!! No stilted Dons for me! Call a Dona, N!"

Ya think? I dunno.... the line, "He wasn't that shaggy!" comes to mind....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:30 AM

The Poetry round here is appalling,
As the language is given a mauling,
Rhymes, I must say,
Just get in the way,
And my hopes of sucess are still falling.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:47 PM

A lassie from fair Inverness
Had a most magnificent ass,
Not rounded and pink
As you probably think,
But gray, had long ears, and ate grass.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:44 PM

As I said to my friend when we spied someone who lived near the Don, "Look Cal! A Donian!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 08:35 PM

I'm sure there's a way. Did you ever listen to "My Word" years ago when it was on the BBC (and rebroadcast on the CBC, where I heard it)? What Frank Muir and Denis Norden could do to the English language--I still wince to think about "There are fairies at the bottom of our garden."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 07:47 PM

Unless anybody can form a pun on Caladonian, then I believe we're finished here...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:23 PM

And if you lost the fence, your spilled blood could be blue...a blue monkey's uncle. Not to be picty about it...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:28 PM

Well, Alba a monkey's uncle! It could run along the edge of the woad!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:39 AM

IF you took your Pict, Rapaire, you could have a nice white Pictic fence...


A


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