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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Kim C 12 Dec 03 - 04:45 PM
GUEST,Johnny Cash 12 Dec 03 - 11:40 AM
Little Hawk 12 Dec 03 - 11:31 AM
s6k 12 Dec 03 - 06:15 AM
khandu 11 Dec 03 - 10:35 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 11 Dec 03 - 10:22 PM
khandu 11 Dec 03 - 10:07 PM
khandu 11 Dec 03 - 09:49 PM
khandu 11 Dec 03 - 09:34 PM
Amos 11 Dec 03 - 07:31 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 11 Dec 03 - 06:41 PM
Rapparee 11 Dec 03 - 05:59 PM
Rapparee 11 Dec 03 - 04:27 PM
Amos 11 Dec 03 - 03:19 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 11 Dec 03 - 03:15 PM
Amos 11 Dec 03 - 03:00 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 11 Dec 03 - 02:34 PM
Tweed 11 Dec 03 - 12:15 PM
Little Hawk 11 Dec 03 - 11:32 AM
Rapparee 11 Dec 03 - 11:23 AM
Amos 11 Dec 03 - 10:45 AM
Tweed 11 Dec 03 - 10:37 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 10 Dec 03 - 11:50 PM
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Little Hawk 09 Dec 03 - 06:33 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 04:45 PM

Wha' happened? (she said, stretching and yawning...)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Johnny Cash
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 11:40 AM

You gotta walk it by yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 11:31 AM

That's cos no one else is willing to do it for you...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: s6k
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 06:15 AM

splodge


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 10:35 PM

Rightfully so...you are a Knower of Things, not a Knower of Shame!!

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 10:22 PM

I know no shame! I blatantly stole Rapaire's bit about P.R. being knocked up and used it over on the P.R. Announces Engagement thread. I am scum. I am lower than whale shit. I don't know what came over me. I apologize profusely.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 10:07 PM

No!!!!Stop with all the PMs, guys! I did not name Tweed as Royal WHORE...I named Penelope Rutledge!!

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:49 PM

A moment of respect for fellow Catter "Winter's Wages", who has departed this realm.

Enjoy the next leg of your journey, Lloyd!

k


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:34 PM

Hear ye! Hear ye! I, King khandu, do hereby proclaim & ordain Lady Penelope Rutledge to be the Royal Wholesome Harpy of Righteous Etiquette (Royal WHORE). She is to be given honor worthy of her position & title!

By command of the King!

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 07:31 PM

It all interests me, from nano-technology to simpler things. The miracle of how it all works is totally interesting to me.    The toilet is a mystery to me. How the water stays at the same level. Why you have to jiggle the handle sometimes and sometimes not.                  

Thus, Shatner, revealing the profundity of his actual anti-technical bent.

Now -- water seeks its own level naturally in response to the fact that it is a liquid under gravity with a stable molecular form. I mean, anybody except possibly Little Harg, and Penelope (coincidence? I don't think so!) knows that.

You only have to jiggle the handle when it leaks!! The reason is, if it doesn't leak, you don't NEED to jiggle the handle!! First law of engineering (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). I mean, this is baby steps. This is no star-fleet mystery!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 06:41 PM

Wow! If I ever get a cell phone I'm sure as hell not gonna program any speed-dial numbers.

Shat makes some valid points there. Why can they make an automatic coffeemaker that will automatically do everything but drink the stuff for ya, but they can't make a carafe that will pour the coffee into your cup without makin' a friggin' mess?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 05:59 PM

He has entered a whole new realm, a land previously unknown, going boldly where he has never gone before.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 04:27 PM

BW, are saying that Penelope missed a period? More than once? Is there a blessed event in the offing, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:19 PM

Shane would fail qualification on the basis of basic literacy, not tolerance!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:15 PM

And if Joe or Jeff refuse to reveal that IP address does that mean that Penelope is one of them?

I also think we can safely eliminate Gargoyle from the running. His misogyny is far too genuine.

On the other hand, the misogyny of Shane/Blind Drunk in Blind River (aka Canada's answer to jOhn fro9m Hull) is just enough of a put-on to make one wonder.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:00 PM

Well, BWL, we know that at least she can pretend to be Brit with reasonable persuasion; so she is probably not Bobert. It is conceivable that in a fit of underhanded, passive-aggressive pique, the character of Penelope Rutledge wa sin fact created by William Shatner, deseperate to reassert his claim to public attention through covert means, employing the last dregs of his already inadequate talents.

All we need to do is to ask Joe Offer or Pene Azul to reveal the IP number from which Ms Rutledge's posts originate and all will be revealed.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 02:34 PM

So the "Great Twillingsgate Mystery" aka "Who-the-fuck-is-Penelope?" continues....

These are the things we know for certain about Ms Rutledge:

Unless she posted under an even more fictitious name previously, her first post to the Forum was on 08/29/02. That means she is probably not Rapaire since his first post was on 11/02/02. It does not let any other regular Moabites off the hook.

She has posted 42 times as "Ms" and 3 times as "Ms." (with a period). This lack of consistency would seem to indicate that she is, in fact, a man since no woman liberated enough to use "Ms" is ever going to put a period after it.   

I have received a Personal Message from none other than jOhn from Hull in which he states that Ms Penelope Rutledge is not khandu! Does this mean that jOhn9 personally knows the portrayer of Ms Rutledge? Or could it mean that jOhn9 himself is Ms Rutledge and that the drunken-sod-who-can't-spell-or-type-worth-a-shit is a fiction? Or does it merely mean that jOhn9 is full of shit and was yankin' my crank?

She has posted to the MOAB 14 times (roughly 1/3 of all her posts) which would seem to indicate that she either is a MOABite or has romantic leanings toward a MOABite or is so enthralled by the literary quality of posts to the MOAB that she just can't stay away. At any rate, it seems that any time her name is mentioned here she posts a response within a short while.   Hmmm....

Tweed's obviously genuine distaste for the Ms Rutledge character would make it seem unlikely that he is her portrayer. It's almost impossible to create a character and not like him/her/it a little. Even Thomas Harris had to like Hannibal Lecter a liitle or he wouldn't have kept writing books about him.

In the final analysis, what we know for certain about Ms Penelope Rutledge is diddle-dee-shit.

For all we know, Penelope may be Max!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Tweed
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 12:15 PM

Yas, liddle harque, I reallyam not Pentapoles Ragass. Her connection to the Khning iz lately been only fleeting at best and I beleve she now has the title of Picker of Lint from Royal Khnutsack, which I reckon iz a coveted posishun in Twillingsgate society. Them peeples ways ar a mystery to me though.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 11:32 AM

Well, I'd say that that last post by Tweed proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that he is not Penelope Rutledge...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 11:23 AM

nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'?

Qo'noSDaq paw cha' DIvI'beq.
tlhIngan 'avwI' lughom.
lutlhob << naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'? >>.
jang 'avwI' << lIchopbe'chugh ghewmey >>.

...as the Klingons say.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 10:45 AM

Eh, toi -- d'ou as-tu appris parler au Roi en tel maniere? C'est vachement mauvais, je crois!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Tweed
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 10:37 AM

Az per uzull, His Hihgness iz right spot on. MOAB iz becoming a circle jerk.

A MISSIVE FOR KHING KHNADNUTZ,

I applaud yore insensitiveness yore Magisty, you are Khing and we, the vaguely loyal subjecks ar but a motley collection obv lowsome ducks, knowers obv a few things, royal bottom wipers and directors ob enemas and stewards of the royal biddette.

I speek fer all whether they agree publickly or no, that to surfife, the Mother must have more decrees from the palatial shotgun shack. Put down that bucket Khnardzoz, and get bizzy afore we degenerate back to unintelligibble gibbering in pidjin French er Mexican er Klingon for ar amusement. You are Khning so ack like one or I will ax forgiveness and a boon from Queen Carol the CrapperQueen and she will depose yore sorry, pathetic, stopped-up ass.

Yer Humble Sarvant,
Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 11:50 PM

Now methinks King khandu has been cloned. The reason for his long absence has been made clear. The old King khandu would have said:

Constipated? Me, constipated? You're the one that's full of shit! And if I need a Royal Enema Deliverer it would be you, jerkoff!

And, while it's certainly nice not to be abused and belittled, I am a little concerned about this kinder, gentler khandu. Gotta be a clone.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:44 PM

The king humbly repents of his snide comment.
Constipation was the cause. My KOT bwl knew the problem, of course!
& methinks brucie would make a grand Royal Enema Deliverer !!

Let it be so!

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:44 PM

I'm in Floribama. That's the part of Florida that is physically in Florida, but culturally in Alabama. It's sometimes also known as "L.A." for "Lower Alabama". The good-old-boy to old-hippie ratio is about 99/1 but they leave us alone and we just make our pots and play our music.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:18 PM

I'll buy Britneym but only if it is the first time. BWL, your place sounds great. Lotsa room for tents and such and a solar-powered sound stage in the middle of the island would be wayyyy cool., no??

What state, other than General Confusion, is your place in? Location-wise?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:02 PM

Methinks our King is, perhaps, constipated. Did he not proclaim someone Royal Enema Deliverer some months ago? If not, I nominate nonMOABite Mudcatter "Brucie".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:50 PM

That was an insensitive comment, Khandu, not befitting a royal personage. I hope you are truly repentant.

I like the idea of selling Britney over and over again. After all, that is exactly what her management team is doing, and it's worked magnificently. We stand to make a fortune, people!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:44 PM

I had in mind something like Woodstock 1. A gathering of peace, love, and BS. Motherstock. MOABstock. MOABmont. Too many people, too few latrines or portapotties, lots of bad dope, days of rain and mud.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:36 PM

Is MOAB becoming a circle jerk? Who's holding the bucket?

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:30 PM

Well, my suggestion of Arches National Park was based solely on its proximity to Moab, Utah. I've never been there. In fact, the only place I've ever been in Utah is the Salt Lake City airport. But I should have known that it would be overrun with SUV's. Edward Abbey was bemoaning its slide toward industrial tourism back in the 60's when he wrote Desert Solitaire.

But if you wanna have it at something like a farm, I will gladly donate the use of my humble homestead. We have eight acres with access to 60 more acres behind us that nobody lives on. It's mostly uncleared woods, but we've made lots of paths through them so people can get lost wandering around behind the little animals. We have a one-acre pond with an island in the middle and banks that form a natural amphitheatre and it's wired for sound. All we'd have to do is build a stage and dig a couple of latrines (I don't think our indoor composting toilet could handle the crowd). Lotsa snakes and possums and armadillos wanderin' around at night to get in people's tents (I'm assuming camping is cool with everyone - no motels for many miles and you can't all stay in my little two-room cabin).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:45 PM

We lure Britney to the gathering and sell her. Over and over and over and over and over and you get the idea. Nothing tawdry, mind you, just dinner and a drink. This here's a genteel gentile operation.

Bee dubya ell, please reconsider that site you suggested. It's full of yuppies on unicycles and suchlike trash pretty much year 'round.   Maybe we could find a farm or something nearby to rent for the festival.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:00 PM

Damn, LH! We haven't even worked out how to pay the paltry few thousand bucks The Shat wants and you're wanting to book Barbi and Britney to boot? Man! Those bitches charge some big bucks.

How 'bout we just go down to a couple of strip clubs and find the two dancers that look the most like B & B and offer 'em...

Naw! That wouldn't work either. The one that looks like Britney's probably gettin' more money stuffed in her garter than than Bill Gates makes, and the one that looks like Barbara, well... what strip club owner would hire a dancer that looks like Barbara? They don't let 'em dance with bags over their heads, do they?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 03:22 PM

Very neat sites, people, and they all look about large enough to complement Mr Shatner's persona adequately. I wonder if we could book in Barbra and Britney as well?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 01:17 PM

Nope. Gotta be HERE. Why? Because it's within spittin' distance of Moab, Utah.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:39 PM

A site reflecting Shatner's elevated consciousness is in order, such as this one, for certain.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:27 PM

LH, what's your cut?

I suggest that the site chosen reflect Mr. Shatner's abilities. Perhaps
here or maybe here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:09 PM

Have been in touch with Mr Shatner. He was reasonably positive to the idea of a Mudcat gathering in his honour, provided that Peg jumps out of the cake and he is paid a small honorarium of say, a few thousand dollars, for showing up and giving a speech.

So...who wants to provide a venue for this event? And how do we raise the cash?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 08:59 PM

Rustic Rebel rambling, refreshing,reflecting, relieving,,rendezvousing,repairing,responding, resounding,resting, resurrecting, reassuring,retroflexing,runtricate road is exacactly what I was gonna name the most beautiful gravel road in downtown MOAB, MS!!

Indeedy...great minds are at work!!!

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 06:33 PM

I didn't know that cat shit was capable of mutation. Interesting.

Yes, well, Britney is a sort of ephemeral creature to be selected as a deity, but she's the best candidate we have just at the moment for the number 3 position. I'm sure that others will come along in due time.

Bee-dub, you are right. Shatner will NEVER be unseated! He is omnipotence personified.

As for Streisand, she has always viewed herself as a deity anyway, from what I've heard. I can't wait to hear her do an album of duets with Big Bill. They could team up on "Proud Mary", and Britney could dance in the video.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 02:27 PM

RR --

I understand and am often tempted to wander down that path my own self -- and always regret it when I do!! Lately I have been fighting it off in order to appease the Great Godhead Bathroomius Scalius, whose condemnation is without bounds and whose power reaches all parts of mortal life.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 02:19 PM

Thank-you Amos, for your eloquent summation on my state of inebriation, and your caring words. Yes, I do feel like mutated cat shit today.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 12:58 PM

I sincerely doubt that the Being Known as Britney Spears has gone very far within, certainly is not timeless, and would most likely have little to offer in the way of divine insight. However,this being a BS thread, anything may be admitted no matter how ridiculous!.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 11:30 AM

Well, as reflected in my post of 08 Dec 03 - 11:27 PM, I also have some reservations about including Ms Spears in the Holy Trinity. As I pointed out, she is not entirely personally responsible for the BS that surrounds her. It is the product of a huge massive BS producing machine and she is just the pustule at the center. Furthermore, she is so young that it is conceivable that she may yet realize the error of her ways and become something of far more use to society than the caricature of a musical performer that is her current persona. It's not too late for her to embark on a worthwhile career as a lap dancer, but she better get a move on before they start to sag. I'd put a dollar bill in her garter, but I damn sure wouldn't by her CD's.

Anyway, who said that the Holy Trinity of BS has to be a static, permanent, unchanging thing? Is it not in the nature of BS to be slippery, slimy and hard to hold onto? I say that we should anoint Holy Trinity of BS as proposed with the stipulation that none of the positions need be absolutely permanent. If someone with a higher BS quotient comes along, someone just might get bumped (though it's really hard to imagine anyone unseating Shatner).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 11:27 AM

So, then, (and I'm trying to understand, being but a wanderer on this plane of existence myself) the Trinity has Gone Beyond the dimensionality in which we exist and has found their own Way And Place, somewhere Outside? And that They appear to us as They do because we can perceive only small fraction of Themselves? Could They be looking inwardly so much that They endanger themselves into becoming Philosophical and Theological Black Holes? And if so, do They shine all the brighter from Their other ends?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 11:17 AM

Exactly. Time doesn't exist for the Divine, except as a device by which to measure change in an illusory world which equates to a sort of ongoing stage play. We are in that play, where illusion is the order of the day, and the boundaries are secured by Trinity. (up, down, and sideways)

Now if 4 dimensions turns your crank, then work with the Native American traditions or the old Earth religions (fire, water, air, and earth) or a number of others. It's a perfectly valid approach also. You can also work with divisions of 5, 6, or 7 or more. They ALL work. 7 is particularly interesting, and is found in the Native American traditions as well as 4. According to Native tradition, there are 7 directions: up, down, left, right, in front, behind, and within! (the last is the most mysterious of all, and it is in mastering the last that one finds Truth or enlightenment, timelessness, and Eternity).

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 09:11 AM

No, LH, WE live in a four-dimensional universe, the fourth being Time. Being Eternal, any Trinity must perforce exist in a Universe where Time doesn't exist. There would be the three dimensions we are so familiar with, but not Time. Instead there would be another dimension (or perhaps more), call it Timelessness. Since your Holy Trinity of Billy, Barby, and Britty would exist in this Other Dimensionality, both they are their music would be Timeless, Eternal.

Perhaps, when you achieve Nirvana or Valhalla or Heaven or whatever you will find yourself surrounded by their Songs and enfolded into Their cosmic Group.





















"Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company," as Mark Twain said.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 08:50 AM

Awwww RR, you do say the sweetest unintelligible things!

I just hope you took some aspirin last night and got plenty of sleep!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 04:17 AM

P.S.- I'm inclined to think I should also have a gravel road named after myself. I bow to the merciful road namer and would like to submit- Rustic Rebel rambling, refreshing,reflecting, relieving,,rendezvousing,repairing,responding, resounding,resting, resurrecting, reassuring,retroflexing,runtricate road.
Thank-you for consideration and I will be in your unmost debt, if you take me seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 03:52 AM

I can't even read this bullshit entirly. All I read is you all are making Brittany Spears somekind of 'figure'into this wonderfully enlightening thread for humankind, and it makes me want to go out to my favorite puking tree and puke.
I thought we had more class than that, but in the past I have been known to be corrected, and in the future I am sure someone will try to fuck with my way of thinking and try to correct me again.
All I am saying... is you can put class into a spear, but you can't take the spear out of the...
No I'm not saying that, that was another self, unfamiliar to me,
You can take the spear out of the jar, and then you can eat it with a self indulgent fear that it was too young to have even opened the jar,
no.... I think I was once again invaded by a spirit I am not familiar with,
What I really want to say is, you boys ought to get yourselves a hobby.


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