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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Amos 11 Jan 11 - 08:37 PM
Eiseley 11 Jan 11 - 10:27 PM
Ebbie 11 Jan 11 - 11:31 PM
Rapparee 11 Jan 11 - 11:54 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jan 11 - 12:30 AM
Amos 12 Jan 11 - 01:53 AM
GUEST,Yoda 12 Jan 11 - 03:19 AM
Rapparee 12 Jan 11 - 10:14 AM
Acme 12 Jan 11 - 11:24 AM
Amos 12 Jan 11 - 12:38 PM
GUEST,Eiseley 12 Jan 11 - 12:46 PM
MMario 12 Jan 11 - 01:00 PM
Amos 12 Jan 11 - 01:00 PM
Rapparee 12 Jan 11 - 03:54 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jan 11 - 05:08 PM
Amos 12 Jan 11 - 09:23 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jan 11 - 09:31 PM
Rapparee 12 Jan 11 - 10:53 PM
Acme 12 Jan 11 - 11:00 PM
Amos 12 Jan 11 - 11:41 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Jan 11 - 11:49 PM
Little Hawk 13 Jan 11 - 12:03 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 13 Jan 11 - 01:38 AM
Amos 13 Jan 11 - 09:56 AM
Rapparee 13 Jan 11 - 10:00 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 08:37 PM

SUrely we can also thank Mister Donne for that bit of English grace?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 10:27 PM

Home again! The boys are wrestling on the oriental carpet, the cat won't let me out of her sight. There is a dusting of snow on the unused car (I hid the keys before I left). I miss the friends (and the weather) in San Diego, but it is good to be home. Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.

(That last line, by the way, from Lycidas, is the kind of poetryfied syntax that especially irritates me. Do you agree, Amos?)

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 11:31 PM

Every now and again, Sage, I drop in- scary as it is.

What made me open it this time is the fear of what will happen when the count hits 40,000. There will be rioting in the streets. I only hope it will be but virtual.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 11:54 PM

40,000 will be pastures new and manured fresh, skies of azure and sunbeams golden 'neath clouds puffy, where boys and girls young and innocent will gambol and frolic lamb-like in wonder new, coating their shoes new with the manure fresh to the dismay of their mothers irritated.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 12:30 AM

The most exciting thing about reaching 40,000 is that William Shatner may grace us with his presence, albeit briefly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 01:53 AM

Rapparee:

Go wash your mouth out with soap, lye, and water cold, and change you skivvies, standard, tight, white, large.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Yoda
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 03:19 AM

Brilliant you are, Rapparee. Awesomely impressive is your descriptive prose. Impressed I am.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 10:14 AM

Why, shucks, Ah'm jist a major English old from the Midwest great, said he, his feet in the dust shuffling.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:24 AM

Nitpicking, Amos. The point was that Hemingway could have played with the words and ended up with egg on his face. You know, dumbing down, such as taking the perfectly fine "Scylla and Charybdis" and referring to them as "a rock and a hard place."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 12:38 PM

So fallen! so lost! the light withdrawn
Which once he wore!
The glory from his gray hairs gone
Forevermore! . . .
Of all we loved and honored, naught
Save power remains; . . .
All else is gone; from those great eyes
The soul has fled: . . .
Walk backward, with averted gaze,
And hide the shame!

(Whittier on Rapparee)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Eiseley
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 12:46 PM

Well, I don't think he's exactly SOUL-less. Heartless at times, sure, but as far as I could tell he still has a soul.

. . . unless he's sold it.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 01:00 PM

I believe he only pawned it; so there is hope for redemption.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 01:00 PM

Oh, well, yeah, I concede that...he has a soul. I saw it, glimmering faintly in the depths of his mind after a few drinks at the Getaway. Then he went off toward his cabin, and he came back a few minutes later dressed up as the personification of Death. Musta got inspired or sompn...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 03:54 PM

Envy does not become you, Amos. You'll have to try to have something else become you. But there's a long list to chose from: lust, gluttony, despair, simony, blasphemy, heresy, hubris, extortion, embezzlement, homicide, necromancy...why, the list goes on and on and on....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 05:08 PM

I'm sure there is an incoherent, rambling shibboleth out there somewhere just yearning to become Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 09:23 PM

There is no single being in the Universe, good friends, who would not feel it was something to aspire to on a particularly lovely day.

Assuming he could even imagine the delights thereto appertaining!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 09:31 PM

Heh! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 10:53 PM

Yeah, but what about them beings OUTSIDE the Universe? Huh? What about them??


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:00 PM

Leave them to Little Hawk, and let Gluon channel them occasionally.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:41 PM

They are my sentries, sir; and your sentries, as well.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:49 PM

Amos: "There is no single being in the Universe, good friends, who would not feel it was something to aspire to on a particularly lovely day."

..unless we are all a part of that 'single being'....perhaps we should consider acting like it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 12:03 AM

Aha! An excellent point, my friend. How goes the music?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 01:38 AM

Very well, thank you!!! Been spending A LOT of time in the 'Basement'(rehearsing). Got a concert to do, mid February. Just met with a female vocalist, from New Zealand, earlier tonight. She's working on her new album...but, she's going to come on for a 'guest appearance'..at least, that's what the plan is. I'm pulling out a song for her, written in '86, for her to try(?). She fell out over it!! I think you may have heard it. Love to send it to you..but can't E-mail it.Too big to fit. We should try sending a file, via IM...if we could ever get that together. You probably noticed that I've been away from the forum, for a bit...just now popping in for a few words, here and there.....in fact, I'm off to the 'Basement'
How's your project??? Hope its doing very well....if not, I'll write one for ya'!..but from what I heard, you should be going over well!!!

Yo-ho, and the very warmest regards!!!

You know, thinking, as I sit here...I just love the shit out of playing music!!!!

God Bless your Endeavors!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 09:56 AM

You raise one of the deepest issues in metaphysics--the nature of our spiritual connections. I think transcendant spiritual states are capable of complete union between beings, a condition of complete affinity unalloyed by any distance; but that such a state is easily do-able or undoable by the transcended soul, not a default condition of one-ness.

I could be horribly wrong about this, though! :D


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 10:00 AM

Amos, do you refer to McLuhan's "Global Village" or Teilhard de Chardin's "Omega Point"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 01:04 PM

No sir, I do not.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 01:21 PM

"You are old, Father William," the young man said,
"And your hair has become very white;
And yet you incessantly stand on your head --
Do you think, at your age, it is right?

"In my youth," Father William replied to his son,
"I feared it might injure the brain;
But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
Why, I do it again and again."

"You are old," said the youth, "as I mentioned before,
And you have grown most uncommonly fat;
Yet you turned a back-somersault in at the door --
Pray, what is the reason for that?"

"In my youth," said the sage, as he shook his grey locks,
"I kept all my limbs very supple
By the use of this ointment -- one shilling a box --
Allow me to sell you a couple?"

"You are old," said the youth, "and your jaws are too weak
For anything tougher than suet;
Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak --
Pray, how did you manage to do it?"

"In my youth," said his father, "I took to the law,
And argued each case with my wife;
And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw,
Has lasted the rest of my life."

"You are old," said the youth, "one would hardly suppose
That your eye was as steady as ever;
Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose --
What made you so awfully clever?"

"I have answered three questions, and that is enough,"
Said his father, "Don't give yourself airs!
Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
Be off, or I'll kick you downstairs.


It's been a while.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 01:31 PM

Is Eisley implying somone is *old*?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 03:40 PM

The Old Man's Comforts
And How He Gained Them

   by Robert Southey*

"You are old, father William," the young man cried,
    "The few locks which are left you are grey;
    You are hale, father William, a hearty old man;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "In the days of my youth," father William replied,
    "I remember'd that youth would fly fast,
    And abus'd not my health and my vigour at first,
    That I never might need them at last."

    "You are old, father William," the young man cried,
    "And pleasures with youth pass away.
    And yet you lament not the days that are gone;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "In the days of my youth," father William replied,
    "I rememberd that youth could not last;
    I thought of the future, whatever I did,
    That I never might grieve for the past."

    "You are old, father William," the young man cried,
    "And life must be hast'ning away;
    You are cheerful and love to converse upon death;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "I am cheerful, young man," father William replied,
    "Let the cause thy attention engage;
    In the days of my youth I remember'd my God!
    And He hath not forgotten my age."


*Who also wrote "Goldilocks and the Three Bears"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 03:57 PM

"You are old, father Amos," the young man cried,
    "And what hair you have left is all puce;
    You are hailed, father Amos, by bailiffs and cops
    And I do not believe it a ruse."

    "In the days of my youth," father Amos replied,
    "I remember'd to get out of town fast,
    And abus'd not my health and my vigour at first,
    In case her old man caught us at last."

    "You are old, father Amos," the young man cried,
    "And your friends have all passed away.
    And yet you lament not the friends that are gone;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "In the days of my youth," father Amos replied,
    "I framed all of my friends;
    I thought of the future, whatever I did,
    So that they would hang for my sins."

    "You are old, father Amos," the young man cried,
    "And life must be hast'ning away;
    You are cheerful and love to converse upon death;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "I am cheerful, young man," father Amos replied,
    "And now your full attention's begun;
    In the days of my youth I practiced my aim,
    So I can shoot the balls off a flea with my gun,
    Now DANCE, ya damned little punk!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 04:29 PM

I love being the hero of your cvreative impulses, Rapp. But I think the earlier versions were definitely lacking. If you had not beat me to it, in the leisure ofyour retirement, I would have written an improvement upon them; but yours will serve for the nonce.

Speaking of the nonce, has anyone seen It? I know I had it just a little while ago, but it seems to have escaped My Attention (in which I had it held fast) and gone off somewhere. Fucking nonce is always up to some damn thing,...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 04:34 PM

1922, James Joyce, Ulysses Episode 16 "
"For the nonce he was rather nonplussed but inasmuch as the duty plainly devolved upon him to take some measures on the subject he pondered suitable ways and means during which Stephen repeatedly yawned."

Now, I have been, on several occasions, nonplussed for the nonce, but it doesn't pay, I tell ya. The nonce never appreciates it, not a word of thanks do you get, nor any repayment. You will never find the nonce being nonplussed for YOU, oh, no. It's not in its character to do that sort of thing for others. My advice is not to invest your efforts there, and to choose instead to be non-plussed for All Eternity, who at least might win a game or two, or even sweep the league.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 06:12 PM

Back to the Oneness thing...

In the Unmanifest, all are one. In the manifested state, all appear to be separate...like separate notes rising and fading out of the vast and omnipresent field of silence. Each note appears out of silence, sounds, then fades away and vanishes...back into silence. The silence is always there, but you don't notice it while you're focusing on a note or a group of notes.

Silence generally goes pretty much unnoticed...unless one focuses on it deliberately with real attention...or in a moment of inner stillness. Then it becomes very powerful. Without it there as a foundation, the many notes would have no field upon which to make their appearance.

That's what we're like in our manifested lives here. We are like notes arising out of a vast field of silence. When we return to that field, we are said to have "died", but what we have really done is we have rejoined the single state of formless unity that is the silence. Normal birth is birth into (the appearance of) separation. Death is rebirth into Oneness. (in my opinion)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 06:26 PM

True silence is awe inspiring. Many dusks up Kent County on a chilly fall day the wind dies completely and all stops. Nothing moves, not even mice in the leaves. There are no birds chirping, no squirrels nattering, nothing at all. I have snapped my fingers quietly near my ear to confirm that it is actually silent. It is eerie and humbling and peaceful - a strange mix of emotions instilled by nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:35 PM

There is a legend, written up by Tim O'Brien in his great book "The Things They Carried", about a platoon in Vietnam sent up a mountain to do nothing but observe -- to make no noise at all.

They sat for some days, and then the silence of the jungle on the slopes, cloaked in mist, began to talk to them. They heard music, gongs, many things, and finally they called in an airstrike to silence the silence, expending "about a billion dollars worth of ordnance" so that they wouldn't "go crazy."

I believe this is more than a legend....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:44 PM

Lewis Carroll wasn't the first to get his hands on Father William. And I think Eiseley has probably read it at least a couple of times here in MOAB because I recall pacing out the few posts to a big number stanza by stanza. About the only thing we haven't done to it is set it to music. Though I suppose if one poked around the depths of YouTube, there's something out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:00 PM

Eiseley has probably read it at least a couple of [DOZEN] times here in MOAB.

Yep.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:38 PM

Rap is stiff and sore. We just put up shelving for quilting fabric storage.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM

Yet another great palindrome!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Gust from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 09:53 PM

Oh, and back to the oneness thing again.....Maybe we are all cells of a larger being...Maybe, just like when cells think the grow independently of the whole natural system, in a body...its called 'cancer'. Maybe the entire being of 'we humans' are infested with 'cancerous' cells. It happens when toxins get into the system..you know, like politics and religion!!!!!...along with some other things....like thinking you are your body, and turning your body over to things it was not intended for, and reaping the STRESS that comes as a result of it!!!

Just a thought....................

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 09:56 PM

Rapparee: "..There is a legend, written up by Tim O'Brien in his great book...."

Shit, I knew Tim when he was in the 'Ophelia Swing Band' ..and that was before 'Hot Rise'!!!

A really great guy...and musician!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 10:56 PM

I disagree with LH's definitive assertion about the nature of the unManifest. I agree that this seems to be the case under certain conditions but I think the truth may be that there is an infinite number f unManifests, from each of which the entire universe may spring. This is much harder to explain. But that's irrelevant.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 11:03 PM

Amos: "....I agree that this seems to be the case under certain conditions but I think the truth may be that there is an infinite number f unManifests, from each of which the entire universe may spring. This is much harder to explain. But that's irrelevant."

Now that's what I call, a real itch to post SOMETHING!..anything!!......But, "This is much harder to explain. But that's irrelevant."


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:09 AM

I happen to think that the Universe We Know is part of a meal a Cosmic Giant ate and it gave him or her a bad tummy ache and so we're on the way up or down.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:13 AM

GtS:

Seems you didn't grok the post.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:30 AM

39200

Here, Mom, have a couple of warm blueberry muffins, a fresh orange I picked from Amos's backyard, and a hot pot of java.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:41 AM

It's clear that now our motley lot
Is hotly underway
And like an amok Hottentot
Is bound for Forty K!
We're thirty-nine and two for now,
Under the winter sun,
And none of us has even thoguht
About Kay Forty One.
But let it go, for now at least,
And let the young souls play
And sooner than an arrow lands
We'll land at Forty Kay!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM

There may well be an infinite number of Unmanifests, as you put it, Amos...but would they not all equate to "the Unmanifest"? I mean, given the fact that the Unmanifest has no dimension, therefore does not begin or end anywhere, it seems to me that there is really only one Unmanifest. ;-) But you could look at it as many if you wanted to, I suppose. Perhaps this is why the Hindus have so many gods and goddesses, beings with 10,000 arms, 20,000 legs, and 17,000 stomachs? But, hey...those are manifest, aren't they?!

GfS, Amos lives to post on the MOABST. Just like a dog lives to scratch itself. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 02:24 PM

I like that typo "Gust from Sanity." That tends to define his metaphysical hot air, doesn't it?

Eiseley, you've probably memorized a lot of Robert Frost by now, also. I seem to recall parsing them into many posts from some of my favorite poems as I hovered near Important Numbers. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 02:28 PM

My point is, we are not "cells of a larger being"; we are the tips of an infinity in each case, adding up to an infinity of infinities. THis is mathematically difficult, but metaphysically an ultimate sort of simplicity.

The belief that at some level we are inherently all One is very tricky, and possibly insidious in its trickiness.

A


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