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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 03:26 PM

I was just told they have sold 80k tickets. Good for the hotels.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 03:34 PM

Nice to see the local economy circulating so energetically!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 03:53 PM

SOtomayor just got approved.

Wow. Maybe there is hope for this country after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

Nine days, seven hours, seven minutes. I remember a post where I described paddling into the dark after a pre-dawn kayak launch, just pushing ahead into the blackness on faith. This is a similar adventure in biochemistry. Ya gotta ride the waves of despond knowing there is sunlight just down the road a piece.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 04:27 PM

"Frost's is a poetic world large and difficult enough to get lost in," he writes. He finds in Frost's poems an expression at once appealingly plain (sometimes deceptively so) and canny. By ­contrast, the poems of Wallace Stevens (championed by Ms. Vendler) are frequently "elusive to the point of ­incomprehension, their gorgeous structures of sound not put to the service of illuminating 'subjects'?human beings."

This quarrel mirrors one taking place in ­the classroom in recent decades, where Stevens has been largely on the rise as an academic fashion and Frost on the decline. It also recalls a famous exchange between the two poets, recounted by Frost's biographer ­Lawrence Thompson:

"The trouble with you, Robert, is that you write about?subjects."

"The trouble with you, Wallace, is that you write about?bric-a-brac."

(From a book review about poetry)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 06:26 PM

Are you talking to yourself again?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 11:13 PM

You dullard!! You witless Philistine!! You mousy drab of a ne'er-do-well!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 11:44 PM

You called?

I actually prefer Carl Sandburg to Robert Frost, although both are good. Used to be I also enjoyed TS Eliot, but now I'm not so sure he's as good as I once thought. Oh, he has his moments, sure. But I dunno.

Now, Yeats had a mind for image, story, and meter:



            The host is riding from Knocknarea
            And over the grave of Clooth-na-Bare;
            Caoilte tossing his burning hair,
            And Niamh calling Away, come away:
            Empty your heart of its mortal dream.
            The winds awaken, the leaves whirl round,
            Our cheeks are pale, our hair is unbound,
            Our breasts are heaving, our eyes are agleam,
            Our arms are waving, our lips are apart;
            And if any gaze on our rushing band,
            We come between him and the deed of his hand,
            We come between him and the hope of his heart.
            The host is rushing 'twixt night and day,
            And where is there hope or deed as fair?
            Caoilte tossing his burning hair,
            And Niamh calling Away, come away.


or

I think it better that in times like these
A poet's mouth be silent, for in truth
We have no gift to set a statesman right;
He has had enough of meddling who can please
A young girl in the indolence of her youth,
Or an old man upon a winter's night.


This is not to say that one IS better than another, but simply expresses my preferences now. But Frost is still good, as in

...Two roads diverged into a wood, and I,
I plowed straight ahead through the bush
And that has made all the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:41 AM

You painty-waiste! You tort feaser! You bowlegged, kerfustian son of a slack-jawed twitchblender!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 10:25 AM

There is no such word as kerfustian, little Hawk. You may be confusing fustian, a fabric also known as bombast, with bombast, an oral style to which you naturally gravitate; the two are very different, please note.

And to be painty-waisted has no meaning I can divine, unless it be water-colored at the midriff, which makes no sense.

Now, a tort feaser might, I imagine, be a medieval maker of cakes, but I see no calumny in it, except perhaps that of being inordinately aged.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 10:35 AM

All this tangential bloviation does not one whit lesson the charm of the barbed interchange between Frost and Wallace; more importantly it does not less the subtlety of their reciprocal charges in respect to the writing of poetry.

I do admire Rapaires talent at excerpting, but aside from being related to poets and poetry, the continuity seems minimal.

Mom likes that kind of thing,though. She has brought us all up to be helter-skelter tangentialists.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 10:37 AM

Perhaps people are mistaking simplicity for simple? I read Frost to my kids, I read a lot of others to my kids. But Frost is just wonderful and was always a favorite. You could feel like you were visiting new places in New England when you read his work.

My daughter was in 8th grade when there was an extra-curricular activity called "Whiz Kids" that was like Jeopardy except they just asked questions and you answered. There were some UIL (University Interscholastic League) competitions between schools. One week near the end they did a fun one, kids against teachers. The question addressed to both panels was along the lines of "what poet wrote about a horse standing in the woods thinking about why they're there." Moonglow waited for one of the teachers to pipe up but they were silent, so at the last moment she rang the bell and answered "Frost." The teacher who was running the quiz didn't say "you're right, X points for this team," she stopped and looked at Moonglow and said "You knew that? You knew it was Robert Frost?" Like cultural literacy is rare in a 13-year-old.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 10:45 AM

Good for you, and good for Moonglow!

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 10:55 AM

Cher Amos,

Those are complete poems by William Butler Yeats, selected so that I wouldn't take too much space, bore you with such well-know pieces as "April 1916", or outlast your attention span. The last was done from memory, with my own subtle change.

Of course, I could have use something like Rimbaud's

Comme d'un cercueil vert en fer blanc, une tête
De femme à cheveux bruns fortement pommadés
D'une vieille baignoire émerge, lente et bête,
Avec des déficits assez mal ravaudés;

Puis le col gras et gris, les larges omoplates
Qui saillent; le dos court qui rentre et qui ressort;
Puis les rondeurs des reins semblent prendre l'essor;
La graisse sous la peau paraît en feuilles plates:

L'échine est un peu rouge, et le tout sent un goût
Horrible étrangement; on remarque surtout
Des singularités qu'il faut voir à la loupe?

Les reins portent deux mots gravés: CLARA VENUS;
?Et tout ce corps remue et tend sa large croupe
Belle hideusement d'un ulcère à l'anus.


but I really much prefer fewer graphic details in my poetry -- and less misogyny.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 11:30 AM

You are cluttering, sir. Take a deep breath and you will feel better. How is your knitting shoulder going?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:30 PM

That Rimbaud was a drunken boat, was he not? Such unkind descriptions.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 04:24 PM

Bye, Mom!! I am going to Marina del Rey for the weekend...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 04:31 PM

Is Rapaire knitting a shoulder? Can he knit a knees also?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 04:34 PM

I am sitting in a hotel room in Missoula waiting for housekeeping to "do" the room so I can take a nap. My shoulder is healing; next week I will begin the first full week (of many) of physical therapy sessions. I am already doing some exercises.

Just for Amos I will now post my favoritest poem in the whole world:

I am Jesus' little lamb
He has made me what I am
He will wash me white as snow
What a dirty job for little Jesus.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 05:27 PM

Thanks Rapaire, who snores and sneezes
Whines and rants, decries and sleazes
Knits up shoulders, if not kneeses
ANd posts a poem about little Jesus.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 07:43 PM

Jaysus. Youse guys!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 08:00 PM

New report... they sold "over 70k" tickets... but they estimate the crowd at over 100k as a lot of private land overlooks the concert site.

A buddy of mine made nearly $15k selling camping space, lawn chair rentals to see the concert, booze, water, hot dogs, ice and whatever on his property above the site. I asked about the booze and cops??? He said, "We are trapped in our homes during these concerts and the pOlice are busy with many other things... we deserve the compensation.

He was very kind. Charged the same price for a beer as they did at the concert. Lucky bugger!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 10:50 PM

Thank you, MOM, from the bottom of my heart for the lesson well learned in childhood that whining does indeed, pay. The local supermarket, while still not convinced of the difference between brie and camembert, started stocking camembert this week, just to shut me up.

Thank you MOM, Jesus, Kneesus and knitting.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:13 PM

So you were having a little whine with that brie?

It's hot out, as it should be, this time of year in Texas. The garden is looking good, all things considered. Maybe the boys want to take a black light out at night and see if there are any pests that glow; that's a good way to keep the garden free of destructive caterpillars, and it keeps the kids out of trouble.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 07:56 PM

mom, I am back from LACMA, where I gorged on Klees, Rodins, Bauhaus, Japanese netsuke, Calder, Moore and the endless fascination of La Brea tarpits neRvy. I am so full my soul is spinning.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 09:26 PM

Mom, Kendall lost his mind and decided on short notice to come visit North Carolina in August. Just got back from a lovely afternoon and evening with him and Dani. (Everyone should have a best friend who is a chef, by the way.)

Am cat-sitting for 3 weeks. Said cat tried to attack the neighbor's cat through the screen door. You will be pleased to know the screen is fully repaired now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 09:36 PM

30681


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 09:42 PM

KENDALL !!!

Cellar!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 11:36 PM

Ol' Amos, yellin' ta hear hisself yell.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 02:03 AM

So how's everyone feeling this weekend? Injuries, anyone? Are all surgical wounds healing properly? No bedsores?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:19 AM

Exhausted. Pat drove 7.5 hours yesterday -- we couldn't get a room in Challis, as we expected, because of the Braun Brothers Festival. So she drove from Missoula to Pocatello. Pretty country, but danged long stretch for her. I can't drive until THEY say I can, even though I volunteered to try.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:50 AM

Could some one please explain how the toad got in my house?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 11:58 AM

Silly, you opened the door and let it in. Mine come in every so often, but I catch them and send them back out to eat the Junebugs under the porchlight.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 03:01 PM

Simple: don't invite toads to parties. Now you might have to change the locks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 06:21 PM

Better than toadies.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 07:11 PM

Hi, Mom!! I am back from Los Angeles, Culver City, Santa Monica and points south. I have the most delightful 3-year old grandson, and am expecting a grand-daughter in January. There's nothing like young people's reproductive cycles to make you feel old, just as there's nothing like your own to make you feel young!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 07:34 PM

Whoohoo, Gramps!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 07:41 PM

So, yer enjoying being staid and laid. Cool. No need to keep us informed of any details.

Of course... cutesy stories about the grandchildren are more than welcome but any details of your laying with anything but down is... you know.... decorum, please?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 07:58 PM

Poor ol' Grampa Amos. Pretty soon he'll be posting like this:

"Hehe, I 'member back in '62..or maybe it was '64..no, it was '62 'cause I was drivin' a Falcon back then...nice little car...red, I think it was, or maybe blue...anyway, this here girl I was datin' then...she was a blond or maybe a redhead...anyway, I was...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:01 PM

I dunno about this lad. He's growing up speaking two or three langugaes, because that's what happens around him. He says "Excuse me" when he wants to interrupt you and "Thank you when he feels you've done something for him. He goes around doing things for people and getting people o do things for him, all in a perfectly charming way. He kept three firefighters off their lunchbreak today while he grilled them about how their pumper truck worked. He's curious and affectionate. A real joy to be with.

'Course I am a mite biased.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:13 PM

Hi Mom!

I've been back from the wilds of Indiana for a few days. I apologize for not checking in sooner, but I've been busy playing with my new Beard. No, I didn't shave my beard off and grow a new one, nor did I steal a beard from one of the Amish folks in Indiana; it's a Dobro.

Okay... it's not a real Beard. I can't afford thousands of bucks for an instrument right now. It's one of these. It rocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:46 PM

Looks like BWL has a new toy.

Amos, wasn't that boy born just a couple of months ago?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 11:13 PM

No, he was born several years ago. Three. Someone was born several days ago, I am sure, though I do not know who off-hand.


You want me to make up a list?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 01:05 AM

Yes, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 08:59 AM

Yes, please, for the last week or so. I need to prove that I wasn't born yesterday. I remember a lot about yesterday, and I don't think I was born then, but I need it in writing just to be sure that I really wasn't born somewhere in the world yesterday. You can skip planets other than Earth. Thanks for volunteering to do this.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 09:25 AM

I checked with Mom and she says you definitely were not born yesterday because you have been posting to her thread for much longer.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 10:59 AM

I am deeply glad the BWL is back, as he is such a good Knower of Things.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 01:48 PM

I need to prove that I wasn't born yesterday.

I can see where this could be hard, but tell people Mom says it is so and this will handle it. Mom has a lot of respect in this town because she's been around longer than almost anyone.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 03:37 PM

Between the stress of accusations of youth, and having an old person's shoulder, Rapaire is really struggling. No wonder he has not posted.

Meanwhile, should we all run away and go sailing?



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 03:56 PM

This site works a starting phrase from English into Japanese and then back to English until it arrives at "equilibrium" where both translations are the same (that is, until the English comes out the same way twice in a row).

A fine example:

To do is greater than to have, do you not agree?
into Japanese
を行うにははるかに優れているし、大きい場合はしないことに同意するか?
back into English
To do that is better, bigger or if you do not agree with?
back into Japanese
つまり、大きく優れているかに同意しない場合は操作を行うには?
back into English
That is, if you do not agree that bigger is better to do?
back into Japanese
を行う場合は、大きい方が良いと同意することはありませんでしょうか?
back into English
If you do, it is better to accept what is not great?
back into Japanese
その場合、それを受け入れるものではない偉大な方が良いですか?
back into English
If so, do not accept it is not great is better?
back into Japanese
より良い場合は、偉大ではないが受け入れていないですか?
back into English
If better, the great and is not accepted?
back into Japanese
場合は、偉大な受け入れではないと良いですか?
back into English
If you can not accept is the great and good?
back into Japanese
受け入れられない場合は、素晴らしいと良いですか?
back into English
If not acceptable, good or great?
back into Japanese
場合には、良い受け入れられない、または大?
back into English
If you can not accept a good or great?
back into Japanese
受け入れられない場合はいいや偉大な?
back into English
If you can not accept the good and great?
back into Japanese
偉大な場合は、善と受け入れることはできませんか?
back into English
If the great and good and do not accept?
back into Japanese
偉大な場合は、受け入れられないと良いのですか?
back into English
If the great, is good or not to accept?
back into Japanese
偉大な場合は、受け入れるかどうかに良いですか?
back into English
If the great, or whether it is good to take?
back into Japanese
場合は、良いかどうかをすることは素晴らしいですか?
back into English
If you are, whether it is good or great?
back into Japanese
もし、あなたが、素晴らしいかどうかは良いですか?
back into English
If you are, whether good or great?
back into Japanese
ている場合は、良くも素晴らしいかどうか?
back into English
If you are not sure how great a good?
back into Japanese
不明な場合はどのように良い素晴らしい?
back into English
If you are not sure is good to great?
back into Japanese
偉大な場合は確かに良いされていませんか?
back into English
What if the greatest good is not sure?
back into Japanese
最大の場合はどうすれば良いようではありませんか?
back into English
Max is as good if I do?
back into Japanese
もしすれば最大で良いですか?
back into English
What do I do if I up to?
back into Japanese
私にどうすればよいですか?
back into English
What should I do?
back into Japanese
どうすればいいですか?
back into English
What should I do?




This really demonstrates the concept of "losing something in translation" and provides a warning against buying the message of entropy.


A


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