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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Acme 21 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM
Rapparee 21 Jun 06 - 11:36 AM
MMario 21 Jun 06 - 11:39 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM

Things get real quiet in our office when ALA comes around. I work at home a lot now, but when I was driving over everyday I always enjoyed the week of ALA--far fewer interruptions!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:36 AM

SOME librarians stay home and keep serving the patrons! SOME librarians are committed to their profession! SOME librarians are sick and tired of the smoke-filled rooms, the nude dancing in hotel hallways, the flagrant and open sex and drunkeness! SOME librarians have budgets that allow for such things, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:39 AM

But not you, right Rapire?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:52 AM

On those occassions when I have attended ALA I have spent my time with the Seminary and Theological Libraries Section discussing biblical matters such as the proper context of the Song of Songs.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:53 AM

Do they still bring in the live models to illustrate the Song of Songs?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:29 PM

We also discussed, at great length, 1 Timothy 5:23.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:32 PM

Well, an uplifting topic indeed - and one that was near and dear to at least one of our Founding Fathers - in fact, many suspect that it inspired Benjermin Franklin to song.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:58 PM

Funny how that works, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:00 PM

Also Jefferson, S. Adams, Washington, and Madison that I'm certain of. They were very religious men when it came to this chapter and verse.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:19 PM

Apparently, he tried singing this, but having some proper musicians about, they could keep the tune going despite a few beers, but made up some new words, as they couldn't remember the old ones....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:30 PM

oh. I was thinking of the one he wrote.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:21 PM

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.


(For those not comfortable with mute obscurity and unarticulate allusion).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:37 PM

I thought everyone had memorized the Bible.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 03:37 PM

Not at all. But I'm pretty quick with Google.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:15 PM

They have a new tool, called Google Bookshelf. It takes forever to load the page, so you get up and go to the bookshelf, and find it yourself, in a real book.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:40 PM

I gave my kids an ultimatum today. They have to do some reading this summer, they can't just watch TV, play games, and chat on the computer. My son wanted to know how long he had to read his book (I gave him The Andromeda Strain). I told him that if he doesn't reach a point where he can't put it down and just finishes it, that I thought a week was pretty reasonable. So he did the math and read enough pages today so that he can pace himself to read it in a week. My daughter refused my suggested book (Invisible Man) and read something left over that she picked up during the school year. It was amazing, for a couple of hours, no other keystrokes and game voices, just comfortable chairs and good reading lamps and heads bent over books. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 06:23 PM

Try your son on "A Canticle for Liebowitz" by Miller, "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" by Heinlein, and "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 08:41 PM

Or Revolt in 2100, or others of the period by CLarke, Heinlein, or Asimov. Once the hook sets in you can play the line all summer....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:36 PM

Or Murray Leinster or L. Sprague de Camp, or James White's "Sector General" or....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:39 PM

That's funny, Stilly, cos when I was a kid there was almost nothing I would rather do than read a good book.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:45 PM

Yeah, but you weren't any good at computer games, or text-messaging, is why...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:47 PM

I must say that I drove my mother crazy. I'd check out six books on Saturday and have them finished by Sunday night. Except for ones like Korsunsky's "The Atomic Nucleus." The math slowed me down on that one (and I'm not making this up). My siblings were the same way.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:48 PM

Yeah -- one line of math can replace twenty pages of text, but you have to reconstruct them yourself!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:51 PM

As a result of my reading, when I took physics in high school I did really lousy with the first half of the book, which dealt with mechanics. The second semester was on nuclear, and I went from a D to an A+. Likewise in analytic geometery, when we got to things like points on an ellipse I did very well -- because it was related to planetary orbits.

Drove the teachers crazy!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 07:02 AM

Amos, you're not supposed to let out secrets like that. It scares the civilians, and other normal people, and that's bad.

Once people get scared of maths, they stop trying to understand it, and then the scoundrels (politicaians, lawyers, single issue campaigners etc) can get away with anything....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:07 AM

The local library was right around the corner from our house when I was growing up - and a major punishment was to be forbidden to go to the library. It never lasted long though - we got into too much trouble when we didn't have anything to read.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:37 AM

Our library was over twenty miles away, all of it uphill both ways except when it went through swamps and through blistering hot deserts, and we had to walk it in molten lava up to our shoulders while the Kickapoo waited in ambush in every canyon and pass not otherwise ambuscaded by the Confederates and/or the enemy du jour. Oh, how I longed for a bicycle back then! but we were too poor to afford more than a dented front wheel! Ah, the joys of youth and of the days that are gone beyond recall! Ah, those dear dead days of yore!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:39 AM

the enemy du jour

those renagade frenchmen were a problem for you? we cleaned them out of our neck of the woods during the French and Indian war.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:13 AM

What does it mean of a man, that he should yearn in his heart for the return of times that never came around even once?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:22 AM

Get Gluon to put the timeline down, and it'll sort itself out...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:50 AM

Everything you remember is wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:19 AM

Oh, I've known that for a long time. Everything I do is wrong, therefore everything I remember is also wrong. Or at least that's what I'm told, and I wouldn't dare argue with her.

No, I'm not henpecked. I've been told I'm not...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:24 AM

Little Hawk I also was like that. I remember when I was about 9 or 10 checking out a handful of horse adventure stories one week (by an author I had just discovered) and I read and read and read, parked on the living room couch. My mother would come in every so often to see if I needed anything (food) and just left me alone. Then there was the summer when I was 14 or 15 and I discovered Jane Austen. My mother had a big bound collection of all of her novels, and I worked my way through that thing cover-to-cover on all those summer evenings in my bedroom. The one reading light was on, the window was open, and I had pillows and a chair so I could move around from bed to chair for comfortable positions, but it was a lost summer of reading. I had a radio on in the room and some of the strangest songs, played regularly back then, take me back to that summer when they come on the oldies radio now.

Last time I was in Seattle I went over to take a look at my old neighborhood in West Seattle (where I lived until I was 11). When I was a child they opened a new branch library on 35th St, and we used to make the walk over there on many weekends. We were gluttons for the summer reading program. I'd guess it was a couple of miles from the house. That branch is now undergoing renovations to modernize it and turn it into a two story structure, is my understanding.

We moved to Everett and there we had a beautiful old Carnegie library building to visit. That one was probably a mile and a half from the house and again, we usually walked there. It was on my way to and from high school so I was there a lot after school.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

Well, in the Seattle area at least you had to work to get to the library, walking all that way through rain up to your chin and all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:31 AM

...rain up to your chin and all.

During the dry season, at least.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:32 AM

Oh, sure. The correct term for children in Seattle is "tadpoles" or "fry."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:35 AM

I believe "spawn" is in current use as well - at least before they enter schools.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:12 PM

Naw, we were little Norwegian towheads (Mom's a Husby).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM

Yup, sounds like we had a fair bit in common, Stilly.

Amos, there WERE no computer games or text messaging programs when I was a kid. What there was, was TV. Other kids watched TV. I read books. This gave me quite an advantage over most of my peers when it came to writing essays in school, I can tell you...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:29 PM

****?????*****

LH - I thought you were younger then I was ?- and there was pong, and video arcades.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:32 PM

ODlly enough, this is true; but everything you intend for the future in exercise of your full and sovereign creative powers is IMPECCABLE.

Try peccing it, if you don't believe me. No peccary shall prevail, keep your peccer up though you may.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:35 PM

And we walked twenty miles to the schoolhouse
Barefoot, uphill both ways,
Through blizzards in summer and winter
Back in the good old days.
Back when Fortran was not even Three-tran
And the PC was only a toy
And we did our computing by gaslight
When I was a boy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 01:08 PM

Little Hawk:

I am quite aware of that, which is why you were no good at them. ;>)

I, too, am a child of books, and had similar advantages to those you and Rapaire cite.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 03:56 PM

And if our books were returned late there was no excuse. The librarians chained you to a post by your thumbs while you stood on a pile of boards (barefoot, and the boards were roughsawn). Then they knocked the boards out from under your feet, one board for every day overdue. You were then scourged with a cat-o-nine tails and keelhauled.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:07 PM

oh, yeah? Well OUR librarians were *really* nasty.

You know what they would do if you had an overdue book?

They would tell my grandmother!

Gram was a woman who could pin you to the wall and flay you with her glare at 50 paces. Most of the community lived in terror of her "look". Parents threatened their children with her (Truth!) - and those who were NOT afraid of her hadn't met her.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:08 PM

I don't remember any video arcades when I was a kid, MMario. All I can recall back in those days was pinball machines and those Italian soccer thingies...manual stuff. I didn't play those, and they weren't that common anyway...not like video arcades are now.

I can well recall when the very first computer games came out...and I was an adult by then (sort of...).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 05:28 PM

Ping, ping a pong,
Keep it moving to last your while dime long,
Don't worry if it's not good enough for anyone else to bear,
Just ping, ping a pong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 07:04 PM

Curiously enough, yesterday my 14-year-old son was asking me about the age of video games because something that came his way advertised 50 years of entertainment. The company that originated PacMan, I think. I remember those turning up when I was in high school, or maybe early in college. I told him the same thing--pinball was the big game until the arcade games came along. I got pretty good at some of those--they feel more like you're playing a game, not just standing there with the joysticks. You rock and roll and tip and lean and try not to tilt. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:57 PM

Pong was, I believe, the first computer video game, although I remember a tic-tac-toe game at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry in the '50s or early '60s -- it was played against a computer, but Pong was the first commercially viable game.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:10 PM

I remember Donkey Kong. Was that before or after PacMan?

Hey Mom, since the kids' computer did a crash and burn this afternoon we're going to play a board game tonight (they're setting it up now). We got some ice cream and are all set for snacks. Earlier this evening I had them exit the house by the front door and walk quietly around to the side, where we fed June bugs to four toads that live around that side porch. You have to flick them close enough that the toad is willing to move to get it. No hand-feeding here. You see the toad move, but the tongue is so fast it's amazing. (We're easily entertained around here at times).


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