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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Janie 01 Oct 09 - 12:08 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 11:55 AM

For what it's worth, you can also graft tomatoes onto jimson weed. If you do, don't eat them. Texas needs liberal thinkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 11:54 AM

Them mice "process" the seeds alright -- that's what makes them run around and things. I don't think that mice have any special immunity to datura.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 10:56 AM

I prefer a book written from the persepctive of a fruit bat. Doesn't Stella Luna visit jimson weed? Yes, I know what it is. It's a noxious beauty. The mice love the seeds and race around that part of the garden in winter eating them. They must be able to process the toxins. The dogs have been trying to process those mice, when I let them in the front yard. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 10:42 AM

Lordy, it's just Maggie, Mom and me (sounds like one of those books written from the dogs perspective).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 09:25 PM

Sacred Datura is jimsonweed, and it's poisonous if you ain't careful. Try to be careful. Mom has enough grief in her life what with Amos and LH.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 06:43 PM

What? You think I called him yesterday or something?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:47 PM

Just the fact that you know Everett, Washington (my home town, though I did live in West Seattle, Washington, until I was 11, but I wasn't born there and I'll keep that part to myself for a security question) says you MUST know Bob Nelson. There's no other answer for it.

Just put up another treatise on organic gardening. How many takers do you think I'll have to my premise that one should poke through the garden and remove some pests by hand, so you know what's out there? I need to take a class on insects. Or read a good text book.

Read it out loud to MOM. She'll enjoy the caterpillar close-ups.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:25 PM

Well, it IS a business conference, but I might maybe perhaps wraggle just a few moments away. Just maybe, mind you. Us librarians take our conferences seriously and attend every bullsession and evening beerswilling informal networking discussion we can.

We ARE, after all, professionals to the core and more.

Besides, how would Bob know what I look like? I haven't seen him in, oh, a couple of weeks or less now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:14 AM

Rapaire, have Bob take you on a ride up on Rucker Hill. I lived on Laurel Drive for years. My mother sold the house and moved to Seattle after she retired, but it was a great place to live as a kid. This was back in the days when we still walked to school (a two mile walk was good for you) and my folks got lucky to buy the house on the salary of a librarian. I think, in 1965, it cost $35,000. (Bob should remember the house. I think he sent a note when the soffit caught fire a few years ago. Turns out I went to school with the current owner.) A trip out to see Dad's place at Priest Point would also be a nice drive (but they've improved the house so much he wouldn't recognise it.)

Old Home Week.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:04 AM

Over twelve hours and I'm still the only one who cares about poor, poor, Mom. No one else calls here or stops in to pour her a cup of tea and give her even a crust of moldy bread. Well, neither Rhizopus Nigricans nor Rhizopus Stolonifer has never stopped ME from giving Mom some moldy bread, and Salmonella Typhi won't prevent me from refilling her water bottle for her.

That's why I'm her favorite (favourite in non-English-spelling countries).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:27 PM

Well MOM, my brother has left. There was a going-away party for him at the Legion Hovel last night, but it was the height of decorum and only a couple of cops got beaten up and one patrol car set on fire. Can you believe that in spite of all those shots not one single person was hit (except Rockhead Wilson, but no one is sure if he's a person or not and besides the bullets bounced off)? Bro will be back in Illinois afore'n you know it, full of tales of what he saw and did here, some of which might even bear some slight resemblance to The Truth, such as it is.

Just thought you'd like to know.

I'm off to Everett WA next Tuesday, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 05:10 PM

They've been painting bare for years....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 01:07 PM

It was a good law, and most of the rest of the population are glad it's in place, even if it was stuck in as an amendment to a law regulating how thick and what color of paint was to be used to paint crosswalks on the downtown streets and at the crossings for schools. The "old paint" referred to the horses and not the Behr so it got past the town council with nary a whimper.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 12:31 PM

Do you KNOW how many auto body shops that law has put out of business? Some of which belonged to Legionnaires and/or Legionnettes? On the other hand, the veterinary business is flourishing, especially the "spas" which detoxify horses and also treat the occasional sheep and goat for, ah, other things.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 12:24 PM

MOM, you're slumming again. How often have we told you to avoid walking down by the Legion Hovel all by yourself? One of those guys is liable to knock you over when they get on their horses to head home (no one will let them drive, they'd drive drunk. But the theory that a drunk rider isn't such a problem has paid off in a lot lower property casualty and auto repairs in town).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 06:45 PM

Location, location, location... and lotion makes money, in the right location.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:57 PM

Really? I didn't know about Hoover Dam. Great location!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 11:19 AM

Plus one in Tampa, and one at the San Diego Zoo, and a spare hidden in the Hoover dam bypass tunnel.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 10:40 AM

Don't worry, Janie, she has another one in the woods over by the 8th hole on the golf course behind his house.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 10:39 AM

The fires in Yellowstone and the Tetons and the Gros Ventres are o-u-t out, or very nearly so. Rained and snowed all day yesterday, and I woke up to snow on the lawn today. Just a wet dusting, but a Sign Of Things To Come. I suspect that it indicates the End Of The World As We Know It: soon women will be wearing pants and men will be speeding along at speeds in excess of 25 miles per hour (any faster and the breath would be sucked from your lungs and you'd die). Nostropompous, an Alsatian prophet, predicted all of this in 1217, just before he was collected by the local Stray Dog Collector and eaten by the citizens of Merdehaus-Sur-La-Seine at their annual Feast Of Our Lady Of The Divine Figure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:08 AM

My posts keep disappearing into cyberspace tonight.

Y'all will just have to wonder what jewels of wisdom wandered off - cause it ain't worth repeatin'.

I do wonder, though, just what Rap intends to do with all of MOM's "everything" that she is going to leave him when he dies.    You're a brave man, Rapaire. I don't know that I would want to be hauling all of MOM's baggage into the grave with me.

For her to go ahead and unload everything onto you at your death, she must think you are the Pharaoh or something.

You sure have pulled the wool over her eyes.

Except she wants to talk to you about that little matter of the forest fire at Yellowstone. YOu burned up her still in the process.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 10:46 PM

Oh yes,I seem to recall seeing some scottish diaspora in Jamacia. Mostly criminals and Covenanters sent off by Oliver, if I remember it right. The Gaelic influence on Ragae, possibly?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 10:20 PM

I meant what I said. I told her because I'm Mom's favorite and she's leaving everything to me when I die. We did, however, meet a Scottish Jamaican who was a Buddhist priest from Eastern Burma who, like all Scots, spoke only pidgin English.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:04 PM

Rapaire
By mon (in my last post) I meant Scots,   Buddhists from eastern Myanmar or adjacent parts of Thailand, or pidgin English speakers. I did not refer to your Mom, except if she belongs to one of these groups. (He said, never admitting to a typo).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:58 PM

Rapaire, The question your mon should ask is: Were any of the folks you met consortable?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:49 PM

Hi, Mom! I'm back home after my brother and I trekked all over Colter's Hell, Jackson's Hole, and places like that. We were good though and didn't consort with any unsavory people of whom you might disapprove.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 04:58 PM

We suspect William Shatner also, possibly as being something that, although reported, has not happened.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 04:40 PM

But, then.... Donald Rumsfeld said it better:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me,
because as we know,
there are known knowns;
there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns;
that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns --
the ones we don't know we don't know."

I suspect William Shatner, Shane and even John Hardly may support the statement that there are reports that something hasn't happened?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:58 PM

A nice overview of epistemology, Ed, thanks for the link.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 12:15 PM

Not that I'm implying that such people's lives have no validity or value. Hardly!

I wonder if John Hardly will get wind of this?

I've spent a fair amount of time with Derrida and Foucault, and they spent some quality time with your fellow Bachelard, so what goes around comes around, as they say. MOM prefers to use that stack of books as a doorstop.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 11:47 AM

This material on knowledge is interesting to me, especially on "a priori and a posteriori" knowledge:

http://en.allexperts.com/e/e/ep/epistemology.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 10:53 AM

Yes, they're both completely valid in their own respect. If you get carried away to the point of being arrogant or exclusionary with either of them on the other hand, then you've gone astray.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 10:41 AM

The whole point of scientific rigor is to get clear about what part of experience is reliable, rather than attributable to errors in viewpoint. Experience is well and good but only if you can refrain from adding a bunch of other stuff into it.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 09:44 AM

Going by my own experiences, I'd say that a couple of minutes of genuine experience easily outweighs all the scientific opinions (and pontification) in the world. It registers, however, only on the one who has had the experience.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:55 AM

Thomas Edison, one of the most prolific inventors in history, holding 1,093 U.S. patents, was a telegraph operator (IMO, could only loosely be called a scientist).
Most of his inventions came from his experience, not from his study of science or the theory of his inventions. .
I am not underplaying the value of science in our lives, but see the importance of of getting out to experienc life....like Gaston Bachelard seemed to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:39 AM

Philosopher and scientist Gaston Bachelard (1884-1962), exposed errors in scientific thinking. He contended that progress in science could be influenced or blocked by obstacles, since "scientific knowledge" had no place for " ordinary knowledge" gained through experience. He also challenged scientist to take the opposite position (used in philosophy) to challenge and verify scientific thought, that was (is) not very well built into science processes.
His work als dealt with many other topics, including poetry, dreams, psychoanalysis, the imagination and architecture.

Considering his published work, I suspect Little Hawk is correct in his analysis.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:36 PM

I think one can do both, but that Gaston Bachelard was probably making a point about people who have wonderful verbal skills, and who enjoy playing with those skills for their own mental amusement, but who fail to achieve much in the real world because they are too busy just talking about it rather than doing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:28 PM

So, if one can not both live and express well, it stands to reason that the reverse is also true, ie, one can not both live and express poorly.

Eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:14 PM

That's a very interesting quote, Ed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:12 PM

"To live life well is to express life poorly; if one expresses life too well, one is living it no longer". Gaston Bachelard


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 09:51 PM

Meanwhile, back in Idaho, Rapaire packs for his trip to tour the fire at Yellowstone.

Wonder if he planned it that way?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,William Shatner
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 09:44 PM

The reason I seldom come here is obvious. I'm a very busy man. I have things to do, people to see, I have important work on my hands. I have a family. I have priorities. I have a LIFE. Can you guess how low on my list of priorities it is to visit this discussion site...let alone this particular thread? Hmmm? Can you?

Only someone who had practically no life at all would spend much time here, seems to me. It's easy to determine who that would be. Just scan the list of posts here and count who has posted the most often in, say, the last 60 days. Do up totals on each poster, and you will see immediately who among you is virtually devoid of what could be termed "a life"....in normal terms, I mean.

Not that I'm implying that such people's lives have no validity or value. Hardly!

One doesn't bother to imply something when it's become as blatantly obvious as the rainbow-striped ass on a mandrill. One just comes right out and says it! ;-)

Read my book "Get A Life!" and see if you can pick up a few useful pointers which will help you escape from THE Great Unreality you have fallen into if you are one of those unfortunates who typically posts more than twice a day on this forum.

- William Shatner


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 08:38 PM

Ed:

You may learn far more than you ever wanted to about Little Hawk by reading the MOAB from the beginning, in order.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:49 PM

Amos
A chip off the old Hawk you suggest? Don't know the fellow.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:10 PM

Well, Ed, if you yourself are not one of Little Hawk's figment, then you are in for a very warm reception when he drops on. Shatner, you see, was sort of reconstructed as just the sort of Glamourous Divine you describe, mostly by the obsessed Little Hawk who cannot stop praising Shatner, accurately or not. As a result he has achieved an almost semi-fictitious stature around here. And, in turn, some of us have put Little Hawk on the defensive for this blind spot; so he will embrace you like a brother if you are not already one and the same person. He peoples these parts with so many fictitious characyrs tht one must be judicious.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 06:17 PM

Stilly River Sage
I remain wakeful of your advice, I surmise made in kindness. But, as the northern rocking chair rocker, Neil Young said "It's better to burn out than rust out".

I am left dark and perplexed from the suggestion, likely made in jest, that misfortune has come upon the much-adored and temperate beacon William Shatner. Maple-land legends reveal that upon his birth, the sky lit up above a frosty white volcano, kindling the horizon with orange and red. Could this be the source of tales of his early fiery demise? Maybe so? But, I suspect it is merely early dawn for the "trekster icon" , with his light shining strong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:57 PM

I think he got confused and intimidated by the Great Unreality Campaign. Being as how his main representative in these parts is Little Hawk, he wasn't sure whether he was a fact or a figment. Kinda got him down, I think.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 04:13 PM

Careful, Ed, it looks easy but it's possible to burn out if you take too much in too fast. Just look at William Shatner. He hasn't been back in ages and ages. It was too much for him here at MOAB.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 04:05 PM

What a stirring quote, Ed! You are as good as Rapaire, except for correctly attributing your quotes!!

(I just know I will be in trouble for this, but screw it, ya know?)


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 04:01 PM

Amos! YOu sent MOM boob threading again? You *KNOW* what happenned the last time.

Miami beach still hasn't recovered.

MMario


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