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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Little Hawk 22 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM

Yup, sounds like we had a fair bit in common, Stilly.

Amos, there WERE no computer games or text messaging programs when I was a kid. What there was, was TV. Other kids watched TV. I read books. This gave me quite an advantage over most of my peers when it came to writing essays in school, I can tell you...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:12 PM

Naw, we were little Norwegian towheads (Mom's a Husby).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:35 AM

I believe "spawn" is in current use as well - at least before they enter schools.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:32 AM

Oh, sure. The correct term for children in Seattle is "tadpoles" or "fry."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:31 AM

...rain up to your chin and all.

During the dry season, at least.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

Well, in the Seattle area at least you had to work to get to the library, walking all that way through rain up to your chin and all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:24 AM

Little Hawk I also was like that. I remember when I was about 9 or 10 checking out a handful of horse adventure stories one week (by an author I had just discovered) and I read and read and read, parked on the living room couch. My mother would come in every so often to see if I needed anything (food) and just left me alone. Then there was the summer when I was 14 or 15 and I discovered Jane Austen. My mother had a big bound collection of all of her novels, and I worked my way through that thing cover-to-cover on all those summer evenings in my bedroom. The one reading light was on, the window was open, and I had pillows and a chair so I could move around from bed to chair for comfortable positions, but it was a lost summer of reading. I had a radio on in the room and some of the strangest songs, played regularly back then, take me back to that summer when they come on the oldies radio now.

Last time I was in Seattle I went over to take a look at my old neighborhood in West Seattle (where I lived until I was 11). When I was a child they opened a new branch library on 35th St, and we used to make the walk over there on many weekends. We were gluttons for the summer reading program. I'd guess it was a couple of miles from the house. That branch is now undergoing renovations to modernize it and turn it into a two story structure, is my understanding.

We moved to Everett and there we had a beautiful old Carnegie library building to visit. That one was probably a mile and a half from the house and again, we usually walked there. It was on my way to and from high school so I was there a lot after school.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:19 AM

Oh, I've known that for a long time. Everything I do is wrong, therefore everything I remember is also wrong. Or at least that's what I'm told, and I wouldn't dare argue with her.

No, I'm not henpecked. I've been told I'm not...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:50 AM

Everything you remember is wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:22 AM

Get Gluon to put the timeline down, and it'll sort itself out...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:13 AM

What does it mean of a man, that he should yearn in his heart for the return of times that never came around even once?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:39 AM

the enemy du jour

those renagade frenchmen were a problem for you? we cleaned them out of our neck of the woods during the French and Indian war.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:37 AM

Our library was over twenty miles away, all of it uphill both ways except when it went through swamps and through blistering hot deserts, and we had to walk it in molten lava up to our shoulders while the Kickapoo waited in ambush in every canyon and pass not otherwise ambuscaded by the Confederates and/or the enemy du jour. Oh, how I longed for a bicycle back then! but we were too poor to afford more than a dented front wheel! Ah, the joys of youth and of the days that are gone beyond recall! Ah, those dear dead days of yore!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:07 AM

The local library was right around the corner from our house when I was growing up - and a major punishment was to be forbidden to go to the library. It never lasted long though - we got into too much trouble when we didn't have anything to read.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 07:02 AM

Amos, you're not supposed to let out secrets like that. It scares the civilians, and other normal people, and that's bad.

Once people get scared of maths, they stop trying to understand it, and then the scoundrels (politicaians, lawyers, single issue campaigners etc) can get away with anything....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:51 PM

As a result of my reading, when I took physics in high school I did really lousy with the first half of the book, which dealt with mechanics. The second semester was on nuclear, and I went from a D to an A+. Likewise in analytic geometery, when we got to things like points on an ellipse I did very well -- because it was related to planetary orbits.

Drove the teachers crazy!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:48 PM

Yeah -- one line of math can replace twenty pages of text, but you have to reconstruct them yourself!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:47 PM

I must say that I drove my mother crazy. I'd check out six books on Saturday and have them finished by Sunday night. Except for ones like Korsunsky's "The Atomic Nucleus." The math slowed me down on that one (and I'm not making this up). My siblings were the same way.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:45 PM

Yeah, but you weren't any good at computer games, or text-messaging, is why...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:39 PM

That's funny, Stilly, cos when I was a kid there was almost nothing I would rather do than read a good book.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:36 PM

Or Murray Leinster or L. Sprague de Camp, or James White's "Sector General" or....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 08:41 PM

Or Revolt in 2100, or others of the period by CLarke, Heinlein, or Asimov. Once the hook sets in you can play the line all summer....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 06:23 PM

Try your son on "A Canticle for Liebowitz" by Miller, "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" by Heinlein, and "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:40 PM

I gave my kids an ultimatum today. They have to do some reading this summer, they can't just watch TV, play games, and chat on the computer. My son wanted to know how long he had to read his book (I gave him The Andromeda Strain). I told him that if he doesn't reach a point where he can't put it down and just finishes it, that I thought a week was pretty reasonable. So he did the math and read enough pages today so that he can pace himself to read it in a week. My daughter refused my suggested book (Invisible Man) and read something left over that she picked up during the school year. It was amazing, for a couple of hours, no other keystrokes and game voices, just comfortable chairs and good reading lamps and heads bent over books. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:15 PM

They have a new tool, called Google Bookshelf. It takes forever to load the page, so you get up and go to the bookshelf, and find it yourself, in a real book.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 03:37 PM

Not at all. But I'm pretty quick with Google.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:37 PM

I thought everyone had memorized the Bible.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:21 PM

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.


(For those not comfortable with mute obscurity and unarticulate allusion).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:30 PM

oh. I was thinking of the one he wrote.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:19 PM

Apparently, he tried singing this, but having some proper musicians about, they could keep the tune going despite a few beers, but made up some new words, as they couldn't remember the old ones....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:00 PM

Also Jefferson, S. Adams, Washington, and Madison that I'm certain of. They were very religious men when it came to this chapter and verse.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:58 PM

Funny how that works, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:32 PM

Well, an uplifting topic indeed - and one that was near and dear to at least one of our Founding Fathers - in fact, many suspect that it inspired Benjermin Franklin to song.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:29 PM

We also discussed, at great length, 1 Timothy 5:23.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:53 AM

Do they still bring in the live models to illustrate the Song of Songs?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:52 AM

On those occassions when I have attended ALA I have spent my time with the Seminary and Theological Libraries Section discussing biblical matters such as the proper context of the Song of Songs.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:39 AM

But not you, right Rapire?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:36 AM

SOME librarians stay home and keep serving the patrons! SOME librarians are committed to their profession! SOME librarians are sick and tired of the smoke-filled rooms, the nude dancing in hotel hallways, the flagrant and open sex and drunkeness! SOME librarians have budgets that allow for such things, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM

Things get real quiet in our office when ALA comes around. I work at home a lot now, but when I was driving over everyday I always enjoyed the week of ALA--far fewer interruptions!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:55 AM

I like your philosophy, Rapaire. "THere are no opportunities -- just problems without solutions."

Keeps ya on yer toes.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:14 AM

ALA?? 40,000 librarians in one place is frightening enough all by itself, much less 40,000 librarians politickin' in the heat and humidity of Nawlins.

I've been to ALA more than a few times. Too big, too expensive, too noisy, too many people pushing agendas, and too little offered that's of immediate or proximate assistance to me and my problems (I don't have opportunities). On the other hand, many of my friends go and beer and jazz is never to be scoffed at (neither is Nawlins). And I could go for a Sazarac cocktail, yeah, but Nawlins ain't been the same since...oh, since they closed down Storyville.

(And yes, I am a member of ALA.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:26 AM

Say "hi" to Pat for us next time you speak!

Not headed to ALA this year?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:19 AM

Today I went to work, caught up on some things, went to the luncheon meeting of one of the Rotary clubs and presented a little speech on the history of mobile library services in the US, made TWO excellent contacts for the future, had a Board meeting where we decided to re-roof the old part of the building (it's on the National Register) and close on August 16th for staff in-service and allow the University to digitize some of our unique photographs, etc. and decided to close on December 26. I also met with three people over the phone, talked another library director into presenting at Thursday's Rotary Club meeting, made some decisions which will affect those who park illegally in our lots, and talked with my wife (her dad's been moved to an "enhanced care" room and out of the SICU). It was an 11 hour day.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 12:15 AM

Let's see...I met with the president of the company and provided him with a research report I am developing and planned the outline of a major training campaign we need to do. Then I spent several hours setting up remote video on a remote-controlled test bed for observing sensor responses to varying current and frequency signals. I took some steps on the infrastructure for the training campaign and finished a presentation on some safety issues as a favor to the Admin VP. I came home, went to home depot for some pipe, fixed a plumbing revision needed for the waterfall and put it back together and tested it, cooked a big dinner for two, and sang Lorena on my Martin. I wrote several essays and posted numerous quips here and there.

Now I am going to retiure with a good book.

demain, mes copains.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:49 PM

Back to LH's question, I haven't been writing here all day. I've been working. And now that I've skimmed over all of the day's chatter (much of it maintained by the same said LH) I'm all caught up and I'll send this then head to the shower and to bed. I'll let Rapaire's description of his work day stand. Mine wasn't so sweepingly significant, but it was very busy and productive, nonetheless.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:45 PM

Sorry. I started to say, An excerpt:

"Is there one network president in this room who claims he can't do better? Well, is there at least one network president who believes that the other networks can't do better? Gentlemen, your trust accounting with your beneficiaries is overdue. Never have so few owed so much to so many.

Why is so much of television so bad? I have heard many answers: demands of your advertisers; competition for ever-higher ratings; the need always to attract a mass audience; the high cost of television programs; the insatiable appetite for programming material--these are some of them. Unquestionably these are tough problems not susceptible to easy answers.

But I am not convinced that you have tried hard enough to solve them . . . and I am not convinced that the people's taste is as low as some of you assume."

Newton Minow's speech to the National Association of Broadcasters on May 9, 1961


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:44 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:42 PM

That would be Newton Minnow, I think. Newton Baker is the guy who makes fig bars for Keebler's.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:40 PM

Gad, I didn't know Khandu was on a record album! Who's the guy on the left, anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:38 PM

Khing khandu and The Royal Recording (to be played at all official functions).


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