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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Rapparee 16 Jan 11 - 11:07 AM
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gnu 15 Jan 11 - 08:37 PM
Little Hawk 15 Jan 11 - 08:21 PM
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Amos 15 Jan 11 - 05:30 PM
Acme 15 Jan 11 - 04:19 PM
Amos 15 Jan 11 - 03:46 PM
Acme 15 Jan 11 - 03:23 PM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 15 Jan 11 - 03:05 PM
Amos 15 Jan 11 - 02:57 PM
Eiseley 15 Jan 11 - 12:19 PM
Rapparee 15 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM
Eiseley 15 Jan 11 - 11:58 AM
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Rapparee 15 Jan 11 - 11:02 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 11:07 AM

He'd be more disturbed if he was making love to a large grizzly when someone opened the door.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 12:30 AM

gnu - You would be disturbed if you were making love to someone, and a large grizzly bear opened the door. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 11:05 PM

Some people just use a patent medicine. Raparree insists on a meta-fissick when things are not moving properly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 11:03 PM

No. I'm the Moving Stasis.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 08:37 PM

"scat"? Twas left on my back door landing when I disturbed two fucking doves today. Odd that they would choose such a place for such behaviour but there it is.

There it is. Love turns to shit in a wing flap.

Not poetic. Just real


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 08:21 PM

Are you the Unmoved Mover?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 06:00 PM

Yet you claim your divinity is heaven-sent

No, I created heaven. My "divinity" is the result of my being the Uncaused Cause (vide Thomas Aquinas, et al.).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 05:30 PM

Aw thank you!!

In other news:

"Scat-sniffing dogs are becoming increasingly popular among scientists as assistants that can gather data about a wildlife area.

The dogs can be trained to sniff out the scat of other animals and to help researchers estimate population statistics. " (NYT)

This may be an important part of Mom's future, if you believe BS is a form of scat.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 04:19 PM

Stunning, Amos!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 03:46 PM

You are old, Raparee, and your jaws are too weak
For anything tougher than suet;
Yet you posted a claim on the MOAB last week
You were God; pray tell what it was drove you to it?

In my youth, said the Bookman, I practiced collusion
And conspired to rise in the ranks;
And the practice this gave me in asserting delusion
Has made me as tough as a tank!

You are old, Raparee, and your hair has gone gray,
At least what there still is left of it!
How do you explain the remarkable way
That you holler of life, "I jes' LUBBIT!"?

In my young years, he said, I stayed sober and pale
And spent all my spare time on books!
But now I've retired, I find I have time
To take care of my wonderful looks!

You are old, Rapparee, and your mind has grown bent
And you often assert things unreal!
Yet you claim your divinity is heaven-sent
Not caring how others may feel?

Pish, tush! cried the Bookman, I say what I please!
ANd I let the chips fall where they fall!
Now leave or I'll quickly chop off both your knees
And offer your ashes to Baal!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 03:23 PM

Time to plant the potatoes, MOM! And onions!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 03:05 PM

Argo FLIP yerself!

Har! Har!

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 02:57 PM

Argo who?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 12:19 PM

This would be Tom's reply to your question:

"Knock knock"

"Who's there?"

"Gope . . . "


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM

I learn by going where I have to go.

Shouldn't that be "when" and not "where"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 11:58 AM

39217 Prime!

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 11:58 AM

The Waking

I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I feel my fate in what I cannot fear.
I learn by going where I have to go.

We think by feeling. What is there to know?
I hear my being dance from ear to ear.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.

Of those so close beside me, which are you?
God bless the Ground! I shall walk softly there,
And learn by going where I have to go.

Light takes the Tree; but who can tell us how?
The lowly worm climbs up a winding stair;
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.

Great Nature has another thing to do
To you and me, so take the lively air,
And, lovely, learn by going where to go.

This shaking keeps me steady. I should know.
What falls away is always. And is near.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I learn by going where I have to go.


Theodore Roethke


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 11 - 11:02 AM

Amos, one of these days I may become slightly miffed with you and would have to give you a Cosmic "Tsk, tsk."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 11:17 PM

All Hail the Great Divine Entity Argo. Well, that's his first name, anyway. His last name is rarely spoken among the ranks of civilized society.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:19 PM

Yes, these two are My Creations, in whom I am somewhat pleased.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 09:40 PM

I am Pleased that the two of you are finally taking your First Baby Step on the path to True Understanding. I tell you, proceed slowly and with caution, as The Road has many Potholes and Dead-End Byways, not to mention Loops. It is even possible to get onto a Mobius Strip (which, Amos, is not some sort of thing done in "gentlemen's clubs") and Disappear Entirely.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 07:22 PM

Oh, thou snarky snidety!! I have wandered these far ranges for lo these many, many year! But never mind. I am glad we agree. Or...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 07:07 PM

Amos - I am quite in accord with you, my good fellow. ;-) You've either been doing some good reading or you are stepping on the threshold of awakening. Perhaps both.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 07:07 PM

Thou art God.
       -- Valentine Michael Smith


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 05:53 PM

"Every Jellyfish IS a Great Sea unto himself, only the tiniest fraction of which is used in running his little jelly-body.

I don't think I'll even comment on what must be running through the veins of many of those who post on this inimitable thread.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 05:00 PM

My analogy, good Hawk, is more like this: a jellyfish is partly liquid saline (a large part). One could give the jellyfish a philosophical perspective that perhaps in his transcendant form, we are all drops of water in a Great Sea; contrariwise, I would hold that every Jellyfish IS a Great Sea unto himself, only the tiniest fraction of which is used in running his little jelly-body. THere, that should make it impeccably clear and lucid.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 02:56 PM

Yes, I see what you're saying, Amos. I think that to say "cells of a larger being" is merely a metaphor or an analogy, and shouldn't be taken too literally.

A jellyfish is apparently a cooperative community of millions of tiny beings...as may be a human body, at the cellular level. Yet the jellyfish has an individual identity, a form of governing consciousness, and an individual lifespan and destiny. One wonders to what extent the millions of little beings that make up the whole jellyfish are aware of the larger picture that they are each a small part of? I think they are probably fairly much unaware of it, except when a major change occurs in the jellyfish's life, in which case they probably get a bit excited or agitated... ;-)

Kind of like we would, for example, if the planet Earth decided to rapidly change position on its axis.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 02:48 PM

No, it's not difficult. You just add another infinity to the infinities you already have.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 02:28 PM

My point is, we are not "cells of a larger being"; we are the tips of an infinity in each case, adding up to an infinity of infinities. THis is mathematically difficult, but metaphysically an ultimate sort of simplicity.

The belief that at some level we are inherently all One is very tricky, and possibly insidious in its trickiness.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 02:24 PM

I like that typo "Gust from Sanity." That tends to define his metaphysical hot air, doesn't it?

Eiseley, you've probably memorized a lot of Robert Frost by now, also. I seem to recall parsing them into many posts from some of my favorite poems as I hovered near Important Numbers. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM

There may well be an infinite number of Unmanifests, as you put it, Amos...but would they not all equate to "the Unmanifest"? I mean, given the fact that the Unmanifest has no dimension, therefore does not begin or end anywhere, it seems to me that there is really only one Unmanifest. ;-) But you could look at it as many if you wanted to, I suppose. Perhaps this is why the Hindus have so many gods and goddesses, beings with 10,000 arms, 20,000 legs, and 17,000 stomachs? But, hey...those are manifest, aren't they?!

GfS, Amos lives to post on the MOABST. Just like a dog lives to scratch itself. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:41 AM

It's clear that now our motley lot
Is hotly underway
And like an amok Hottentot
Is bound for Forty K!
We're thirty-nine and two for now,
Under the winter sun,
And none of us has even thoguht
About Kay Forty One.
But let it go, for now at least,
And let the young souls play
And sooner than an arrow lands
We'll land at Forty Kay!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:30 AM

39200

Here, Mom, have a couple of warm blueberry muffins, a fresh orange I picked from Amos's backyard, and a hot pot of java.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:13 AM

GtS:

Seems you didn't grok the post.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 11 - 10:09 AM

I happen to think that the Universe We Know is part of a meal a Cosmic Giant ate and it gave him or her a bad tummy ache and so we're on the way up or down.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 11:03 PM

Amos: "....I agree that this seems to be the case under certain conditions but I think the truth may be that there is an infinite number f unManifests, from each of which the entire universe may spring. This is much harder to explain. But that's irrelevant."

Now that's what I call, a real itch to post SOMETHING!..anything!!......But, "This is much harder to explain. But that's irrelevant."


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 10:56 PM

I disagree with LH's definitive assertion about the nature of the unManifest. I agree that this seems to be the case under certain conditions but I think the truth may be that there is an infinite number f unManifests, from each of which the entire universe may spring. This is much harder to explain. But that's irrelevant.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 09:56 PM

Rapparee: "..There is a legend, written up by Tim O'Brien in his great book...."

Shit, I knew Tim when he was in the 'Ophelia Swing Band' ..and that was before 'Hot Rise'!!!

A really great guy...and musician!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Gust from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 09:53 PM

Oh, and back to the oneness thing again.....Maybe we are all cells of a larger being...Maybe, just like when cells think the grow independently of the whole natural system, in a body...its called 'cancer'. Maybe the entire being of 'we humans' are infested with 'cancerous' cells. It happens when toxins get into the system..you know, like politics and religion!!!!!...along with some other things....like thinking you are your body, and turning your body over to things it was not intended for, and reaping the STRESS that comes as a result of it!!!

Just a thought....................

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM

Yet another great palindrome!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:38 PM

Rap is stiff and sore. We just put up shelving for quilting fabric storage.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 08:00 PM

Eiseley has probably read it at least a couple of [DOZEN] times here in MOAB.

Yep.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:44 PM

Lewis Carroll wasn't the first to get his hands on Father William. And I think Eiseley has probably read it at least a couple of times here in MOAB because I recall pacing out the few posts to a big number stanza by stanza. About the only thing we haven't done to it is set it to music. Though I suppose if one poked around the depths of YouTube, there's something out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:35 PM

There is a legend, written up by Tim O'Brien in his great book "The Things They Carried", about a platoon in Vietnam sent up a mountain to do nothing but observe -- to make no noise at all.

They sat for some days, and then the silence of the jungle on the slopes, cloaked in mist, began to talk to them. They heard music, gongs, many things, and finally they called in an airstrike to silence the silence, expending "about a billion dollars worth of ordnance" so that they wouldn't "go crazy."

I believe this is more than a legend....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 06:26 PM

True silence is awe inspiring. Many dusks up Kent County on a chilly fall day the wind dies completely and all stops. Nothing moves, not even mice in the leaves. There are no birds chirping, no squirrels nattering, nothing at all. I have snapped my fingers quietly near my ear to confirm that it is actually silent. It is eerie and humbling and peaceful - a strange mix of emotions instilled by nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 06:12 PM

Back to the Oneness thing...

In the Unmanifest, all are one. In the manifested state, all appear to be separate...like separate notes rising and fading out of the vast and omnipresent field of silence. Each note appears out of silence, sounds, then fades away and vanishes...back into silence. The silence is always there, but you don't notice it while you're focusing on a note or a group of notes.

Silence generally goes pretty much unnoticed...unless one focuses on it deliberately with real attention...or in a moment of inner stillness. Then it becomes very powerful. Without it there as a foundation, the many notes would have no field upon which to make their appearance.

That's what we're like in our manifested lives here. We are like notes arising out of a vast field of silence. When we return to that field, we are said to have "died", but what we have really done is we have rejoined the single state of formless unity that is the silence. Normal birth is birth into (the appearance of) separation. Death is rebirth into Oneness. (in my opinion)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 04:34 PM

1922, James Joyce, Ulysses Episode 16 "
"For the nonce he was rather nonplussed but inasmuch as the duty plainly devolved upon him to take some measures on the subject he pondered suitable ways and means during which Stephen repeatedly yawned."

Now, I have been, on several occasions, nonplussed for the nonce, but it doesn't pay, I tell ya. The nonce never appreciates it, not a word of thanks do you get, nor any repayment. You will never find the nonce being nonplussed for YOU, oh, no. It's not in its character to do that sort of thing for others. My advice is not to invest your efforts there, and to choose instead to be non-plussed for All Eternity, who at least might win a game or two, or even sweep the league.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 04:29 PM

I love being the hero of your cvreative impulses, Rapp. But I think the earlier versions were definitely lacking. If you had not beat me to it, in the leisure ofyour retirement, I would have written an improvement upon them; but yours will serve for the nonce.

Speaking of the nonce, has anyone seen It? I know I had it just a little while ago, but it seems to have escaped My Attention (in which I had it held fast) and gone off somewhere. Fucking nonce is always up to some damn thing,...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 03:57 PM

"You are old, father Amos," the young man cried,
    "And what hair you have left is all puce;
    You are hailed, father Amos, by bailiffs and cops
    And I do not believe it a ruse."

    "In the days of my youth," father Amos replied,
    "I remember'd to get out of town fast,
    And abus'd not my health and my vigour at first,
    In case her old man caught us at last."

    "You are old, father Amos," the young man cried,
    "And your friends have all passed away.
    And yet you lament not the friends that are gone;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "In the days of my youth," father Amos replied,
    "I framed all of my friends;
    I thought of the future, whatever I did,
    So that they would hang for my sins."

    "You are old, father Amos," the young man cried,
    "And life must be hast'ning away;
    You are cheerful and love to converse upon death;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "I am cheerful, young man," father Amos replied,
    "And now your full attention's begun;
    In the days of my youth I practiced my aim,
    So I can shoot the balls off a flea with my gun,
    Now DANCE, ya damned little punk!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 03:40 PM

The Old Man's Comforts
And How He Gained Them

   by Robert Southey*

"You are old, father William," the young man cried,
    "The few locks which are left you are grey;
    You are hale, father William, a hearty old man;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "In the days of my youth," father William replied,
    "I remember'd that youth would fly fast,
    And abus'd not my health and my vigour at first,
    That I never might need them at last."

    "You are old, father William," the young man cried,
    "And pleasures with youth pass away.
    And yet you lament not the days that are gone;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "In the days of my youth," father William replied,
    "I rememberd that youth could not last;
    I thought of the future, whatever I did,
    That I never might grieve for the past."

    "You are old, father William," the young man cried,
    "And life must be hast'ning away;
    You are cheerful and love to converse upon death;
    Now tell me the reason, I pray."

    "I am cheerful, young man," father William replied,
    "Let the cause thy attention engage;
    In the days of my youth I remember'd my God!
    And He hath not forgotten my age."


*Who also wrote "Goldilocks and the Three Bears"


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