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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Amos 08 Jan 10 - 03:18 AM
Rapparee 07 Jan 10 - 09:16 PM
GUEST,Capt. James T. Kirk 07 Jan 10 - 07:00 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 07 Jan 10 - 06:19 PM
Donuel 07 Jan 10 - 05:45 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 07 Jan 10 - 04:32 PM
GUEST,Capt. James T. Kirk 07 Jan 10 - 03:26 PM
Amos 07 Jan 10 - 02:50 PM
Amos 07 Jan 10 - 01:22 PM
Little Hawk 07 Jan 10 - 01:19 PM
GUEST,Capt. James T. Kirk 07 Jan 10 - 12:32 PM
Amos 07 Jan 10 - 10:49 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 07 Jan 10 - 10:45 AM
Rapparee 07 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 06 Jan 10 - 11:46 PM
Rapparee 06 Jan 10 - 10:22 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 06 Jan 10 - 07:51 PM
Donuel 06 Jan 10 - 07:34 PM
Rapparee 06 Jan 10 - 04:41 PM
MMario 06 Jan 10 - 03:54 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jan 10 - 03:51 PM
Amos 06 Jan 10 - 03:28 PM
Donuel 06 Jan 10 - 03:14 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jan 10 - 02:33 PM
Amos 06 Jan 10 - 02:26 PM
Amos 06 Jan 10 - 02:20 PM
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Little Hawk 06 Jan 10 - 02:01 PM
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Amos 06 Jan 10 - 12:26 PM
Acme 06 Jan 10 - 11:41 AM
Amos 06 Jan 10 - 10:06 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 06 Jan 10 - 09:56 AM
Rapparee 06 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM
MMario 06 Jan 10 - 09:28 AM
Rapparee 06 Jan 10 - 09:22 AM
Little Hawk 06 Jan 10 - 02:44 AM
Acme 05 Jan 10 - 11:41 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 03:18 AM

This man is obviously an impostor. He would never arm photon torpedoes in a diplomatic situation.

A torpedo made of photons does not acheive its destructive power through aggregate mass, Rapaire. It is too light, indeed...therein lies the art of its devilish design. Like certain girls from my college days, it works not through doing work but through excitation into states of incandescent irrepressibility.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 09:16 PM

Wouldn't a photon torpedo be to light for the job?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Capt. James T. Kirk
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 07:00 PM

"Arm photon torpedoes."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 06:19 PM

To: Captain James T. Kirk
      Commander, USS Enterprise
      Starfleet Command


Dear Captain Kirk:

Thank you for your interest in The Mother of All BS Threads.

Regretfully, the MOAB has reached its maximum capacity for fictional characters and we are unable to accept any further posts from you or anyone else aboard the Enterprise at this time.

We invite you to resubmit your posts at a later date, after we kill off a few more of Little Hawk's imaginary playmates.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:45 PM

Its worse thant that Jim, you killed her.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 04:32 PM

CLICK!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Capt. James T. Kirk
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 03:26 PM

"Yeoman Rand, report to captain's quarters, please. Yeoman Rand, report to captain's quarters."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 02:50 PM

If I could fall, and never hit the ground
By just forgetting to, like an
ALzheimer's patient who never goes
To the bathroom...
Would this be terrific? Out of space,
Out of time, Down on Newton
And out of this calaboose by
Simply forgetting the laws.
This holds terrific promise
As a way to empty prisons everywhere
And send the rascals flying.

Dora Whittaker, Grade eleven
Tallahassee Rickards High School, 1969


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 01:22 PM

Feeling like a fool can certainly occur for a number of reasons. One would be actually being a fool and catching oneself out at it. Another might be being badly imagined by an author who is oneself something of a fool. A third might be believing one is the imagined product of someone of whom one is NOT in fact the imagined product.

In your case, Captain, all three might apply, but you have demonstrated over and over again you have the courage to face puzzling situations, so I am sure you will sort this one out in short order. If all else fails, ask Spock. He digs logic.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 01:19 PM

Don't panic, Jim! It's not true. I did not create William Shatner. William Shatner was created in the usual fashion...his parents had sexual intercourse, and about nine months later William burst forth upon an unsuspecting world. At first, only a few people noticed, but by the time he had reached the age to attend university at McGill in Montreal, Canada, William was turning heads everywhere with his incredible grasp of the principles of both drama and seduction. He went on to boldly emote on the Shakespearian stage as none had emoted before! Critics were impressed. The public was stunned. And that was only the beginning.

Never fear, Jim, I did not create William Shatner. But if I could have...I definitely would have.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Capt. James T. Kirk
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 12:32 PM

I can't believe my eyes. I must pause to catch my breath. It says right here that Willam Shatner is a creation of Little Hawk!

Why didn't anyone tell me? I feel like such a fool. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 10:49 AM

WHen in doubt, fall back on a breakfast recipe from 2001. WHich, now being NINE YEARS AGO instead of "just yesterday", is practically antediluvian in perspective, ancient, corroded, old-fashioned and out of date, back there with zoot suits, disco, golden eagles, oxcarts, hand-made bows, muskets, and three-pole travois in the Closet of the Long FOrgotten Old Stuff.

Hey, mom!! You up? Here's a diet smoothie for ya.


As to metaphysics, I did not mean theimagniation is metaphysical, but it is certainly in that boundary zone; it disobeys the laws of physics, and has its own inertial powers, and its own laws. Call it what you will. My core assertion is that it is a fine destination, but less useful as a place of retreat.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 10:45 AM

What? No grits? As a side effect of Mom's recent excursion to Baton Rouge, Lafayette, and The Flor-Bama Lounge, she is now hopelessly addicted to grits with lots of hot peppers in 'em. Better find some or she'll be upset. And Mom drinks her coffee black. You can put the cream back in the fridge.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM

Fair day, good Mom. Here's a nice breakfast of scrambled eggs Benedict, nice fresh biscuits, raspberry jam, butter, fresh wild strawberries, Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee, demarara sugar, heavy cream, cold fresh pineapply juice, and some of those apple-chicken sausages you like so much. Oh! and some wild honey.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 11:46 PM

Hitting the ground is easy. It's forgetting to hit the ground that's the hard part.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 10:22 PM

Bee-Dubya, I've hit the ground many, many times. Sometimes I was even sober.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 07:51 PM

Editorial mode ON:

This, The Mother of All BS Threads, is also like a Zen koan. We MOABites seek enlightenment by spouting BS, having intuited that the juncture of consciousness and absurd wit is one place at which it may be found. It's a bit like Arthur Dent in A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy learning to fly by falling and forgetting to hit the ground. Too much seriousness in the MOAB makes it difficult to fall and down right impossible to forget to hit the ground.

Editorial mode OFF.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 07:34 PM

as per MOAB unwritten rules...I defer to the higher megaphysical Rapaire. His exploits at the Iditerod were phenomenal! No one else thought of using a 500 mile extension cord but him. That is real outside the box stuff.

Amos
Personally I don't see the psychology of imagination as metaphysical or hard to understand. Maybe you have created a variety of metaphysical quarks that confuse more than elucidate like "chasing the significance". There is a minefield of jargon that was probably invented by charlatans to charge for extra lectures or authors who needed more than 3 chapters to get published.
Sometimes complexity is invented for egotisical reasons. Perish the thought, we all know that you would never self agrandize or proclaim prima donna status. However I have read more than a 100 posts of yours that seemed to be intentionaly designed to confound. Then again I ain't that smart and can be confounded easily in the 4th dimension.

Hey have you ever asked your unconscious or a dimensional being to explain something unknown to you in terms you might understand and have the answer appear to you in 3D visual graphics? I did this a lot but to actually say it out loud might cause some people with different word definitions to ascribe a disorder to the process rather than call it a normal phenomenon.

(we tossed the ball to Amos Andy tossed it back a 1000 yards further)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 04:41 PM

LH, why would you want to create some sort of higher being when you've got me???

And by the way, I've just done as you asked and added 25 years to your age. You will soon be contacted by a band of itinerant biker druggies who will use your abode as a staging area for drug deals throughout Ontario, Holland, German, and so on.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 03:54 PM

Ahem!

MOM would like me to point out that recent addendums to this thread are straying dangerously near serious discussion and that is not encouraged in MOAB land.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 03:51 PM

I'm sure that regular yoga practice would do much to fix scoliosis, Donuel, but the part about the pot smoking surprises me! ;-) I can't stand the stuff. It stinks.

I think those "reality" bullies you speak of are working mainly from their reptilian brain stem...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 03:28 PM

I know the kind you mean, Donuel--they are on the brink of not surviving and lash out in desperation because, to some degree, their own certainties are eroding fast.

There is one important zig-zag in the metaphysics, though. If you have subscribed to a common universe such as the apparent physical universe, and agreed to its spatiality and continuity and persistence and solidity, etc., and then try to jump up the pole to a high level of awareness and deny all those agreements without fully examining your own part in them, you are chasing a significance and claiming it is an actuality. People do this when they cannot look at existence straight on.

High metaphysical truth is a grand destination, but not so good as a hiding place, if you see my point. This is not an accusation in any way, just an observation about the general workings of the subject.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 03:14 PM

I have seen Scoliosis cured over 4 years. The curve in Richard's spine was 5 inches one way and 5 inches the other. His spine looked like a snake. THe agony was hard to watch.
Besides smoking pounds of pot , he did Yoga and underwent Chiropractic treatment twice a week for 3 years then tapered down to occaisional sessions. His back now appears straight.



I know people who use the word 'reality' in a bullying sense. These people allude to the savage reality that they will accept and use any form of violence to achieve their goal of preserving their reality. To these people assasination is but a necessary tool in their toolbox of reality that is justified by previous uses of the tool. The People who say this call themselves Republicans but they are really something far more primitive no matter how much they see themselves as elder statesmen.


u + everything else is my creation.
Rapaire, thats one way to put it but it is more cryptic and poetic than prose.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:33 PM

I'd really like to do something of that sort, Amos...and I do imagine such enlightened beings a great deal and I draw inspiration from them...but there's a problem in presenting them here, because they are sacred to me.

I think that many people would show them no respect at all, attack them, ridicule them, and take delight in picking on them endlessly.

And I simply couldn't tolerate it. I will not expose pearls to the assault of swine if I can help it. Therefore I am sparing myself the pain of going through all that by creating more wacky and quirky and troublesome characters...as I don't mind it if people throw stones at them. It doesn't upset me to see a fool like Shane or a rough and tumble character like Chongo or an unassailable fortress of self-satisfied smug superiority like Ms Penelope or William Shatner getting picked on by people. They can take it, and it doesn't hurt me to see them being picked on, because, well, they just might deserve it! ;-)

As for Corridus, he was a cheery little adventurer and all round good fellow, wouldn't you say? Hamsters are pretty straightforward.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:26 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:20 PM

Well, y'all have no argument from me; I have wandered these realms for many hours, too, and I think Donuel is quite correct--from one perspective the "all-embracing" material continuum is a pinpoint in a tapestry of rich creations. I do not believe the hypnotic element is necessary, as long as one is in a safe environment in which to focus on the subject.

Now, LH, I do apologize for my uncivil act in bumping off Chongo that way. It may serve as a reminder that practicing solipsism in a communal sphere is, as Rapaire occasionally demonstrates, a less then benevolent act.

But that is no excuse for my rude behaviour, nor is any offered. However, since we are agreed on the remarkable power of creative will applied to populating our territories, how about, rather than a gun-slinging chimp with bad manners and questionable sexual habits, you focus your powers on creating a higher order of being, a Wizard, a Magis Magi, a powerful Enlightener who can beam the good, the true, the inspired into every corner of our shabby common ground and thus raise the standard of being for all of us?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:20 PM

That being the case, I would like you to make me 25 years younger than I am now, cure my scoliosis and poor vision, and provide me with enough cash to hire a really good band and record a couple of albums and go on tour in Japan, Holland, or Germany.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:17 PM

How true, how true.

Of course, you are simply stating what I have been saying all along: you and everything else is MY creation.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:10 PM

The hypnotized person is seeing and hearing thought forms that ARE there...in the consciousness of the hynotized person.

It's rather like experiencing a dream. It's a real event in consciousness, though not in an outward sense of physicality in this physical world of phenomena.

I have been in hypnotic trance, and it's quite interesting, because it's like experiencing 2 completely different realities at the same time...at least it was for me. On the one hand, I was experiencing events in some other lives I appear to have lived (in the past), while at the same time I was fully aware that I was HERE in the here and now, lying on a couch in a hypnotic trance, going through the experiences of a previous lifetime in my mind.

In that sense, it was a more aware situation than most dreams are, because in dreams I am generally ONLY aware of the "dream" reality.

Under hypnosis both realities seemed absolutely real to me...right down to the physcial sensations. Naturally, the one that was more dramatic tended to take up the greater part of my attention at any given time, but I never forgot that I was still in this present reality too, lying there on the couch.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:01 PM

Beautifully put, Donuel.

We constantly shape our perception of "reality" by how we shape our thoughts about it. As our thoughts change our perceptions of reality change.

As soon as a group of people develop the concept of a "God", then that God exists as a thought-form-energy and becomes part of their reality...but NOT part of the reality of some other person who doesn't think about that God or believe in it.

Anything you think about affects you, specially when you also believe in it. Thus it becomes real...in its effect upon you. It may have no effect at all on someone else, but it affects you because you are thinking about it, and your own thinking affects your being at many levels.

Every fictional character I've worked with in stories has affected me...and often to a far greater extent than many of the so-called "real" people I talk to on this forum! The fictional character that I create is closer to me and in my thoughts more often than most of the people I talk to on this forum. So despite the fact that the fictional character isn't physically in this world, he or she takes real effect upon my consciousness, and that affects my life.

I can, for instance, more easily dispense with (or forget about) Amos than I can dispense with or forget about Chongo Chimp! ;-) Amos doesn't get this, so he frivolously decides to kill off Chongo and knows not what he does. Heh! Well, I guess that's not surprising. He is, after all, the most important (or central) person in his own drama, just as I am in mine.

I know Chongo better than Amos, and I would miss him terribly if he were gone. I'd miss Amos a bit too....but...well...you know. He can't compete with the child of my own imagination. After all, I've never even met him, and I've definitely met Chongo since he resides within my own mental and emotional being. I know him as well as I know myself, and I certainly can't say that about Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 01:36 PM

It occured to me that juxtaposing the words reality and realize is practicly a Zen Koan.



It teaches about the the reality of bringing the imaginary into the reality of existence.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 01:25 PM

imaginary characters will outlive everyone here.

If you missed the South Park movie Imaginationland, it is the most blatant in your face statement in primary colors regarding imaginary characters. It is totally overdone and really sucks balls (about 234 times) but almost all our cultural imaginary characters are rendered there.

My point of view is colored by having been a hypnotist most of my adult life and seeing the results of applied imagination. Most of us think a hypnotised person is seeing and hearing things that aren;t there. Yes and no. The experience is still a second person expereince in that the hypnotised person sees themselves imagining and not really vividly hallucinating. Just like when you about to fall asleep and you imagine that you are about to slip and fall and your whole body jerks in an attempt to prevent falling. You are aware that you were not falling in reality but that it only seemed like it.

When considering imaginary characters we need to realize that people are acting as if these characters are real and as a result they make real effects in our world. So when it is said that imaginary characters are real, they truely are real ibouncing back and forth in between the virtual and actual world like virtual particles that enter our universe and either annihilate, combine or dissappear from where they came from.

For some it is an epiphany or great revelation to learn that imaginary characters are real in this way. For Shamen or tribal Indians it is understood more directly than for a classicly western trained person. For fiction writers it is inately understood.

Perhaps you too know that in this sense the imaginary is real. But maybe you do not know the full extent of this peculiar reality.
It is enormous. It is brain 'explodingly huge'.

Yet you can live your entire life and never be bothered by not fully knowing that the imaginary character and all its contructs is real.


So whenever you hear that overused cliche "No Bill, the reality is...", you should smile inside and remember that reality is merely what is not disproven today. The reality was at one time that the Earth was flat and so on and so forth.

So "in reality" , reality is an agreed upon, flexible and metamorphising imaginary construct that only serves us for a short time until the next new truth or imagined truth changes that reality into the next newer version of reality. (smile) Silly but true.

It was sometime between the age of 4 and 5 that I knew this to be true. It was when I realized that my life sometimes felt like a movie and a movie sometimes felt like life. This notion grew more sophisticated over time but this was the initial understanding of the psychological tricks that are being played upon people by using or misusing imagination. Merely knowing this does not make one entirely immune to its power to distort or falsly incite people's perception, but it is a damn good vaccine.




For the highly religious among us, this kind of understanding is what the high priests guard or even openly admit. The power of the physics of imagination is undeterred by knowing who is behind the curtain, whether it is the wizard or a prophet.   For the athiests among us, forgive me for repeating what you already know.

Your generous and humble servant,
Don H.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 12:26 PM

YEah, well, some day she will be grateful we supplied her with all those mnemomic devices. When her thirteenth great grandchild is born and she has to ask if it's a boy or a girl, not because her eyesight is weak but because her memory lets her down.

Then she can just duck into that hall bathroom on the third floor and scan the reminders...assuming she can carry the memory on the trip back downstairs...but at least it could save her some embarassment and that's why the far-sighted, futuristic-thinking Rapaire drew all those anatomical sketches and BWL labeled all the parts in red ink...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 11:41 AM

Mnemonic devices. That's what those sketches and calendars and picture art were. MOM has been trying to get you guys to stop drawing pictures on the bathroom walls for years, and I know she has used that term. I remember her shouting at BWL to just draw on the Playboy magazine, not on the walls, when he's in there. And Amos is supposed to keep his sharpie confined to his New Yorker.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 10:06 AM

You have a point there, BeeDub!

LH, "buying the farm" is a metaphor for the deceased's recent transition. Sorry I was not clear.

Official mourning is scheduled for another eleven days.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 09:56 AM

It's not polite to point? Tell that to this guy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM

She said to me, "Son, it's not polite to point unless you're going to run the [deleted] through. It's also not polite to use the edge unless you're going to slice him from neck to navel, or from crotch to collarbone, or simply lop off his head and come galumphing back. Remember these things, my beemish boy."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 09:28 AM

Didn't MOM teach you it's not polite to point?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 09:22 AM

Purely oral??? What about all those petroglyphs, pictoglyphs, and hide "calendars"? Granted it wasn't written language as we know it, but it was just as written down as the cave paintings in Altamira: a way to pass knowledge on to others. Because WE can't read it means nothing -- we can't read Linear A, either. However, there ARE some alive today who CAN read the glyphs.

(I'll quietly point out the Inukshuk as well.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 02:44 AM

Yes, they had a powerful oral tradition, and it served them well. I think you would find that all societies who didn't use books (or something of that sort) had a strong oral tradition, and it's a very effective way of maintaining a culture. Matter of fact, I think people who learn by oral tradition develop better memory and concentration than those who learn from books...because you don't have to remember what's in a book...you can just go back and read it again if you forgot some part. With an oral tradition, you're more likely to remember all the parts in a story quite clearly once you've learned it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 11:41 PM

LH said The entire Plains Indians culture was composed of people who "never read even a single work of great literature, you could come to realize that there is a kind of purity in such a literatureless character, unpolluted by a myriad of opinions regarding; good, evil, love, betrayal, generousity, motivation, greed, hubris and humility. Only very personal and real life experiences shape that character's point of view."

These cultures are not literature less, they have rich storytelling traditions. They may not have read books with European literature, but they had great tales and a wonderful pantheon of gods that included tricksters (who were demoted by christian zealots who feared them, and this ties in perfectly to some of the cartoonish tricksters Donuel was discussing).

My favorite cartoon characters when I was small were Porky Pig and Betty Boop.















I know. I know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 09:43 PM

I'll see your Snoopy and Charlie Brown and raise you a Chief Broom and a Randall P. McMurphy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 05:32 PM

Chongo would make a pretty good salesman, Donuel, but he prefers more dangerous professions, such as: detective, soldier of fortune, bodyguard, that sort of thing...and he likes being his own boss. This is why he decided to be a private investigator rather than a cop. That, and the fact that there's a lot of specism out there on the force. Note how few chimps can be found in the L.A.P.D.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 05:18 PM

LH
Chongo may not be a good farmer but as a pitchman, he might be the best. Forget Fitz or BILLY MIERS, Chongo could sell an Eskimo a condo in Florida. So easy even Chongo can do it! My view of other drivers would make him a good pitchman for car insurance too.

Also who better to dig up all the money business on K street than Chongo. As a distant relative of the Bush family he even has an inside look at the power of assasination behind certain political families.




Amos while you rarely attribute who your posts are directed towards you may not know that my affection toward the writers behind names like Ebbie, Stilly and Bee are as large as a warm setting sun.

Cartoon characters that shape our childhood are more important than some of our teachers. Seeing a beagel dance with joy or Charlie Brown mope in self doubt might still effect you viserally.

Imprinted characters stay with us all life long. My fav is Wile.
Yep, Wile E Coyote may be most representative of the human condition by chasing after the next technological solution but always meets failure because of poor aim while destroying the enviorment and himself with schemes that are a dollar short and a second late.

As for Porky Pig, if he had only been a smart heart throb of an elegant creature, a lot of stuttering kids would have had an easier time handling mean spirited teasing. Its too bad that animal cartoon characters chosen were prone to derision like pigs and skunks.
But how can you depise a sponge, starfish, crab or squid. Their character choices were truly genius. Once you buy into them even an underwater squirrel or an underwater campfire flow without effort. Jack Nicholson was asked about SpongeBob and he said "when watching the grand kids I found that Spongebob was the only cartoon I could stomach. For Jack that is a great compliment.



Breaking News
Joan Rivers was not allowed to board a commercial flight today because when ordered to take off her mask she could not.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 04:39 PM

S'cuse me, Amos! I meant to say: "Amos - Actually, Chongo has not bought the farm. He was unable to raise the necessary cash to even make a very modest downpayment. The owner has found another buyer."

A good thing, really, because Chongo just isn't cut out to be a farmer. He doesn't have the patience for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 04:25 PM

What you said in your last post was beautifully put, Donuel. The entire Plains Indians culture was composed of people who "never read even a single work of great literature, you could come to realize that there is a kind of purity in such a literatureless character, unpolluted by a myriad of opinions regarding; good, evil, love, betrayal, generousity, motivation, greed, hubris and humility. Only very personal and real life experiences shape that character's point of view."

And thus are many of the other older or more isolated cultures. Such people possess a natural awareness of who they are which arises from the direct experience of life itself...rather than as a bunch of vicarious thought-forms stitched together from things they've read about what other people said or did or seen on some video screen.

As such, frankly, I envy them for what they were and for what we are not and never can be...because we've all been inundated with vicarious thought-forms.

******

Bee-dub - Well put! ;-)

Amos - Actually, Amos has not bought the farm. He was unable to raise the necessary cash to even make a very modest downpayment. The owner has found another buyer.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 03:56 PM

Five thirty six!! Five thirty seven!!
Quick as a year, the Kay goes By,
The winds of time are no more cruel
Than BS in a time-crossed eye.
The BS clock paces anon,
And BS night comes close to BS day.
Now must each child of Mom
Think, think on the coming next of Kay!


Augusta Featherstone Trompe-L'Oeil
Time's Folly in Folly's Time
Brown and Fowler-Stylle, Punk Row, London, 1878


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 03:54 PM

LH, did you say you're a leakin' frig end in your own time?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 02:28 PM

The First Law, Second Corollary, states: That which Is Pure BS should not be taken Personally....



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 02:17 PM

Bee and Stilly both know how to push me beyond my breadth of knowledge and literature with a single sentence. I think they are on to me. For me literature talks things to death as often as bringing them to life.

If you were to imagine a character who has never read even a single work of great literature, you could come to realize that there is a kind of purity in such a literatureless character, unpolluted by a myriad of opinions regarding; good, evil, love, betrayal, generousity, motivation, greed, hubris and humility. Only very personal and real life experiences shape that character's point of view.

Some may think that person would be illiterate and say that a person who can not read is the same as the person who does not, yet such a unique personae is virtually a biblical character is often the subject of great literature. A purely internally shaped character is quite different from, lets take for example, students of literary classics. One lives before one's own thoughts and actions, while the other lives more in a virtual world of other people's internal dialog. Differences exist no matter how you would compare and contrast the tabula raza personae with the most well read intellectual character.

History is full of the uneducated robber barons as well as the uneducated artists of sublime perfection. Many a story is about the peril of calling the illiterate "scum" "a stupid shit", only to be bested ar every turn by the "scum". Such is a day in the life of such scum.

In short it is a matter of pre concieved limitations and linear thinking versus a wide scope of fearless possibilities that defines most characters. A person who has not read a single book, picks up the melody on their own and sometimes is the composer.

Take for example the motivation felt by Wile E Coyote. It is hunger and survival but it is also a pride that intellect will outperform mere speed. etc. etc. yadayada yada yada yada.

For whom it may apply, and if it applies to thee:
Stick that in your Kindle and smoke it.








Rap,

'Corrado' Soprano was more of a nightmarish character who was indeed a ham.


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