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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Little Hawk 20 Jan 08 - 12:43 PM
Amos 20 Jan 08 - 12:28 PM
Little Hawk 20 Jan 08 - 12:22 PM
Stilly River Sage 20 Jan 08 - 02:35 AM
Amos 20 Jan 08 - 12:13 AM
Stilly River Sage 19 Jan 08 - 01:19 PM
Amos 19 Jan 08 - 11:30 AM
Janie 19 Jan 08 - 08:24 AM
Stilly River Sage 19 Jan 08 - 03:07 AM
Janie 19 Jan 08 - 01:06 AM
Amos 19 Jan 08 - 12:16 AM
Janie 18 Jan 08 - 11:11 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 08 - 08:04 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 08 - 06:35 PM
Amos 18 Jan 08 - 06:06 PM
Rapparee 18 Jan 08 - 03:31 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 08 - 10:10 AM
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Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 08 - 01:19 AM
Amos 18 Jan 08 - 12:36 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 12:43 PM

Yes, I suppose that could be it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 12:28 PM

It's kid of a back-up device for the mnd. You wouldn't want all that input to just vanish, would you? You might lose your mind.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 12:22 PM

Most books I will read once...and that's enough. The books that I choose to read again and again are extremely rare...I could count them on the fingers of one hand.

And yet I keep ALL those other books. Why? Is it that I like to be reminded of the things I once read but never shall again? Is it that I can't let go of the past? Is it sheer inertia? Is it the desire (like Woody Allen in one of those funny movies) to impress visitors and prospective dates/lovers with my stunning and fascinating collection of books?

LOL!!! Well, it's not that last one, anyway....

Is it the fear that I might someday want to reread various of those books, so if I were to get rid of them now, then I would lose the chance later to do so?

Hmmm.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 02:35 AM

I've been organizing the books in my front room. Big job. Fifteen feet of wall space six shelves high. I'm up to the letter M now in the fiction authors as I put them back. I've culled about six linear feet of books so far, but I don't know if that's enough to fit everything in here. Amongst other sources of books, I've opened several boxes that have sat it my hall for a while. My sister has been clearing out at her house. I wish I'd opened these earlier--included in there is my father's three-volume set of Child ballads (separated from the rest of the collection at estate settling time). Back home again, finally, with most of his other books. Means I'll have to work on the shelves in my office as well.

It's enough to get them in order. Who has the time to catalog them? Oy!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 12:13 AM

Ohh, Mom, it's growing late.
How silent now, your garden gate.
How still in shadow your porch swing,
Your parlor door and bronzed bell-ring.
Where are your children, Mom of mine?
Have they left you far from mind?
Have they wandered, free but wild?
Alas, the sting of ingrate child,
How sharper, deeper and in truth,
More poison than a serpent's tooth!
Come, sit with me, and share a glass,
Until this sorrow deep shall pass.
Oh, let it pass, this mother's sorrow --
I'm sure they'll all be back tomorrow!
Offering breakfast, and, I guess,
Begging for some of your B.S.


Winifred Doramour D'Ennui
The Rhythm Of A Lonely Night
Collected Poems, 1911-1993
Endless Publications, ed., New York, 1993.5


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 01:19 PM

Reminds me of the snowsuit scene in A Christmas Story.

"I can't put my arms down!"

"Put them down when you get to school."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 11:30 AM

Hell, if that's how they are going to spend their vacation they coulda just gone down to the basement and duct-taped themselves to the heating vents. Think of the money they'd have saved!! :D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 08:24 AM

Envisioning Rapaire and spouse warm and so heavily bundled that they can't move :>)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 03:07 AM

Good for you, Janie.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 01:06 AM

LOL, Amos!    That is exactly what I thought.   

As I recall, most of what I wrote in that survey was on behalf of the 'little guy.'   Had the call come in 2 minutes before the appointment time with one of my private practice clients, I may have decided to be 5 minutes late with the appointment for the sake of my own ego.    But that 'little guy' in the waiting room of the public clinic has spent most of his life being treated as not important enough to not be kept waiting. It would have been the height of hypocrisy had I chosen to be late with him for a phone call such as this.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 12:16 AM

YeehaAA!

Don't worry Janie--if there's one thing PRI has an abundant reserve of, it's various opinions.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 11:11 PM

Rats. I missed my moment for fame and glory.   

My cell phone rang this afternoon just as stood to go fetch my 2:00 client. It was some one with PRI's Marketplace, asking for additional comments to those I had made on a recent on-line survey I had to responded to regarding the presidential candidates and the economy. I didn't have time to talk. She politely asked when would be a good time to call back.

Oh well. Probably that was best. Me write smarter than me talk.

Hey Mom, we might actually get enough snow to go sled riding tomorrow night! I hope Rapaire didn't cadge your woolies for his and Pat's trip.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 08:04 PM

Quitting time! Three days off! Yeah!

Where's that list of chores? . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 06:35 PM

It looks so inviting! (I think that's called Paint Pot.) In fact, here are a WHOLE bunch of HOLES to consider for dipping or mudpacks, what have you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 06:06 PM

It's not being in the tub that gets you -- it's trying to get out before your equipment falls off.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 03:31 PM

The high Monday in West Yellowstone is supposed to be 4F. The high. I'm not going into a hot tub, with or without seats and towel racks!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:10 AM

Don't render yourselves while you're there. Stay away from the hot tubs that don't have wooden benches and towel racks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 09:04 AM

It's a gift to you all.

This evening I'm going to West Yellowstone and then into the Park tomorrw. I'll be back Monday, God willin' and the snow don't rise too much. West is expecting up to a foot tomorrow, and high temps in the single digits. But we have warm clothes and heavy-duty coats (my parka is rated to -40F and I'll layer the clothing) and boots (Sorels, with felt liners) so we should be okay.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 01:19 AM

Brrrrr! Rapaire, I think some of your Idaho winter leaked out and got all over Texas. You need to come clean up this stuff!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 12:36 AM

Clearly not as far as it might...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:26 PM

...Rapaire might become a pacifist...

Humph. Rapaire IS a pacifist. You don't shoot at him and he won't shoot at you...and if you DO shoot at him he firmly believes that there ain't nothin' quite so peaceful as a dead man (as long as it isn't him).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 08:32 PM

Well there ya go.

Now, the real question is, how far does this go?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 08:28 PM

heck - back in the 70's while taking fermentations we had a weekly wine tasting; at the end of one class the teaching assistants confessed that the labels had all been switched on the bottles; it dumbfounded some of the wine snobs in the class - and vindicated those of us who insisted we liked some of the cheap label wines we'd been served.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 07:47 PM

Mom:

I hate to drag science into such an important thread, but this is big:

Marketing actions can modulate neural representations of experienced pleasantness


Hilke Plassmann*, John O'Doherty*, Baba Shiv, and Antonio Rangel*,

*Division of the Humanities and Social Sciences, California Institute of Technology, MC 228-77, Pasadena, CA 91125; and Stanford Graduate School of Business, Stanford University, 518 Memorial Way, Littlefield L383, Stanford, CA94305

Edited by Leslie G. Ungerleider, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD, and approved December 3, 2007 (received for review July 24, 2007)

Abstract

"Despite the importance and pervasiveness of marketing, almost nothing is known about the neural mechanisms through which it affects decisions made by individuals. We propose that marketing actions, such as changes in the price of a product, can affect neural representations of experienced pleasantness. We tested this hypothesis by scanning human subjects using functional MRI while they tasted wines that, contrary to reality, they believed to be different and sold at different prices.

Our results show that increasing the price of a wine increases subjective reports of flavor pleasantness as well as blood-oxygen-level-dependent activity in medial orbitofrontal cortex, an area that is widely thought to encode for experienced pleasantness during experiential tasks. The paper provides evidence for the ability of marketing actions to modulate neural correlates of experienced pleasantness and for the mechanisms through which the effect operates."

From the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences

So let's get this straight.

"Monsiieur, I regret to inform you you are drinking Chateau Ripple December 2007."

"C'est impossible!!! The label says it costs $200 a bottle!!! It takes just like Chateau Lafayette of 1928!!"

"Ah, a thousand pardons, monsieur -- that is the price per ship-container, approximately 24,000 gallons in your measurement...".

But what is really important is the link here between belief and experience.

The degree to which belief monitors the experience of the individual has never been plumbed, and the reason this is terribly significant, obviously is that if amethodology could be trained for selecting and modifying belief, one's experience of the world might tailor itself accordingly. No telling how far this goes. Rapaire might become a pacifist, and Little Hawk become a professional tool-and-die maker. Why, anything might be possible!!!



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 07:08 PM

I believe the application of a little quiet but irrepressible genius has sorted the matter out, gennulmen. Never fear, an' never tell. That's what I say.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 01:15 PM

No one messes with Big Mick's street cred!

This is serious. I'm afraid that we may find Amos's mangled body lying in some dark alley soon...apparently the victim of a "random attack by some wandering lunatic"...

If so, it will be a profound loss to all true aficionados of loquacious doggerel. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 12:26 PM

A lass and a lack! Woo is me! Poor Amos. Poor, poor Amos. He's done gone and messed with Big Mick's street cred.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 10:49 AM

You must admit, it's kinda nifty
To be at twenty-one six fifty.
And just past yonder Seven 'Leven,
You can see the lights of two-one-seven.
THis is cool man! It's the bomb!
Let's hear it for our gnarly Mom.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:57 AM

The moving hand writes, and having writ moves on....

Sadly, for thee and me, it is.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:48 AM

Is it too late to insert the HTML to end the italics?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:47 AM

Gun safety is NEVER unreasonable, and the good re-enactment groups and reenactors are VERY VERY careful about it. Notice sometime in movies like "Gettysburg" and "Glory" that the volley fire is aimed high -- the guns are not leveled at the "enemy" for even a wad or burning powder can hurt someone.

In Randolph B. Marcy's book The Prairie Traveler (1859, 1988), he says, ...Never point your gun at another, whether charged or uncharged, and never allow another to point his gun at you. [Emphasis Marcy's] (page 171 in the 1988 reprint).

You were absolutely correct; he was dead wrong and probably knew it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:45 AM

Well, it's the same impulse people have when they pick up a new pen. THey want to write something with it. Its purpose is to offer a message. With guns, it's just a nastier message.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 12:09 AM

So often when people pick up guns, toy or real, they feel the need to point them at someone. I was photographing a talk by a Texas Revolution reenactor in the library parlor (meeting room) and he was letting kids hold the rifle. One kid pointed the gun my way and I told him "point that thing up." The reenactor assured me "it's not loaded." Duh. "That doesn't matter," I told him. Next kid comes along, has to point the gun at me. I don't snap often, but I suggested he not hand the gun to kids if he wasn't going to at least tell them not to ever point a gun at people (I left out the spiel about living things, with the exception of game being hunted, etc.) My message was very simple. And from his reaction, it's like I came off being unreasonable. Geez.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 06:36 PM

She wouldn't have used a gun on him. But having it in the car, where her six-year-old got hold of it.... Robin was small and usually full of fun and good cheer, but you never, ever, crossed her or threatened her kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: topical tom
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 05:57 PM

All the ingredients crying out for divorce. Bully for her!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 05:48 PM

I can understand it--visualize all of the possible directions that scenario could have taken--child, loaded gun, car, pissed off mom. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 05:28 PM

Apparently it was left in the car the night before by one of his "friends." A nine-shot .22 revolver, I emptied nine different brands of cartridges from it. Let's just say that it wasn't the pinnacle of the gunsmith's art either -- about one-half cut above the "Saturday Night Special" brands.

He was also one who regularly drank to excess and w/couldn't hold a job -- she was a good worker and good person. She was pretty fed up with him before that and the gun incident clinched the matter.

She was REALLY angry about it, too. I've rarely if ever seen anyone as angry -- cold, hard anger -- as she was.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 03:47 PM

...which just goes to show I have impeccable taste in men whom I am considering marrying. Haven't picked a wrongo yet!



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 03:17 PM

What--he didn't think he'd earned the rebuke by leaving a loaded, unlocked, revolver where small kids could grab it?

I'da divorced him too. 'Course I'da never have married him in the first place.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 02:47 PM

A staff member of mine in Indiana was taking her two sons (8 and 6) to school when the youngest, who was in the backseat, said "Here, Mom" and dropped a loaded revolver in her lap.

She stayed cool, put the gun on the floor under her seat and dropped the boys off. Then she came to work and told me. I went out, unloaded the pistol and she then threw it and the bullets into the river.

Her husband was VERY upset with her and this was the last straw that made him her ex-husband.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 02:08 PM

And thow away that blue polka-dotted muumuu, wouldja?



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 02:04 PM

Supposed to get cold out there today and maybe rain. Do you have your heavy jacket ready, MOM? And go through your sock drawer to see if you have a few matched pairs. Those flip flops need to go back in the closet for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 12:13 PM

I also spent time on the rifle range, learning how to shoot a rifle, mainly in a hunting context (though we never actually did go hunting, my dad stopped after he badly injured his knee on one trip). When I found that handgun I was in a house with a deranged person and I didn't want anyone to get hurt.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 11:47 AM

Right after my maternal grandfather died my brother Tony, who was about 7 at the time, found a Colt's Revolver, Single Action Army model of 1873, in my grandfather's bureau. My grandmother immediately took it to a cop who lived across the street to dispose of it.

When he found out, my Uncle hit the ceiling! It was a souvenir from HIS father's sojourn in Montana...and even then a Colt's SAA Model 1873 was worth a BUNDLE of money.

My brother was smart enough not to touch it, but to call an adult.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 08:53 AM

My mother sent all four kids (including my sister) off to the local Rifle Range for instruction when we turned 12. We had to take the three weeks of instruction AND fire (with .22 rifles) the first three "ranks" before we could quit.

Her reasoning, often expressed to us, was "There are too damn many guns out there and I want you kids to be safe around them."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 01:34 AM

Scared me silly to find a loaded pistol in my Dad's sock drawer when we were working on his estate. Mostly because it was at a point when my wacko youngest brother was in the house and I was afraid in his temper he might just try to use it on someone if he got his hands on it. I took it in a box out and locked it in my rental truck. I gave it to a friend with a gunsafe to keep and never touched it again.

I keep dogs so hopefully I don't have to have a gun. My dogs are a little stinky, even though they had a bath fairly recently, because they've been sunning themselves each morning on the side of the compost pile. Gotta have clean dogs OR clean guns when they're in the house. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 08 - 11:01 PM

That's the way it should be. To obtain a firearm at my house you would have to be able to open a locked locker (two point lock); to obtain ammunition would require opening a locked box in another room. Quite apart from Mark Twain, I don't have guns, loaded or otherwise, laying casually about.

Swords are another matter. THOSE, well, let's just say that I could obtain one very, very quickly.

But I don't have children around and I trust my wife with a sword (or a pistol...some of the guns are hers).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 08 - 10:54 PM

The shotgun is in a locked case in the closet, with no ammo nearby.

The Colt is in its holster in the bedroom, in a drawer, unloaded and cleaned, out of public view, with a load nearby in a tin box.

We have no yonkers to home at present. To fire either would require extensive, deliberate action and could not occur by accident.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 08 - 10:37 PM

Well, I agree with him. You can, with practice, down a deer with a .410 slug. In fact, in places that's the preferred thing that poachers use, but it's still a light load for ethical hunting. Of course, in a survival situation anything goes, including snaring the deer or using a deadfall.

But I digress.

Please use trigger locks, too. Or make sure the weapon is unloaded and fasten it tightly shut with a plastic cable tie. I am a staunch and strong believer in weapons safety...believe it or not. That's why I keep loaded guns around the house -- I agree with Mark Twain that the deadliest weapon around is an unloaded gun.

Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 15 Jan 08 - 10:22 PM

Sorry Amos, I was skimming fast to catch up, and the old eyes apparently leaped right over your earlier post.

THAT must of been why Mom whispered to me to delete the added comment about what slackers y'all were:>)

Thanks, MOM. Now they'll never know.


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