Tune Req: Radetski march

Subject: Radetski march
From:
Date: 06 May 03 - 09:36 AM

Has any one out there got the music for the Radetski March?

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 May 03 - 09:48 AM

Found all over the web, a bit for instance here but there are more hits with the spellings Radetzky or Radetsky.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: stevethesqueeze
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:07 AM

jeff

do you mean the actual printed score>

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: masato sakurai
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:14 AM

Two scores are found at American Memory.

Radetzky march; Op. 228. Selections of music performed by the Germania Orchestra. 1870 (arranged for the piano)

Radetzky march, arr. by F. B. Helmsmüller (1852; for the piano)

~Masato

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: masato sakurai
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:27 AM

MIDI (piano arrangement)

Orchestra score (PDF; first page only)

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:40 AM

Wenn der Hund mit der Wurst ü,ber'n Eckstein springt...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:04 AM

Music available at Mosch-Musikverlag
>Verlagsprogramm >Noten >R
German title: Radetzkymarsch or Radetzky-Marsch
Might be the version for brass band, but who wants strings for a march ...

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From:
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:05 AM

thanks everyone I have the dots now!!

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:29 AM

Wie, bitte, Wolfgang?

Is that like "Rashers and eggs and lashings of sausages", which was Eamon de Buitléir's mnemonic for jig rhythm on the bodhrán, or has it a deeper meaning?

Without wishing to scratch any historic wounds, I've always found the martial music of the German people(s) a lot more ...well, martial... than the insubstantial rubbish that French military bands play. The British equivalent is very melodious and polished, and inspired quite a strong non-military brass band tradition. But for out-and-out bloodcurdlingness, it's hard to beat the sound of the pipes tuning up in the morning.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:36 AM

It was the beginning of the completely silly German lyrics we sang to the Radetzky Marsch tune when we were young.

In English: When the dog with the sausage jumps over the cornerstone.

It makes no sense? Neither it does in German.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:44 AM

An Pluiméir Ceolmhar, take a look at Masato's midi link. There are lots of midis for several pianos, various numbers of performers. I love the Beethoven Turkish March.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:46 AM

I even can translate the first two lines of the German into singable English lyrics fitting the tune:

If the dog with the steak jumps the cornerstone
and if George in the pub drinks his beer alone

It helps against too 'military' feelings. Some other Germans (or whoever likes that music) may get tears in their eyes when listening to the tune and you sit there and hum to yourself

If the dog with the steak...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Schantieman
Date: 06 May 03 - 01:39 PM

Hands up who else thinks it sounds like the William Tell Overture upside down?

Diddle-um Diddle-um Diddle-um-tum-tum.....

S

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 May 03 - 03:09 PM

Johann Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky Austrian field marechal responsible for squashing the 1848/49 revolution in that part of the world.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: fat B****rd
Date: 06 May 03 - 03:28 PM

I always associate the tune with all those posh Austrians clapping a furious 4 in a bar on New Years day. I watch it every Jan. 1st through prickly eyeballs.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: toadfrog
Date: 06 May 03 - 05:02 PM

What a beautiful trio - I had clean forgotten that trio. In fact I had the march itself confused with "Wien bleibt Weien" which was the flip-side. Memory fades.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:21 AM

Best ever version of it can be found on a cassette that Catter Ralphie is familiar with - 'Buddy can you spare a qertzog?' by 'The Hackney Martians', but I think I spelled qertzog wrongly.

He may even be willing to sell you a copy.

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Micca
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:37 AM

The memorable performance "orcastrated" by Andy (AWOL) Lamb at the Goose and Firkin in London in about 1982-3? for 30 Melodeons!!!!! and assorted other instruments and "Table Percussion" That sort of "Demilitarised" the "Radetsky" for me possibly for all time!!

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:46 AM

Liz !!!!
You beat me to it !!!
I've even still got the original Austrian Music box that features at the end of the recording !!
BTW, I still have plans to do a limited CD version of "The Martians" which would include some previously unheard (probably a good thing!) live tracks..
This will happen when God does an Update in the number of hours in the day!
But, thanks for remembering!!!
Hugs Ralphie

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:52 AM

The tune was also 'put to words' at a Scout camp in Youlbury (Near Oxford) in 1977. The camp was rather wet!

Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch)
Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch)
Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch)
Drip dribble dribble dribble
Drip dribble dribble dribble
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribb-le drip
Dribble drip dribble drip dribble drip drip drip
Dribble drip dribble drip dribble drip drip drip
Dribble drip drip drip
Dribble drip drip drip etc......

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:01 AM

Nigel P.
You really should get out more!!

Micca...Can't remember if I was there, but it was around that time that I first encountered AWOL...Have probably blanked the occasion from my memory for reasons of sanity!!
Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:01 AM

But Ralphie - did I spell qertzog properly?

And put me down for a CD - the cassette is almost down to it's last spindle!

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:24 AM

Liz...
Think you spelt it right....!!
Don't quote me though!!

If I ever get the CD done, you'll be the first to know...You sad woman!

Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Micca
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:21 AM

ARRRRG Ralphie, that means we will have Liz singing " I hate Custard" again(and again and again) after we thought we had weaned her away from it....You SWINE!!!!

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:23 AM

Micca...
Don't blame me....I didn't write the damned thing !
R

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:15 AM

An Pluiméir Ceolmhar - about our martial music: depends on which times or countries the marches are coming from. When brass was the prerogative of the cavalry (The Brave And Dumb), the infantry only used fifes, drums and woodwinds. Its a big difference between the brass version and the original woodwind version, when you hear e.g. Beethoven's march for General Yorck - sometimes sounding like a dance. The Prussian marches are really music for blockheads, while the marches of Southern Germany (Bavaria, Hassia) are much lighter and more lively. There even is a march using dances originally composed by Johannes Strauss! In my division's march even a folksong was worked in.
The melodious subtleness is especially displayed by our military bands when performing in concerts (they sometimes use strings); when playing on parade they use simpler marches with more bangs so that the marching troops don't fall out of cadence.
An old German military saying: The melody is for the commissioned officers, the drum is for the grunts - boom is always left foot.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:33 AM

Which brings us to the tag that military justice is to justice what military music is to music. Wasn't that coined or popularised by one of the French First-World-War generals?

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:20 AM

That was close (I would have been far off, but I got curious and looked it up), it most probably was Georges Clemenceau, French First-World-War Prime Minister who said it.

Later made popular (the citation, not Clemenceau) by Marx (Groucho).

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 07 May 03 - 12:48 PM

Thanks. Neither of them was a sloucho in the mustachio department.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:24 AM

But for most of his film career Groucho's moustache was painted on. So Groucho did not have a moustache, and Harpo was not dumb.
But both Harpo & Chico were talented musicians!

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:30 AM

WHAT?? You'll be saying next that Leonard Nimoys' ears aren't really pointy!

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:55 AM

Sorry Liz. They're not pointy. He had them surgically rounded so that he could play 'Paris' in the original 'Mission Impossible'

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Teribus
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:32 AM

Something from the mists of memory about the Radetzky March - Isn't there some link between this piece of music and Mountbatten and the Royal Marines

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Schantieman
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:56 PM

But what about the Marx brother that wasn't in the films - Karl, wasn't it?

S

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: GUEST,strakajoe
Date: 09 May 03 - 02:56 PM

I tried to find the lyrics of the Radetzky march on the net, but failed...

The only thing I found was a parody with slightly different lyrics:
http://www.fotosumpf.de/lied/parodien/radetzki.html


I remember another version, going like this:

Wenn der Hund midda Wurscht übern Eckstein springt
Und der Storch in der Luft den Frosch verschlingt

Unfortunately, these are the only two verses I know.
@Wolfgang, I'd be terribly glad to read your version of the lyrics!

Joe

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 May 03 - 03:01 PM

There are lyrics???

I always thought it went:

Yada dump yada dump, yada dump dump dump,
ad nauseum.....

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: GUEST,strakajoe
Date: 09 May 03 - 03:24 PM

@Liz
yes, there are... of course just parodies, but they happen to exist. And I hope to get somewhere those lyrics which Wolfgang mentioned.

Joe

PS: ad nauseum? nauseabunda es, quando hanc melodiam audis?

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 May 03 - 06:57 AM

Liz: those are the lyrics to the Lone Ranger Theme (William Tell Overture), but I suppose they also fit....

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 May 03 - 01:11 PM

NO!! Lone Ranger is:

Ta da dump ta da dump, ta da dump dump dump
(or gotta dump, to the dump or had a thump depending on which joke you heard)....

The two are clearly different, although one is the other upsidedown.

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ulli
Date: 10 May 03 - 05:54 PM

when we were young and silly (and in a real drinking mood) we used to sing it as part of a medley
Radetsky Marsch, Radetsky Marsch, der Kaiser hat a Loch im A......alle Vögel sind schon da, ....
sorry 'bout that ...

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Snuffy
Date: 10 May 03 - 06:29 PM

I learned this verse of Freut Euch des Lebens way back in the early 60s

Zwei Knaben liegen Arsch am Arsch
Und bliesen den Radetsky Marsch
Und als der eine kackte
So kamen sie auf der Takte

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 12 May 03 - 02:12 AM

Snuffy - last line: ... So kamen sie aus dem Takte (they fell out of cadence)

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 May 03 - 08:18 AM

Danke sehr, Wilfried. That makes more sense.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 May 03 - 11:13 AM

I did translate above all two lines of the lyrics I know. I've never seen serious lyrics to this tune. It seems to attract antimiliarist parodies (like in Joe's post above) and that is well deserved, in my eyes.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: strakajoe
Date: 12 May 03 - 04:17 PM

ah, alles klar, Wolfgang...
Me too, I don't remember more than those two verses from above...

Joe

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 11:36 PM

Hi i'm Defiant & i'm from chile & in case you do not know aqui to it in Chile also marches past yourself with the famous march RADETZKY, and that does it they are those of the Military school Of Chile, whose traditions and uniforms are prussians

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: The Walrus
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 06:59 AM

"...Something from the mists of memory about the Radetzky March - Isn't there some link between this piece of music and Mountbatten and the Royal Marines..."


Teribus,

I think you may be confusing the Radetsky March with the Preberjenski (sp?) March, which Mountbatten used as a 'personal' march (permission to do this came from his Uncle Nicky<1>) - The Preberjenski was the 'theme tune' for the TV series on Mountbatten in the 1960s.
I'm not sure what the Royal Marine link might be, although both tune are undoubtedly in the RM Band repetoire

Best Wishes

Walrus


<1> Tsar Nicolas II

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Helen
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 08:04 AM

My hubby and I are on the board of directors at our local licensed club, where there are about 30 poker machines. Over the last few months I have been infected with an earworm from one of the tunes from a poker machine. Every time I heard it I knew the tune but could not name it.

I asked everyone what it was and a lot of people knew the tune but couldn't name it either. An Austrian/Australian man recited some silly lyrics to it - something about potatoes - but he could not think of the proper name of the song.

Finally, about a week ago, someone told me that it is the Radetsky March. My earworm finally packed its bags and crawled away.

I was getting to the stage where I was trying to make a midi of it to post to a thread so that the Mudcatters could put me out of my misery.


Guest/Defiant - that is interesting about Prussians in Chile.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 08:55 PM

Two more lines remembered from childhood:

Herr Radetzky, Herr Radetzky, das ist ein feiner Mann
Er steckt den Kopf zum Fenster raus und guckt (spuckt) die Leute an

Mr Radetzky, Mr Radetzky, he is a gentleman
He puts his head out of the window and looks (spits) at people then

These must be part of the silly lyrics, but I don't seem to be able to get from Wolfgang's lines to mine. I'll have to go back to my mother's and dig out the LP with the German military marches (or the tape with all the silly lyrics). The ones to 'Alte Kameraden' are even worse than the above, and the march 'Gruß an Kiel' (Greetings to Kiel, which is now my hometown) is adorned with the following tasteful lyrics:

In der Reizenheimer Straße hat sich der Würstchenmann erhängt
Warum hat er sich erhängt? Weil er Würstchen hat verschenkt

(In Reizenheimer Road the sausage man has hanged himself
Why has he hanged himself? He'd given sausages away)

There must be countless examples of this, and I suspect - as somebody else in this thread did - it was a fairly safe way of giving vent to anti-militaristic feelings.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 10:40 PM

Can somebody pin down the meme I heard years ago about Waltz tunes being used for Military Marches?

Robin