Tune Req: Radetski march

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: MudGuard
Date: 11 Sep 04 - 06:58 PM

I got the second line:

Wenn der Hund mit der Wurst über´n Eckstein springt,
und der Storch in der Luft einen Frosch verschlingt
...

Still working on more ...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 11:55 AM

Sorry, Klaus, no, just this line ans a little bit more.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 04:03 AM

Oh thank you so much for refreshing this - now I've got the bloody tune going round my head!

Ralphie - any news on that CD yet? Yes, I am still that sad!

LTS

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: MudGuard
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 09:51 AM

Hello Klaus,

I do not (yet) have the lyrics of "Wenn der Hund...", but I found a different text with dogs for the Radetzky-Marsch

Andy/MudGuard

Subject: Wenn der Hund mit der ..
From:
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 09:07 AM

Hallo Wolfgang,

hast du den Text von: "Wenn der Hund mit der Wurst übern Eckstein spring"?

Klaus

Subject: prussians in chile
From: GUEST,defiant
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 11:43 PM

the history of the prussians in Chile end`s in World War II, Chile that then was like ally and not like axis, maintained the uniforms of prussian model and the ranks, although the ranks pertaining to the generals continue being French, today all south america uses the uniform of prusiano cut with certain French variations


Defiant

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: GUEST,DEFIANT
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 11:39 PM

hi
i talk about of the military school from chile, th history from de prussians in chile begun in the year 1881 after the south pacific war ( CHILE- BOLIVIA- PERU (year 1879) )in these years a colonel called Emil Korner & a group for Prussia & later Germany teach the prussian military model to the chilean army, taking the german uniform & the military marches. today i can see the army using the german uniform & in september 19th the military parade using the "pikenhaube" class helmet this is a litle history from the army

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 03:08 AM

McGrath - the report with the Croat and the hands loaded with rings seems believeable. It belongs to the Looting Dept.
There are other reports from other wars: When you can't pull off the ring cut the finger. In this case cutting off the hands might be a measure to hasten the process.
Especially with the Balcans such stories don't seem exaggerated. An old paratrooper told me a revolting story how they killed a caught partisan sniper. When I objected that this was a war crime he answered: You should have seen what they did to our comrades!
So Onward Christian Soldiers, and forget Luk. III, 14!
Disgusting.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 08:17 PM

Just been looking over a list of tunes (at American Memory) used in the United States during the Civil War period by military bands. Of 175 titles, 71 are German (inc. Austrian).

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 07:52 PM

As I understand it there were some horrifying atrocities in Belgium - mass executions of civilians as reprisals, for example - but they were exaggerated and fictionalised for propaganda purposes. And then after the war the balace went the other way and they were minimised, and dismissed almost entirely. The truth lay in between.

One imfortuinate result of that was that reports of actual atrocities carried out by the Germans in the Second World War were often at the time taken to be the same kind of propaganda.

Sadly, as has been made painfully clear, large scale atrocities as horrifying as those attributed to Radetzky's men have in fact taken place in our own time.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 07:33 PM

Don't know - there were similar stories about the Germans in Belgium in World War I which turned out to be fabricated. (No doubt there were atrocities, but not against women and children as a rule.)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 06:08 AM

That's odd - I'm just in the middle of reading a book about the Risorgimento, and last night I came to the bit where General Radetzky is putting down the Italian uprising.

Pretty unpleasant too, if this account is accurate:

"The cruelties of the enemy...are well-attested, and are revolting even to hardened twentieth-century consciences. Women were raped and bayoneted, or burnt alive, or buried alive in wells. A child spiked through with a bayonet was pinned to a tree and left to writhe just out of its mothers reach. In the pockets of a Croat were found two female hands, the fingers loaded with rings..." (The Bombs of Orsini, Michael St.John Packe)

And it's such a jolly tune too.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 06:07 AM

That's odd - I'm just in the middle of reading a book about the Risorgimento, and last night I came to the bit where General Radetzky is putting down the Italian uprising.

Pretty unpleasant too, if this account is accurate:

"The cruelties of the enemy...are well-attested, and are revolting even to hardened twentieth-century consciences. Women were raped and bayoneted, or burnt alive, or buried alive in wells. A child spoked through with a beyoney was pinned to a tree and left to writhe just out of its mothers reach. In the pockets of a Croat were found two female hands, the fingers loaded with rings..." (The Bombs of Orsini, Michael St.John Packe)

And it's such a jolly tune too.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 02:07 AM

Walrus - name of the Russian march: Preobrazhenskij (a Russian Guard Regiment, if I remember right). This march is also in the Prussian collection of marches for the use of the Army.

Susanne - the ditty Herr Radetzky ... is not sung to the tune of Radetzky march, but another Austrian march whose name I have forgot (Hoch- und Deutschmeister, at the end?)

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 10:40 PM

Can somebody pin down the meme I heard years ago about Waltz tunes being used for Military Marches?

Robin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 08:55 PM

Two more lines remembered from childhood:

Herr Radetzky, Herr Radetzky, das ist ein feiner Mann
Er steckt den Kopf zum Fenster raus und guckt (spuckt) die Leute an

Mr Radetzky, Mr Radetzky, he is a gentleman
He puts his head out of the window and looks (spits) at people then

These must be part of the silly lyrics, but I don't seem to be able to get from Wolfgang's lines to mine. I'll have to go back to my mother's and dig out the LP with the German military marches (or the tape with all the silly lyrics). The ones to 'Alte Kameraden' are even worse than the above, and the march 'Gruß an Kiel' (Greetings to Kiel, which is now my hometown) is adorned with the following tasteful lyrics:

In der Reizenheimer Straße hat sich der Würstchenmann erhängt
Warum hat er sich erhängt? Weil er Würstchen hat verschenkt

(In Reizenheimer Road the sausage man has hanged himself
Why has he hanged himself? He'd given sausages away)

There must be countless examples of this, and I suspect - as somebody else in this thread did - it was a fairly safe way of giving vent to anti-militaristic feelings.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Helen
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 08:04 AM

My hubby and I are on the board of directors at our local licensed club, where there are about 30 poker machines. Over the last few months I have been infected with an earworm from one of the tunes from a poker machine. Every time I heard it I knew the tune but could not name it.

I asked everyone what it was and a lot of people knew the tune but couldn't name it either. An Austrian/Australian man recited some silly lyrics to it - something about potatoes - but he could not think of the proper name of the song.

Finally, about a week ago, someone told me that it is the Radetsky March. My earworm finally packed its bags and crawled away.

I was getting to the stage where I was trying to make a midi of it to post to a thread so that the Mudcatters could put me out of my misery.


Guest/Defiant - that is interesting about Prussians in Chile.

Helen

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: The Walrus
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 06:59 AM

"...Something from the mists of memory about the Radetzky March - Isn't there some link between this piece of music and Mountbatten and the Royal Marines..."


Teribus,

I think you may be confusing the Radetsky March with the Preberjenski (sp?) March, which Mountbatten used as a 'personal' march (permission to do this came from his Uncle Nicky<1>) - The Preberjenski was the 'theme tune' for the TV series on Mountbatten in the 1960s.
I'm not sure what the Royal Marine link might be, although both tune are undoubtedly in the RM Band repetoire

Best Wishes

Walrus


<1> Tsar Nicolas II

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 11:36 PM

Hi i'm Defiant & i'm from chile & in case you do not know aqui to it in Chile also marches past yourself with the famous march RADETZKY, and that does it they are those of the Military school Of Chile, whose traditions and uniforms are prussians

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: strakajoe
Date: 12 May 03 - 04:17 PM

ah, alles klar, Wolfgang...
Me too, I don't remember more than those two verses from above...

Joe

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 May 03 - 11:13 AM

I did translate above all two lines of the lyrics I know. I've never seen serious lyrics to this tune. It seems to attract antimiliarist parodies (like in Joe's post above) and that is well deserved, in my eyes.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 May 03 - 08:18 AM

Danke sehr, Wilfried. That makes more sense.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 12 May 03 - 02:12 AM

Snuffy - last line: ... So kamen sie aus dem Takte (they fell out of cadence)

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Snuffy
Date: 10 May 03 - 06:29 PM

I learned this verse of Freut Euch des Lebens way back in the early 60s

Zwei Knaben liegen Arsch am Arsch
Und bliesen den Radetsky Marsch
Und als der eine kackte
So kamen sie auf der Takte

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ulli
Date: 10 May 03 - 05:54 PM

when we were young and silly (and in a real drinking mood) we used to sing it as part of a medley
Radetsky Marsch, Radetsky Marsch, der Kaiser hat a Loch im A......alle Vögel sind schon da, ....
sorry 'bout that ...

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 May 03 - 01:11 PM

NO!! Lone Ranger is:

Ta da dump ta da dump, ta da dump dump dump
(or gotta dump, to the dump or had a thump depending on which joke you heard)....

The two are clearly different, although one is the other upsidedown.

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 May 03 - 06:57 AM

Liz: those are the lyrics to the Lone Ranger Theme (William Tell Overture), but I suppose they also fit....

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: GUEST,strakajoe
Date: 09 May 03 - 03:24 PM

@Liz
yes, there are... of course just parodies, but they happen to exist. And I hope to get somewhere those lyrics which Wolfgang mentioned.

Joe

PS: ad nauseum? nauseabunda es, quando hanc melodiam audis?

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 May 03 - 03:01 PM

There are lyrics???

I always thought it went:

Yada dump yada dump, yada dump dump dump,
ad nauseum.....

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: GUEST,strakajoe
Date: 09 May 03 - 02:56 PM

I tried to find the lyrics of the Radetzky march on the net, but failed...

The only thing I found was a parody with slightly different lyrics:
http://www.fotosumpf.de/lied/parodien/radetzki.html


I remember another version, going like this:

Wenn der Hund midda Wurscht übern Eckstein springt
Und der Storch in der Luft den Frosch verschlingt

Unfortunately, these are the only two verses I know.
@Wolfgang, I'd be terribly glad to read your version of the lyrics!

Joe

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Schantieman
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:56 PM

But what about the Marx brother that wasn't in the films - Karl, wasn't it?

S

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Teribus
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:32 AM

Something from the mists of memory about the Radetzky March - Isn't there some link between this piece of music and Mountbatten and the Royal Marines

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:55 AM

Sorry Liz. They're not pointy. He had them surgically rounded so that he could play 'Paris' in the original 'Mission Impossible'

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:30 AM

WHAT?? You'll be saying next that Leonard Nimoys' ears aren't really pointy!

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:24 AM

But for most of his film career Groucho's moustache was painted on. So Groucho did not have a moustache, and Harpo was not dumb.
But both Harpo & Chico were talented musicians!

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 07 May 03 - 12:48 PM

Thanks. Neither of them was a sloucho in the mustachio department.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:20 AM

That was close (I would have been far off, but I got curious and looked it up), it most probably was Georges Clemenceau, French First-World-War Prime Minister who said it.

Later made popular (the citation, not Clemenceau) by Marx (Groucho).

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:33 AM

Which brings us to the tag that military justice is to justice what military music is to music. Wasn't that coined or popularised by one of the French First-World-War generals?

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:15 AM

An Pluiméir Ceolmhar - about our martial music: depends on which times or countries the marches are coming from. When brass was the prerogative of the cavalry (The Brave And Dumb), the infantry only used fifes, drums and woodwinds. Its a big difference between the brass version and the original woodwind version, when you hear e.g. Beethoven's march for General Yorck - sometimes sounding like a dance. The Prussian marches are really music for blockheads, while the marches of Southern Germany (Bavaria, Hassia) are much lighter and more lively. There even is a march using dances originally composed by Johannes Strauss! In my division's march even a folksong was worked in.
The melodious subtleness is especially displayed by our military bands when performing in concerts (they sometimes use strings); when playing on parade they use simpler marches with more bangs so that the marching troops don't fall out of cadence.
An old German military saying: The melody is for the commissioned officers, the drum is for the grunts - boom is always left foot.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:23 AM

Micca...
Don't blame me....I didn't write the damned thing !
R

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Micca
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:21 AM

ARRRRG Ralphie, that means we will have Liz singing " I hate Custard" again(and again and again) after we thought we had weaned her away from it....You SWINE!!!!

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:24 AM

Liz...
Think you spelt it right....!!
Don't quote me though!!

If I ever get the CD done, you'll be the first to know...You sad woman!

Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:01 AM

But Ralphie - did I spell qertzog properly?

And put me down for a CD - the cassette is almost down to it's last spindle!

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:01 AM

Nigel P.
You really should get out more!!

Micca...Can't remember if I was there, but it was around that time that I first encountered AWOL...Have probably blanked the occasion from my memory for reasons of sanity!!
Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:52 AM

The tune was also 'put to words' at a Scout camp in Youlbury (Near Oxford) in 1977. The camp was rather wet!

Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch)
Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch)
Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch)
Drip dribble dribble dribble
Drip dribble dribble dribble
Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribb-le drip
Dribble drip dribble drip dribble drip drip drip
Dribble drip dribble drip dribble drip drip drip
Dribble drip drip drip
Dribble drip drip drip etc......

Nigel

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:46 AM

Liz !!!!
You beat me to it !!!
I've even still got the original Austrian Music box that features at the end of the recording !!
BTW, I still have plans to do a limited CD version of "The Martians" which would include some previously unheard (probably a good thing!) live tracks..
This will happen when God does an Update in the number of hours in the day!
But, thanks for remembering!!!
Hugs Ralphie

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Micca
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:37 AM

The memorable performance "orcastrated" by Andy (AWOL) Lamb at the Goose and Firkin in London in about 1982-3? for 30 Melodeons!!!!! and assorted other instruments and "Table Percussion" That sort of "Demilitarised" the "Radetsky" for me possibly for all time!!

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:21 AM

Best ever version of it can be found on a cassette that Catter Ralphie is familiar with - 'Buddy can you spare a qertzog?' by 'The Hackney Martians', but I think I spelled qertzog wrongly.

He may even be willing to sell you a copy.

LTS

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: toadfrog
Date: 06 May 03 - 05:02 PM

What a beautiful trio - I had clean forgotten that trio. In fact I had the march itself confused with "Wien bleibt Weien" which was the flip-side. Memory fades.

Subject: RE: Radetski march
From: fat B****rd
Date: 06 May 03 - 03:28 PM

I always associate the tune with all those posh Austrians clapping a furious 4 in a bar on New Years day. I watch it every Jan. 1st through prickly eyeballs.