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Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia

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GUEST,Tom Brady 08 May 03 - 03:56 PM
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Subject: Lyrics-Napoleon in Russia
From: GUEST,Tom Brady
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:56 PM

I am looking for the German lyrics to a song recorded by John Jacob Niles called "Napoleon in Russia". It might also have been recorded by the Black Family.
The one line I remember clearly goes: Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah. Die Cossacken die wand da."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: michaelr
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:23 PM

The German lyrics? Good luck... The Black Family recorded "Those Warlike Lads of Russia" which was discussed here recently, but they did it in English.

Relating to the Little Corporal, all I can come up with is a bit of doggerel:

Was kraucht denn da im Busch herum?
Ich glaub, es ist Napolium!
Was hat er denn zu krauchen dort?
Frischauf, Kam'raden, jagt ihn fort!


Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 09 May 03 - 04:14 AM

I can't help, but you might try the The John Jacob Niles Center for American Music. There's information on publications and other things, or you might be able to e-mail them and ask.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 10 May 03 - 03:14 AM

Michael - This song is known as Kutschke-Lied and isn't related to the Little Corporal, but to Napoleon III. in the German-French war 1870/71.

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: michaelr
Date: 10 May 03 - 03:35 PM

Ah, thanks Wilfried. Are there more lyrics than that?

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: GUEST,Tom Brady
Date: 10 May 03 - 04:55 PM

Thanks Wilfried. I speak some German and am unfamiliar with the word "Kutschke", the closest I, or my dictiuonary, can get is "Kutsche" meaning "coach. Is that it? I have two sites for German folk songs: and > and neither one of them has that song, as far as I can tell. The first line of the song goes: "Alexander der Grosse, der grosse, grosse Held"
Any other suggestions?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 12 May 03 - 02:10 AM

That is the entire text, it is only a short ditty.
Kutschke is the Prussian soldier's name to whom the song is ascribed.

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 03 - 12:26 AM

What was the year?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 13 May 03 - 03:47 AM

As I said in my first post: French-German war, 1870-1871
Wilfried


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: Teribus
Date: 13 May 03 - 06:41 AM

1870 - 1871 ? Wasn't that the Franco-Prussian War

A conflict between France and Prussia that signaled the rise of German military power and imperialism. It was provoked by Otto von Bismarck (the Prussian chancellor) as part of his plan to create a unified German Empire. Up until the start of this war there existed a Confederation of Northern German States, under a strong Prussian influence and a weaker grouping of Southern German States who up until the Austro-Prussian War of 1866 had been more under the influence of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Germany was declared a united entity as the German Empire under William I, in the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles on January 18th, 1871.

One of the main concerns of Napoleon III, and the French, was the movement, driven by Bismarck to unify the German States. Another off-shoot of the war was the completion of the unification of Italy, as after the capture of Napoleon III at Sedan, he was deposed and could no longer protect The Papal States.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 May 03 - 07:05 AM

It seems to be called 'Franco-Prussian' war in English. It is called 'German-French' war in German. Both Northern German states (including Prussia) and Southern German states together formed the German army in that war.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Napoleon in Russia
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 May 03 - 03:14 AM

Tom, I have found what you are looking for:

Spottlied auf Napoleons Rückzug aus Rußl;land
(Author: unknown, 1812)
(Tune: Frischauf Ihr Preußen, wir müssen ins Feld)

1. Alexander, der großl;e, der großl;e, großl;e Held,
der schlug Napoleon im offenen Feld;
Bei Moskau, da war die großl;e, großl;e Schlacht,
Napoleon verlor seine Kriegsmacht!
Chorus:
Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah! Die Kosaken sind da,
Sie tragen lange Bärte, wie die Teufel stehn sie da.

2. Und er schrie, daßl; Gott im Himmel hoch erbarm:
"Wie bin ich doch auf einmal so arm, so arm!
Ich hab' meine ganze Kriegskass' verlor'n,
Dazu sind mir hunderttausend Pferde verfrorn.

4. Ach Gott wo retiriren wir uns jetzt hin?
Ach daßl; ich ganz verlassen hier nun bin!
Das hätt' ich nicht geglaubt von der Russen-Nation
Daßl; sie mich würde jagen weit davon.

5.   Und als er nun gekommen bis nach, bis nach Mainz,
Das war des Nachts um halber Eins:
Die Illumination war eben nicht sehr hell,
Man hielt ihn für den Fürsten von Neuschâtel.

6.   Und als nun der Wagen so schnell, so schnell hinrollt.
So hat man ihn gefragt, wo er denn hin wollt?
"Ich will nun fahren nach Paris
Kuriren lassen meine Fußl;'."

7.   Und als er nun gekommen bis nach, bis nach Paris,
Besahe der Senat sein' geschwollenen Füßl;.
"I, Na-pi-pa-poleon, wie siehst du denn nur aus,
Wie bist du denn gekommen aus Rußl;land heraus?"

8.   Dann fuhr er in aller Geschwindigkeit
Aufs Rathaus, dort stellt er sich hin, die Arme in die Seit;
Und da ihn nun die Ratsherren ausgelacht,
Da schrie er aus aller Leibesmacht:

I don't know the tune mentioned, so I don't know whether it is the same tune as the English song.

Wolfgang


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Subject: Lyr Add: SPOTTLIED AUF NAPOLEONS RÜCKZUG AUS...
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 May 03 - 03:16 AM

I should have used the preview function:

Spottlied auf Napoleons Rückzug aus Rußland
(Author: unknown, 1812)
(Tune: Frischauf Ihr Preußen, wir müssen ins Feld)

1. Alexander, der große, der große, große Held,
der schlug Napoleon im offenen Feld;
Bei Moskau, da war die große, große Schlacht,
Napoleon verlor seine Kriegsmacht!
Chorus:
Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah! Die Kosaken sind da,
Sie tragen lange Bärte, wie die Teufel stehn sie da.

2. Und er schrie, daß Gott im Himmel hoch erbarm:
"Wie bin ich doch auf einmal so arm, so arm!
Ich hab' meine ganze Kriegskass' verlor'n,
Dazu sind mir hunderttausend Pferde verfrorn.

4. Ach Gott wo retiriren wir uns jetzt hin?
Ach daß ich ganz verlassen hier nun bin!
Das hätt' ich nicht geglaubt von der Russen-Nation
Daß sie mich würde jagen weit davon.

5.   Und als er nun gekommen bis nach, bis nach Mainz,
Das war des Nachts um halber Eins:
Die Illumination war eben nicht sehr hell,
Man hielt ihn für den Fürsten von Neuschâtel.

6.   Und als nun der Wagen so schnell, so schnell hinrollt.
So hat man ihn gefragt, wo er denn hin wollt?
"Ich will nun fahren nach Paris
Kuriren lassen meine Fuß'."

7.   Und als er nun gekommen bis nach, bis nach Paris,
Besahe der Senat sein' geschwollenen Füß.
"I, Na-pi-pa-poleon, wie siehst du denn nur aus,
Wie bist du denn gekommen aus Rußland heraus?"

8.   Dann fuhr er in aller Geschwindigkeit
Aufs Rathaus, dort stellt er sich hin, die Arme in die Seit;
Und da ihn nun die Ratsherren ausgelacht,
Da schrie er aus aller Leibesmacht:


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 15 May 03 - 02:57 AM

I don't know the song Frischauf, ihr Preußen ..., but it seems to me by the structure of the song that it might be the tune of a better known song: Was blasen die Trompeten? Husaren heraus! (What are the bugles calling? Hussars come out! = A song to the praise of Field Marshal Blücher.) Especially the chori (chorusses? chorussians?) fit together.
It is not uncommon in German soldier songs, that one tune is used for a couple of different songs, modeled after a common source.
And now, Wolfgang, where the hell did you find the song? Source, please.
6. Fuß ... Must it not be Füß? (rhyme to Paris, adj. meine = pl. fem.)

Wilfried.


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Subject: Lyr Add: DAS KUTSCHKELIED 1870
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 May 03 - 04:59 AM

Wilfried, you are right, of course, with the correction to verse 6. Blame my scanner for that mistake.

My source? It has been mentioned in this thread and it is:

Uli Otto, Eginhard König, Ich hatt' einen Kameraden. Militär und Kriege in historisch-politischen Liedern in den Jahren von 1740 bis 1914, ConBri Verlag. Costs just a bit more than 100 Euro.

Since it has been mentioned, I'll post below from the same source the complete Kutschkelied (thanks Wilfied for identifying the title. That has made the search much easier)

DAS KUTSCHKELIED 1870
(written by: Hermann Alexander Pistorius, 16. August 1870; he did ascribe the song to a soldier named August Kutschke in a kind of poetic license)
(tune: Dr. Iron Beard / Ich bin der Doktor Eisenbart)

Was kraucht dort in dem Busch herum?
Ich glaub' es ist Napolium.
Was hat er 'rum zu krauchen dort?
Drauf, Kameraden, jagt ihn fort.

Dort haben sich im offnen Feld
noch rote Hosen aufgestellt;
Was haben sie da 'rum zu stehn?
Drauf los, die müssen wir besehn!

Mit den Kanonen und Mamselln,
da knall'n sie, dass die Ohren gelln.
Was haben sie da 'rum zu knalln?
Drauf, Kameraden, bis sie falln!

Napolium, Napolium,
mit Deiner Sache geht es krumm!
Mit Gott, drauf los, dann ist's vorbei
mit seiner ganzen Kaiserei!

Two more Kutschke songs can be found in the above mentioned book.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: GUEST,Tom Brady
Date: 21 May 03 - 09:44 AM

Wolfgang-
Vielen Dank für die Lyrics. They were exactly what I've been searching for.
Tom


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 11:12 AM

This thread, even though written while I was 3, still remained quite useful to me. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Napoleon in Russia
From: leeneia
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 11:19 AM

Welcome, Nick. That's really nice.


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