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reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???

rich-joy 13 May 03 - 02:24 AM
Bob Bolton 13 May 03 - 10:10 PM
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rich-joy 16 May 03 - 06:21 AM
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Subject: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: rich-joy
Date: 13 May 03 - 02:24 AM

Hi. Does any 'catter have any info on this songwriting duo???

Reina Sutcliffe is credited with writing the Mary Hopkin "hit" : "Water, Paper and Clay" - sometimes Mike Sutcliffe is also credited; plus, any info on the song???

NB : lyrics are on The 'Cat under "Water, Fire and Clay" thread title.

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 13 May 03 - 10:10 PM

G'day rich-joy,

What period ... indeed, what country? (Merely asking because there was a Mike Sutcliffe about in Sydney 'folkie' circles some decades back.)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 13 May 03 - 10:25 PM

G'day again rich'joy,

Hmmm ... probably not the Mike Sutcliffe you seek. I now recall that this one's speciality is history of recorded music. I do see he copped a gong from the Australian Sound Recordists Association in 2001 for his histories and discographies (but not for song-writing!).

Regard(les)s,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: rich-joy
Date: 15 May 03 - 02:56 AM

Thanks Bob!
I presume that the Mike and Reina Sutcliffe I need info on, are English - but I have NO evidence to support that!!

Mary Hopkin chose to record the song "Water, Paper and Clay" (copywrite with Essex) on her 1971 Apple album "Earth Song, Ocean Song", simply because she "liked it very much", but I don't know from where she obtained it.

Curiously, the only other reference I can find to it, is on a South Australian recording by Judith Crossley (apparently available via Folktrax) - she of the "Coonawarra Has 3 Shadows" fame!!

So, you never know ...

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 15 May 03 - 04:31 AM

G'day R-J,

I'll see if I can dig up a contact for this Mike Sutcliffe. I actually have snail mail to and from him ... from a decade or two back about Wattle Recordings, the seminal Australian 'Folk Revival' label ... and I have a few new questions, so I should renew my acquaintance.

If I do contact him ... I guess that a meticulous historian and discographer of the Jazz and Folk scenes ... might just know about a songwriter of the same name (if not himself!). Unfortunately, my search did not indicate any web site - or even email.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: rich-joy
Date: 16 May 03 - 06:21 AM

Cheers Bob!
R-J


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From: rich-joy
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 05:37 AM

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From: rich-joy
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 01:56 AM

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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: GUEST,Stephen_C
Date: 06 Oct 15 - 05:01 PM

Eleven years later and a response with firm information.

Reina Sutcliffe was born Reina James (the name she has reverted to). She is now known as a novelist.

She talks about her marriage to Mike Sutcliffe here: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/11/reina-james-author-family

By 1970 she was living in Cornwall and knew Clive Palmer. She contributed backing vocals for Clive's Original Band album 'Spirit of Love' which is probably how she met Ralph McTell (who was the producer). I believe that it was Ralph who passed 'Water, Paper & Clay' on to Mary Hopkin. It's the only composition of hers that has been professionally recorded. I'd guess she originally offered it to Clive.

She subsequently married Ginger Marks from the Dirty Pants Band and for the past 24 years has been married to Mike Reinstein, with whom she occasionally performs in a band called Out of the Hat in the Brighton area.

She talks about her childhood here: https://vimeo.com/5095134


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Subject: RE: reina sutcliffe (and mike) - any info???
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 06 Oct 15 - 10:46 PM

GUEST, Stephen C. - thanks so much for the info!

I, for one, had wondered who they were ever since I bought Mary Hopkin's album (Earth Song/Ocean Song), God-knows-how-many years ago. I could only find one reference online in a book somewhere that she hung out with Jimi Hendrix at some point. Nothing else.

So, Reina is the daughter of actor Sidney James, who I remember from all those Carry On films back in the 1960's. Interesting.

Interesting also, that in The Guardian article, she never once mentioned Mike Sutcliffe by name.


Jay


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