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Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)

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Subject: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 03 - 03:58 AM

Not so much a lyric request but a route request! In the song when our hero takes to the road after the Gypsies I think he takes the following route -

Gets a lift from Bradford to Bolton Abbey. Walks the length of Wharfedale from Bolton to Buckden (I think - is it Buckden?) Stops overnight there. Sets off for Wensleydale where he passes 'where the white lady goes into the stream'. Anyone know what this is? I guess then he passes through Hawes as he meets Kit Calvert. Kit tells him to go via the Buttertubs so I guess again he takes the road past the Green Dragon and then head north over the tops into Swaledale. He catches them up just before Thwaite.

Does anyone know the route or do I have anything wrong? I quite fancy walking it one weekend. Anyone want to join me?

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: red max
Date: 19 May 03 - 05:19 AM

If you ever want to cycle it let me know, I'll come with you. I assumed the "white lady goes into the stream" referred to Aysgarth Falls, but I might be way out

And hey, Nidderdale is still the finest valley of them all!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 03 - 10:17 AM

Could be Aysgarth, Max. He would have headed from Buckden to Hawes via there but there is a more direct northerly route which brings you into Hawes at Gayle. If the horses could make it over the Buttertubs I assumed that they would be able to make it ver that pass as well. I have been known to be wrong before though...;-)

I may bike it one day but my bike has more horsepower that a gypsy caravan!

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,Yorkshire Tony minus cookie
Date: 20 May 03 - 12:13 AM

I remember Jackie well - I assume he is dead by now. He had a daughter about the same age as me. He was usually found at the Buck in in Buckden but also had the pub in Starbotten for a while (Coach and Horses?). Going over Kidstones and down Bishopdale would get you to Aysgarth - I assume that's the way caravans would go. Then up Wensleydale to Hawes and up to the Buttertubs.

BTW Does anyone have the lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: red max
Date: 20 May 03 - 05:25 AM

I think several of the Mr Fox song lyrics turn up on this site, not sure about this one

A point of trivia: the Mr Fox 2 on 1 CD reissue is missing the song Mendle. This is typical of the Essential/Transatlantic reissues, which routinely edit several songs to cram two albums onto one disc (without acknowledging this anywhere in the liner note)

BUT...

If the song had been left intact the two albums would have still ran under the 80 minute CD limit. So not only did Essential manage to remove one of the album's best songs, it was completely unnecessary

Humph!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 May 03 - 07:21 AM

By jove I think I've got it! I am as sure as I can be that the gypsies didn't go via Aysgarth. Re-visiting the lyrics I noticed

Have you seen the Gypsies I asked the farmer
They were camped up at Langstrothdale came his reply


To head into Langsthrothdale you would go west from Buckden, not on the Easterly road which would take you towards Leyburn and Aysgarth. Going through Hubberholme into Langsthrothdale and Deepdale you pass a stone circle at Yokenthwaite and then, to quote Wainwright, "A bridge over the youthfull Wharfe running in a limestone bed."

The lyric is

Early next morning I started for Wensleydale
Moorland before me stretched out like a dream
Up by the boulders and over the bridge
Where the white lady walks into the stream


Now here lies an interesting point. According to Mike Hardings walking the dales book, the Wharfe and the Dee (as in Deepdale) are named after the Celtic Goddesses, Verbena and Deva. Verbena being the Goddess of spring, the Celtic version of the Saxon Eostre. What are the chances that Mr Pegg is using the imagery of the White Lady (Verbena) walking into the stream and becoming the Wharfe? Clever eh? Or too clever by half...:-(

What did clinch it for me though was Wainwright again. He mentions that Gayle, just south of Hawes, is actualy the centre of Wensleydale cheese making. Taking the route I have described you would come through Gayle on the way to the Buttertubs pass. Bob Peggs lyrics again -

I met an old man I'd met once before
Kit Calvert the maker of Wensleydale cheese


Hehe! Success I think! First nice day and the Honda and me are taking a little tour to check it out:-) I will clock the mileage and see if I can divide it up into 2 walking days but I suspect it will be more like 3 at my pace...

I will keep you posted.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 03 - 04:35 AM

One of those strange coincidences.

Just after the above posting I continued reading Mike Hardings book and found reference to the following remarkable story about a memorial cross on Buckden Pike.

See Here

Just goes to show. Mr Fox is not always the bad guy...

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 03 - 09:27 AM

I think there is the Fox and Hounds at Starbottom, Tony but there may be more than one pub there - I can't remember (Must have been a good night:-) )

Didn't need to ride the route, though I probably will. Good old RAC.co.uk gave me the exact route from Bolton to Keld with a distance of 41.5 miles. Considering the Gypsies camped in a field beyond Thwaite but before Keld I reckon 40 miles is a reasonable estimate.

Could walk it in 2 days but as a great believer in taking it easy I think 3 would be more reasonable (or even 4 if I took it even easier:-) ) Natural stopping points become 1. 9.4 miles to Kilnsey (o'er the black top of Kilnsey I saw the dawn crack...) 2. 6 miles to Buckden (Visit the Buckden Pike memorial in my spare time...) 3. 15 miles to Gayle or 1/2 mile further to Hawes. Last leg to between Thwaite and Keld would be around 10 miles.

Bobs route had the guy walking from Bolton to Buckden (15 or 16 miles) after getting a lift from near Ilkely on day 1. Day 2 saw him leg it 24 miles and over 2 'tops'. Fitter than me, but that doesn't take much doing... I guess a good compromise would be stopping on night 1 around Starbotton and then night 2 at Hawes - Makes it 2 15's and a 10.

Hmmmmm - Must have a think. Same question anyway. Any takers for a 3-4 day trek this summer?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: red max
Date: 21 May 03 - 10:08 AM

I hope you won't share the fate of Bob's hanged man


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 03 - 10:27 AM

Hehehe - nice one Max! I'd still haunt this place though.

My corpse in a far off place but I remain here still...

Another thought - anyone any ideas for other song related walks or other activities? Wonder if it could catch on?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 21 May 03 - 11:46 AM

I should wait until you snuff it before attempting the walk across the Whinny Moor with nowt on your feet!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 May 03 - 03:54 AM

Well - did it yesterday in the car. Clocked up 45 miles from Buckden to Keld but I know I took at least one wrong turn. Measuring from just North of Bradford where I saw the first signs for Ilkley you can add 25 miles for the bit he did by car to Bolton as well.

Didn't spot anything that would resemble a white lady but there is a bridge over the baby Wharfe just before the road turns off for Hawes and the river runs in a series of rapids over some very pretty limestone beds.

Couple of minor inconsistencies in my understanding. Where the lyrics mention seeing the dawn crack by the black top of Kilnsey I always assumed the sun coming up over it - it can't because Kilnsey crag is to the west of the road ! Very nice pub there where we had lunch anyway. Where he talks of the 'moorland before me spread out like a dream' I always imagined a valley opening up but it doesn't. There is instead a maginficent panorama accross the peaty moor once you get to the top. And, finaly, the Gypsies would not have camped nearer to Thwaite - there is very little level ground between there and Keld so I guess now they did actualy camp at Keld or just outside it.

We actualy went on from there via the shortest route back to Manchester which was via Kirkby Steven (As I was out a walking in the North country...) and the M6. Looking at the map later I realised that Appleby in Westmorland is just North of there and as the song mentions it was spring or just after when they set off I wonder if they were making for the haorse fair which I think is in early May. Anyone in the know? (Nick Dow - where are you???)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,red max
Date: 27 May 03 - 03:40 PM

You ought to gatecrash Bob's youth workshop at Whitby this year and confront him with the inconsistencies and questions you've gathered. And if you get a chance, challenge him about that Wild Man track from his Ancient Maps LP...."Not one of your better vocals, Bob old chap!"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 May 03 - 01:54 AM

Hehe - might try that Max! I don't think they were Bobs' inconsistancies though. I think it was my interpretation of the lyrics that were wrong. It would be worth it to ask him where exactly does the white lady walk into the stream!

Thanks for the info on his whereabouts anyway.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 May 03 - 09:17 AM

Pardon me if I'm intruding on a private conversation, but I like to see things documented, so ...

I assume you're talking about this album?

For those who aren't familiar, the current (1997) CD is a reissue of two LPs: "Mr. Fox" (1970) and "The Gypsy" (1971), both by a British folk-rock band called "Mr. Fox" whose leaders were Bob and Carole (later known as Carolanne) Pegg. The same 2 original albums were also combined as a double-LP called "The Complete Mr. Fox" in 1975.

And the song you're referring to is apparently a 15-minute cut called "The Gipsy" (spelled "The Gypsy" according to some sources). I don't think lyrics have been posted in Mudcat, so they would be welcome here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 03 - 09:26 AM

Not intruding at all Jim:-) 'Tis indeed the very same album and track. I will endevour to document all the words this very evening and post them. If I miss tonights window on using my own audio equipment (bloomin' families eh?) I will try this weekend.

If you have never heard it try to get a copy. Not to everyones tastes but I love it. Would you like me to email you a couple of sample tracks in mp3 format? PM me your email addy. As long as no-one finds out of course;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: DTADD: THE GIPSY / THE GYPSY (Mr Fox/Bob Pegg)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 03 - 04:40 AM

THE GYPSY
Words and music by Bob Pegg
(c) 1971 Transatlantic Records Ltd. (c) 1996 Castle Communications Plc

I'd like to tell you people I met her at a fair,
But I met her in a pub down by the far side of the square.
She was dark and she was handsome and her name was Mary Lee
And I'll tell you of the good times of Mary Lee and me.

She said she was a Gypsy and I knew she didn't lie.
You could see the fires of India in her dark and roving eye.
I knew I couldn't hold her; I knew she must be free,
But no power on earth could quench the love I had for Mary Lee.

She said the time of horses had long since passed away,
But the family remembered them as carefree happy days.
Her granddad used to drive in a pony and a trap,
But now they lived in Bradford where her father dealt in scrap.

I can't really tell you how we passed away our time.
We mostly spent the evenings drinking Tetley's ale and wine,
And though it may seem commonplace the way I'm telling you,
To me the life with Mary Lee was like a dream come true.

I courted this young Gypsy girl through autumn into spring
And I thought the time had come for me to offer her my ring,
But I never plucked my courage up or I began to see
That Mary Lee grew restless with the budding of the trees.

It was on a Sunday afternoon I called to take her out.
It was Mary's dad, not Mary, who answered to my shout.
"If it's her that you're seeking you've a long long way to go.
She joined the vans for Scotland at least twelve hours ago."

But while I stood there speechless at what her father said
And the promises I hoped for were still ringing in my head,
Then I knew that I must travel the road she'd gone on
Even if it took me to the dark side of the sun.

So early next morning I started for Ilkley.
The city was silent and still as a stone.
With hope in my heart and fire in my head,
I set off to find where the Gypsies had gone.

I flagged down a car that dropped me at Bolton,
The valley before me, the town at my back.
Walking alone by the low hills of Wharfedale
By the black top of Kilnsey I saw the dawn crack.

The first one I met on the road was a farmer.
He nodded his head as he passed me by.
I asked him politely if he'd seen the Gypsies.
"They were camped up at Langstrothdale," came his reply.

By evening I came to village of Buckden.
Decided that here I should make my night's stop.
"Have you seen the Gypsies?" I asked my friend Jackie.
"They've moved on", he said. "They've gone over the top."

So next morning I took the road into Wensleydale.
Moorland before me stretched out like a dream,
Up by the boulders and over the bridge
Where the White Lady walks into the stream.

I stopped an old man I'd met once before,
Kit Calvert the maker of Wensleydale cheese.
And when I asked Kit if he'd seen the Gypsies
The words that he spoke helped to put me at ease.

He said, "The Gypsies left early; I watched as they went.
They had one among them, a fine dark-haired lass.
She shouted to me from the back of a wagon.
They were making for Keld by the Buttertubs pass."

Now the Buttertubs pass, it's steep and it's high,
And the horses would find it a hard way to go.
If I kept on the road and my boots didn't fail me,
I might catch them up before daylight was through.

High on the road and nobody near me.
Far from the city and far from all harm.
Sheep on the hillside, grouse in the heather.
The blind windows of a far distant farm.

[LONG INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]

As the sun dropped down low I came into Thwaite,
Leaving behind me the dusk on the fells,
Started straight way down the road into Keld
Where Neddy once played his harmonium and bells.

From a field by the road I saw the smoke rising.
I hitched up my pack as I rounded the bend.
I first saw the horses and then saw the wagons
And I knew that my journey was nearing its end.

Mary walked up to me and I looked into her eyes
And the sadness in her face is a thing I can't describe.
We didn't speak a word; there was nothing left to say
About the closing of a love affair, the closing of a day.

Mary took my hand in hers; I took her hand in mine.
Just one more night together before we had our time.
We couldn't sleep inside the van; there wasn't any room,
So I spent the night in Mary's arms beneath the haloed moon.

I woke up in morning; the light was cold and grey.
The Gypsies and their caravans had gone upon their way.
In my head a burning pain, in my heart a hole.
By my side a note was pinned: "Have mercy on my soul."

The last time I heard a word about my Mary Lee,
She was married to a tinker and was living in Dundee.
They say she has a baby now to bounce upon her knee
And I wonder in the long nights if she ever thinks of me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 03 - 04:42 AM

Well, that's it! If anyone wants the music please let me know. Perhaps a Joe Clone can change the handle to 'Lyr Add' or move this section to an /add'?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 03 - 04:48 AM

Just re-read and spotted one error -

By the back top of Kilnsey I saw the dawn crack. Should be

By the black top of Kilnsey I saw the dawn crack.

Anyone to correct it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,Elfcall
Date: 30 May 03 - 09:13 AM

One of my earliest 'folk' memories is listening to this beautiful piece of musical drama. I am really surprised that nobody has taken the theme for a film or TV. Not enough murder and mayhem I s'pose

Elfcall


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 03 - 09:59 AM

They did with Elvira Madigan though, Elfcall! Not sure if the film inspired to the song, the song the film or if the story inspiered both independantly...

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy'
From: GUEST,Mandolin Al
Date: 23 Jun 03 - 06:51 PM

Anyone got the melody and chords for Bob Peggs "The Gypsy" and also for his "Leaving the Dales" from Mr Fox (1970 Transatlantic Records Ltd)?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy'
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 02:49 AM

Well said Mandolin al! you beat me to it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 05:50 AM

Not me I'm afraid:-( Just the words and CD!

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy'
From: GUEST,Mandolin Al
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 05:50 PM

OK so where does anyone suggest we search for the chords and melodies for Gypsy and Leaving the Dales. Some one some where must know them. Being new to this how do we find them? Any help would be appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,DtG sans cookie
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 06:40 AM

If you don't want to wait or cannot get to see Bob at Whitby try contacting him through -

http://www.rhiannonrecords.co.uk/text/artist.html

Hope this helps

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,M'Grath of Altcar
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 08:24 AM

Great thread!!

When do you want to do the walk then Dave?

I'm up for it (If it's on a Sunday, and if public transport permits)

Come on wimps - dig out your walking trousers.

Dave - are you connected (via your Dad?) to the Grove folk club in Leeds? Man that was SOME folk club. If so, I stayed at your house a few times in the late seventies. Greetings !!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 03 - 11:41 AM

'twas not I M'G of A! Lancashire lad born a bred - and my Dad is from Poland!

I have pretty well used or booked my hols up for this year but I will plan on the walk next spring possibly - Could fit in with the song as well. I think 3 days would be good so doing it on a Sunday may be difficult! Unless we split it up. Public transport is also a problem in that area but we can always arrage transport somehow.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Nov 03 - 08:30 AM

Update received:-)

I wrote to Bob who proved he was an all round good chap, as well as a brilliant songwriter and performer, by providing me with the information I asked for.

So, directly from the writer...

Many thanks for your message about The Gypsy. The place where the white lady walks into Oughtershaw Beck is not long after the road over to Gayle crosses the beck at Deepdale. There's a pool where Jacky Beresford (who's mentioned in the song) told me his uncle and father had once seen a white lady walk along the road and into the water.

I'm not sure that gypsy caravans would ever have tried to get over the Buttertubs pass, though they would have been able to find camping places near Keld. The song was intended as part love story and part celebration of my affection for the Dales landscape so some poetic licence was necessary. I imagined the couple spent their last night together in one of the fields just before you come into Keld.


I would still love to do the walk come spring and will probably look for the pool then if not before.

I'll keep you posted as and when I formulate more of a plan to the mad idea;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Nov 03 - 09:34 AM

I love mad ideas! In early April this year I walked the Hambledon Drove Road section of the Cleveland Way and part of the Lyke Wake walk.

I'm up for this one. We could all have Mr Fox on our walkmans...and try and make the overnight stops at pubs with music.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 03 - 02:05 PM

That's the general idea, Sir or Madam! (C'mon - how do you expect me to know with a handle like Countess Richard!) And if there ain't any music at the pubs we stop at - there soon will be:-)

Cheers

:D


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Nov 03 - 07:09 PM

Earl Richard is a hunting gone...so the Countess is out to play. Does that help?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: alinact
Date: 15 Nov 03 - 09:12 PM

Just to flesh out the details of the original LP (for those interested):

Mr Fox - The Gipsey (note spelling). Transatlantic Records TRA236 1971

The group consisted of Bob Pegg (vocals, organ, melodeon, tin whistle, acoustic guitar, piano, electric bass (on House Carpenter), bass drum), Carole Pegg (vocals, acoustic and electric fiddles, tom-tom), Barry Lyons (vocals, electric bass, American dulcimer, sopranino (?) recorder, tambourine) and Alan Eden (vocals, percussion)

Chorus on All The Good Times by the Gridley Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra.

Produced by Bill Leader, Engineer - Nic Kinsey, recorded at Livingstone Studios, Barnet.

Cover design by Ann Winterbothum (?), Inside drawings by Bob Pegg.

AND, remember this? - "This record is stereo. It can be played with excellent results and without damage on most mono players, provided they are fitted with a compatible or stereo cartridge wired for mono sound. If in doubt, consult your dealer"

Allan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 05:47 AM

I was Guest 02:05. Pesky Fox must have ate my biscuit...

Thanks for the enlightenment Countess.

Where has Earl Richard gone anyway? Tell him to watch out for pretty ladies with concealed weapons...:-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 06:09 AM

And especially not to go anywhere near the Clyde where I hear the air-sea rescue divers are equpped only with candles...

Are you serious about 'Join us in our game' up the Dales in the springtime?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 02:49 PM

I am indeed! Just need to loose about 72 stone and catch up with the last years inactivity!

I think we all know the where and why. I'll keep anyone interested posted as to the when:-)

Cheers

:D


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Folkiedave
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 04:33 PM

I have the orginal vinyl recording on my web site if anywone wants to buy it.

Regards,

Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 08:48 AM

Elvira Madigan (a lovely song) seems to have been inspired by a real-life story though probably Bob Pegg first heard about it from the opera (by Mozart, I think). There was also a film of the same name (I am not sure whether this was before or after the Mr. Fox LP) which I recorded on Video tape though I didn't have the patience to watch it right through and think I have wiped it.

If you look up "Elvira Madigan" on the Internet you should find something about it including a photo of the headstone. I don't think Elvira Madigan (which sounds Irish) was her real name.

Pity also that the track "Mendel" was left off the CD of the Mr. Fox double album.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:25 AM

Updating a very old thread.

You probably all know that the reissue, "Join Us In Our Game" includes all the tracks off the two albums, including the wonderful "Mendle" which was missed off the earlier reissue.

More importantly, did you ever do the walk, Dave?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 01:37 PM

I didn't Mr Cringe, or may I call you Spleen? Funily enough though I have just got back from a weekend in the dales - See the thread about The Station at Ribblehead. I will some day though and when I do I will give pleanty of advance warning.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 03:48 PM

Thanks for reviving this thread Spleen/Cringe and for the info about the rerelease! I bought both the Mr Fox albums when they first came out - I had only the vaguest idea what Bob had been doing since he was in the year above me at school, and I was absolutely knocked sideways by his songwriting.

Talk about a renaissance man - apart from all his other abilities, I remember Bob in Julius Caesar at school - we all thought the cast were jammy because they got away with Beatle haircuts. Bob got a five star review in the school mag. He later did some of the pictures on Fairport's Liege and Lief inner cover.

I must now replay both the albums, remembering to be very careful with "The Gypsy". Somebody at Transatlantic had the mad idea of doing a gatefold sleeve with the record sandwiched in a polythene bag in the middle. Said bag had a foam sealing strip which was supposed to stop the disc from falling out. Not only did this not work, but the polythene bag eventually became detached and fell out too!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,oggie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM

One day, if there is any justice, it will prove possible to re-release "He came from the mountains".

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:10 PM

Said bag had a foam sealing strip which was supposed to stop the disc from falling out.

The strip was actually to clean the record as it went in & out the bag. Any other examples of this? Otherwise the vinyl sleeve of The Gypsy is a classic.

The title of Mendle comes from a spoonerism of Mist over Pendle, a book about Lancashire witches Carol Pegg was reading at the time. The record company wouldn't let them use the full title for fear of causing offence but Mendle is something wondrous for sure.

I've done some of the walk, certainly over Buttertubs Pass; the Buttertubs themselves are worth a look.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:01 PM

All that country is magical - I think I feel the old Settle-Carlislitis coming on.

Ah, the delight of standing on the mound just north of Ribblehead Viaduct waiting for an hour to phot a steam train while the snow falls UP your trouser legs.....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:15 PM

One day, if there is any justice, it will prove possible to re-release "He came from the mountains".


In the meantime you can always blog it along with And Now it is So Early - an ever rarer slab of classic B & C Pegg with some truly choice cuts. Now I'm sure we had a thread about that lying around here some place...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,Mad spaniel
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:25 AM

My brother owed this record and i loved the cover as a youngster just getting into music. I think i have it now somewhere in the attic and when i get home tonight i'm gonna find it out!

Thanks for the thread


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,oggie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:52 AM

"In the meantime you can always blog it along with And Now it is So Early - an ever rarer slab of classic B & C Pegg with some truly choice cuts. Now I'm sure we had a thread about that lying around here some place... "

Ah yes, I was referring to a proper release with the artists getting the royalties to which they are entitled. Now I'm sure we had a thread about that lying around here someplace...

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:04 AM

It's good to know that Mr Fox's music lives on and particularly that 'The Gypsy' continues to inspire and enthrall, with people even now retracing the route and discussing the lyrics.

For the record- when I heard Mr Fox live

I recall the wry humour of some of the song introductions;

Re the Butter Tubs - if you look in you can see (pause) orange peel (etc)

RE.sailors walking through walls in 'Take me to the Captain' - 'this was - inconvenient'

Keep up the good work. Some of it was quite gothic, I recall. After the show, Bob and Carole sang some verses from a song based on the stories of H.P. Lovecraft, with evocative minor-key accompaniment on Melodica.

I also recall the 'haunted' harmonium and's dog running up and down the aisle before the concert


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:12 AM

What is it with Bob that this sort of magic seems to follow him around? I caught his children's show Beasties once and it similiarly enthralling...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Steve of W
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 04:12 PM

When will someone put this lovely song on YouTube - I've not heard it for more than 20 years!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:48 PM

No Gypsy I'm afraid but quite a bit of Mr Fox on YouTube - Including one of my favourites - The Hanged Man (over a year too late!)

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:53 PM

Never noticed that before - Many ages later the Village People came...

:D


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 08:06 AM

Did the motorcycle cop get there before the construction worker?
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 09:15 AM

I think it must have been the Native American judging by the amount of threads on here of late :-)

D.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Peter Ford
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 02:35 PM

Some brilliant postings here. Thanks to all for filling in some of the many gaps in my knowledge of the Mr. Fox repertoire. The live concert at St Martin's college was unforgettable, with some small variations from the recorded version of The Gypsy, but the essence was there. Particularly the wonderful single chord harmonium drone sequence, with Bob pedalling to keep up the pressure and also singing. All beautifully kno#itted together. Bob and the bend were generous with their time after the concert, answering questions and even demonstrating songs that wer 'in the pipeline', including the Lovecraftian 'Deep in the cavern where sleeps the great Cthulhu . . '
Outstanding was 'Take me to the captain' with Bob on pounding electric guitar creating a chilling and typically characyter driven scenario within minurtes about the 'Philadelphia experiment' and its effect on those involved. Bob was also kind enough to send me the lyrics when I wrote to him about the somng, though I have never heard it again. Long live the weird and wild sounds of Mr. Fox! Cheers, Peter.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 02:37 PM

St Martin's College Lancaster that was, now the University of Cumbria, late in the band's career.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 05:27 PM

Off tomorrow to walk the route of the song - starting in Bradford where I have found a Lee's scrap yard so I will be visiting there. I will also see if I can locate the pub down by the far side of the square serving Tetleys, but Bradford has been much modernised since the 1970s!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Andrez
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 07:09 PM

How exciting! Let us know how it goes and what you find.

Cheers,

Andrez (A Gypsy fan from way back :-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 01:09 PM

I am in Kettlewell YHA now having walked from Ilkley. The walk fits the song so well. I don't normally plug into music when walking but did so a couple of times and the experience was magic. Taken lots of photos and will put them on line when finished.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 18 Sep 16 - 06:38 AM

Finished walk - magic!
Will do some notes and post here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 05:45 AM

Please do, Roger. Very interesting, as is the whole thread. (Nice to "see" Diane again, even if only in memory.)

BTW, the gospel according to Facebook sez it's Carole Pegg's birthday today (she hasn't been Carolanne for years) so:

Happy birthday Carole, and many, many more...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 06:09 AM

Nice to see this old thread re-appear. It was me that started it but have now let my Mudcat membership go due to 'differences' with the management ;-)

I never got to do it but, funnily enough, since the early posts I now work in Bradford and live in Airedale, near Skipton. The area I work in has a lot of Gypsy links, including Gypsy Lane and a lot of Gypsies seem to be resident nearby. Lee's scrapyard is not that far from where I work if it is the one I just looked up - Lee's auto spares, Mill Lane. Is that the same one, Roger? 3.5 miles from my office if so. I'd love to see any notes you took and you have inspired my to re-visit as soon as I get chance.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 22 Sep 16 - 08:35 AM

Hi
Writing up the walk now.
If I had known you were in Bradford I would have called in!
Anyhow Lee's Auto Spares is, in my imagination at least, now run by Mary's younger brother.
I also decide that the City Vaults is the pub down by the far side of the square.
I will post the walk route when finished, maybe others will do it.
Roger


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 22 Sep 16 - 10:03 AM

Hi all

Here is my short description of the walk. Please feel free to copy and share - it would be great to get people doing it.

The Gypsy Walk

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzCjomCcW38cTVd1SEdTRnFRdEE


Roger


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 23 Sep 16 - 08:55 AM

Very, very, well done indeed, Roger. Marvelous piece of work in gathering together the song, the route and the walk. I managed all the research but only managed the full route on wheels. I hope my little bit did help your adventure.

Final bit of assistance - Blue clicky to the link you posted.

Thinking about who now owns the scrapyard. Maybe Mary's son, that she bounced upon her knee, has come down from Dundee to claim his inheritance :-)

If anyone else fancies the challenge but lacks transport, get in touch with me and, if possible, I will try to help. I am only an hours drive from anywhere on the walk. I will not put my contact details on a public forum but many people on here know how to contact me. More than happy to mirror the journey of the ride from somewhere between Bradford and Ilkely to Bolton Abbey and I will still be back in time for tea:-)

Once again, well done Roger and keep up the good work (or good walk?)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: Andrez
Date: 24 Sep 16 - 02:38 AM

What a beautiful piece of work! Many thanks guest Roger and all for adding another dimension to this wonderful dale tale :-)

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: leeneia
Date: 24 Sep 16 - 09:15 AM

Here's the URL for a YouTube video of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXR0NzN3Hw

The tune seems easy to learn.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: leeneia
Date: 24 Sep 16 - 09:40 AM

There are a number of videos for Mr. Fox on YouTube. Search for this:

Mr. Fox Pegg

to avoid getting links to a recent animated movie called Mr. Fox.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox)
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 18 Nov 16 - 08:01 PM

Just enjoyed a wonderful evening with Bob Pegg and friends at Baccapipes in Keighley.

He finished with The Gypsy.


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