BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation

Subject: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 03 - 12:43 PM

Patriot Act Compliance

The above is a google search for 'Patriot Act Compliance'. Look at all the software and technology getting ready to track you. YOU, not the 'terrorists'.

The reason for all this new technology? Not to fight terrorism. To eventually tax you to death. We will live to see a tax rate of 110%. Can't pay that last 10%? Work it off in the Homeland Security's 'mandatory volunteer service'.

LOOK at the crap these companies are offering. Organized crime. Racketeering. Govt sanctioned. Aimed at YOU. Oregon is discussing taxing drivers per mile, as is Britain. GPS boxes in your cars will do the tracking. You'll receive a bill through the mail. Legislation will outlaw all vehicles without GPS boxes. Your driver's license does not have a photograph on it...that is a digital face scan. You can be ID'd anywhere in the world now with the aid of a digital scanner and access to your state's driver's license database. And you will also be tracked by the way you WALK.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: MMario
Date: 20 May 03 - 12:48 PM

the search is actually for "patriot plus act plus compliance". If you search on 'patriot act compliance' the hits are reduced to under 1000 hits.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 03 - 01:23 PM

Well that's a comfort, isn't it? A mere 1000 tracking software systems in the pipeline. I can breathe easier now.

This stuff is being implemented to move the US and Britain to a cashless society. The same thing which led to the economic catastrophe in Argentina. 3 years after the thumbscanners went in there, the banks closed. They now limit your withdrawals in Argentina. Withdrawals of YOUR OWN MONEY. And once the system is implemented completely in ANY country, your 'account' can then be debitted for any number of reasons. A new tax to pay for 'elections'? Just debit everyone's account one tenth of one percent. Etc, etc, etc.

I keep wire cutters in the truck. First time I'm faced with having to thumbscan to access my own money, there will be a glitch in the electronics.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: DougR
Date: 20 May 03 - 02:04 PM

Flame alert!

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 03 - 02:10 PM

Have you looked at the google search, Doug? Tracking devices. Yet the borders are wide open while Americans are being told their bank accounts and movements will be tracked. Why is that? And it's not a Repub/Dem thing, because BOTH sides are ultimately working toward total control. The American middle class is going to be preyed upon by sophisticated new taxation devices. Go look at some of them.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: MMario
Date: 20 May 03 - 02:16 PM

gee - did you realize your money is being tracked if it is the bank now? and has been since banking systems opened? Did you notice that most of those software programs are designed to prevent money laundering?

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 20 May 03 - 03:11 PM

Mmario; You are absolutely right. The scary thing about this "anti terrorism" legislation is that our esteemed attorney general gets to decide who is a terrorist. Some of the provisions of Patriot II (Or as I unaffectionatley call it, John Ashcroft's secret police bill) include monitoring what you check out at the library or buy at the book store, the right to detain peopple suspected of terrorism or supporting a terrorist organization for an indefinatel period of time without recourse to the courst or the constitutional right to a speedy trial.
   We are the terrorists they are guarding against. Our attorney general has already called those of us who don't support this legislation unpatriotic and implied we are traitors. HEy John, how about you visit my houise and say that in front of witnesses so this veteran can sue your non serving in the military A*@ for slander etc! Sorry about the rant. Liberty for all, Neil

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 20 May 03 - 04:45 PM

GUEST: Our society has been using representational money for centuries. Paper money is no more and no less meaningful than electronic currency, and much less secure.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 03 - 04:46 PM

No...the systems are designed to track UNREGULATED money laundering. Afghanistan's opium production dropped to nil, then the Bush Cocaine Cartel invaded and now opium is up to new record levels in Afghanistan. And while the US border is wide open, the US is going to fence in the entire country of Afghanistan and set up more than a thousand checkpoints...to control the flow of opium and make sure every penny of profit is realized.

As for money laundering, the Organized Criminals control that, too, and with the new legislation and software, they will drive competitors out of business. In the future, all gambling and prostitution and drug money being laundered in the US will have the Bush Company seal of approval.

Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 03 - 04:48 PM

Fine Lurker...tell that to the bank teller who says you can only withdraw enough for a can of beans.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 03 - 05:00 PM

Guest, you're no more palatable than Dreaded Guest was. Wonder why?

Just my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 20 May 03 - 05:01 PM

I have to disagree when Forum Lurker says:

"Paper money is no more and no less meaningful than electronic currency, and much less secure."

I've switched back to using cash for as much as possible, simply because it's ANONYMOUS.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 20 May 03 - 06:34 PM

GUEST: How does that make him any different from the grocery store owner who tells me that my paper money isn't any good? You persist in thinking that cash has any meaning. As pdc says, it does not leave a record, but unless you're buying items that you have good reason not to want anyone to know about, that's not a problem, and there really aren't that many things that fall into that category and can be obtained without any kind of identification.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: DougR
Date: 21 May 03 - 04:22 PM

Ebbie: no chance they could be one in the same?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 03 - 06:58 PM

Chips

By the end of the year, these little tracking chips should be in 100% of the items sold at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has 700-800 slave-labor factories in China, and these chips will be sewn into clothing, melted into plastic containers and embedded in paper.

American paper currency already has tracking strips woven into the linen.

And scanning equipment exists to 'sample' your wallet on your way out the door of any store to determine how much money, denominations, etc. you are carrying. The little chips shown above can be read by a hand-held scanner from a squad car passing by your house.

Say the cops just turned a thousand bucks in tens over to a drug dealer to hand out in 'change'. And one of those bills turns up in your wallet the next day. You're going downtown to answer some questions.

That example just sprang to mind. We could come up with thousands of abuses if we cared to, and if you can imagine such abuses, the cops can. Such intense tracking of money and goods is not needed. The only possible purpose for it is to take more of your money from you. So...things will get pretty brutal under our current cash system (like the example above), and people will get so sick of it, a switchover to a cashless society will seem like a blessing.

But in a cashless society, you don't really own your money. If you have a hundred thousand in the bank but are only allowed two hundred a month, what's the point in working? Which is one of the reasons to implement a cashless society...kill individual initiative and make everyone a slave to the communist state. And once we're all dependent on tyrannical leaders for our bread, dissent will result in starvation.

The US twenty dollar bill was 'made over' to 'thwart counterfeiters' this month. Bushit. The old ones will be called in and there will be fewer new ones put into circulation. Then it'll be the fifties and hundreds, then down the other way to the tens, fives and ones. Americans are in debt to the eyeballs now, and there will be physically less money in the future to pay off that debt. So you will be FORCED to do electronic banking.

The potential for govt abuse is unlimited. Electronic tracking of people, goods and money will result in slavery. Don't know how much plainer I can make it.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 03 - 07:09 PM

Saks fighting Terrorism

Look at how the Organized Criminals running the US govt are abusing the anti-terrorism legislation to force you into a cashless society.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 03 - 10:36 PM

Here's a fun read

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 03 - 10:47 PM

Definitely the same person. Dreadful Guest can be identified a number of ways. One of them is that he/she/it is unable to distinguish between the smoke and the fire. Invariable fastens on the inconsequential or imaginary while the real issues go right over his/her/its head.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 May 03 - 11:08 PM

I know. I had my tongue firmly in cheek. S/He/It (My money is on him) is no more anonymous than I. I no longer bother with his/her/its "fun reads".

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 03 - 11:19 PM

If Johnny Ashcroft wants libraries to track what people read, Johnny Ashcroft had better come up with the money for the stuff that's needed to do that. Libraries are poorly funded now and it's getting worse.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 03 - 01:10 AM

Just occurred to me some of you may not know about the tracking strips in American money. I checked a five dollar bill earlier, and it had the strip in it.

Look at the bill face-on. Lincoln looking back at you. On inch in from the left, start a small tear at the top of the bill and tear down and to the right. Gotta be a hand-made tear, not scissors, because scissors will cut the metal. Tear about a quarter inch down and to the right, and you'll encounter resistance. Pull the paper apart carefully until you see the shiny bit under the light. That is a metal strip which runs from the top edge to the bottom edge of the bill. Woven into the linen. You can hook it and pull it out even. A magnetized thread. It was in the five I just did, and it's in other currencies, but I forget which. Those 'anti-theft' devices at store doorways can tell how much money you have in your pocket. If you enter with no money, you might be a shop lifter. If you exit with a package but have the same amount of cash as when you entered, you might be a shop lifter. That's 1990 technology, too.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST,another guest
Date: 22 May 03 - 06:29 AM

Guest - what evidence do you have that these metallic strips can be used in tracking? They sound pretty much the same as strips in Britain, which seem to be a way to protect against counterfeit. At least I assume that since the shop assistants do the same thing you have described (making the small rip to check for the metallic strip) when they are checking your money isn't fake.

And do you really have trouble getting hold of cash? In the UK, my bank will let me withdraw £200 per day from one account, and £300 per day from another. I can get as much as I like out (as long as I have it) if I go into a branch and withdraw it personally (with ID). The only reason they limit the amount from cash machines is so they don't lose too much if your card is stolen and it gets used before you have time to cancel it. I can't imagine things are very much different in the US. Have you ever *really* had problems in the amount of cash you have access to? Do you know anyone who has? Or is your head just going off on one wild paranoid fantasy?

????

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 03 - 10:25 AM

No trouble yet, but the $20 bills just hit the streets. In Russia, they announced a deadline for the old rubles. Said the old ones would lose value on a certain date, so folks better turn them in. Scared people into submission. After the 'fall of communism'. So, the Russian govt re-asserted control of the currency on one day as everyone pulled their savings out of their mattresses and lined up at banks. And the new ruble was worth less than the old one (how convenient for the govt), so there were suddenly fewer rubles in circulation.

Same thing will now happen in the US, but it will be a lot more incremental. Can't increase the water temperature on the lobsters TOO fast. There will less physical money on the streets a year from now because not as much will be printed. Eventually, when the economy of the US and Britain collapse, you and I will both be 'allowed' a certain amount per month from the bank. Just like in Argentina.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST,another guest
Date: 22 May 03 - 10:34 AM

well you certainly have a vivid imagination, guest, I'll give you that.

In the UK they seem to change the design of the notes every five minutes and gradually withdraw the old ones, and I still haven't had any trouble getting hold of cash. And I have never been unable to withdraw money because of a shortage - ie they havent printed enough!

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 May 03 - 10:39 AM

"Dreadful Guest" did say that he/she would be coming in only as GUEST in the future. I think that was immedietly after someone else came in and made some reasonable comments with which DG took issue. While DG may well have psychological issues for which I hope he/she is getting appropriate medical treatment, he/she is not as vicious as others who appear here from time to time. DG, please feel free to go back to using your codename.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 22 May 03 - 12:10 PM

DG-You still haven't caught on. The paper money "they" are taking away from you is no more meaningful than Monopoly money, except that it is CURRENTLY considered legal tender. They're really fancy poker chips. Stop worrying about something that doesn't threaten you.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 03 - 01:04 PM

DG, you really don't have to worry about all this. It won't do you any good. THEY have been tracking YOU ever since your birth--when they planted the alien microchip subcutaneously just a few minutes after you were born.

Klaatu

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 May 03 - 04:22 PM

Or before, Don Firth. There is little doubt but that DG's parent was tagged and tracked well before his arrival. He is obviously part of a study.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: MMario
Date: 22 May 03 - 04:28 PM

I personally suspect that genetic markers have been introduced to his chromosomes

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 03 - 07:10 PM

I'd rather talk about that extra chromosome you have Mario. But yeah, I was viciously attacked for asking for a definition of Anti-semitism. A forum terrorist hijacked my name and began defending Sharon or something. I forget. I'm going to have to return to that topic by asking what Zionism is before long, because the biggest Hollywood brainwashing endeavor of all time just set a box-office record by depicting a 'party in Zion' while Illuminati symbolism slides subliminally across the screen. We're in a world of trouble, people, and 'what is real and what is the Matrix' is the least of our problems. So go on with your ad hominem attacks. The message SHOULD hurt so much that your have to try to block it out. But you'll get past that before long. You folks couldn't POSSIBLY be as stupid as you sound, so there's hope.

Money is real in that it represents time expended. They convince you (purveyors of money) you need more and more 'things', and before long you're working two and three jobs to pay off the debt you've accumulated. For what? So money DOES have value in that regard. And the fundamental question of life is....do you want to do what YOU want with your time alloted, or do you want to do what OTHERS tell you to do? And when the Pentagon bombs the WTC and tells us we have to pay extra for the service, I say no. I'll cut the wires on the thumbscanner before I allow them to track me any more than they already are. Got my nippers all sharpened.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 22 May 03 - 08:48 PM

So, an accusation of trisomy begins a rant against ad hominem attacks, and your premise in an argument that money means something is that the people who want you to think it means something told you so. No need to carry a handle, DG. Your style is recognizable anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 May 03 - 09:22 PM

Ah, now Dreaded Guest complains of having a name usurped, but yet our Dreaded Guest refuses to use our cookie system, which we developed to control the problem of name usurpation.
Guess we can't help you, Guest.

As for the War on Terrorism being a cover for taxation, I guess you could see it that way. The Republicans cut taxes and spend gigabucks on warfeare, and then leave the debts for the Democrats to pay.
But both sides are beholden to the gigawealthy, so both sides will eventually stick it to the middle class.

It's the American Way.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 03 - 10:49 PM

I don't think I complained, just explained. Wouldn't want the PM's associated with the cookies.

So...what's the ettiquette of choosing a guest handle? I kind of like Mary Poppins, but maybe that one's been taken. I want to see people rip into and gut 'Mary Poppins' when I ask for a definition of Zionism. Has Mary Poppins been claimed already?

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 May 03 - 02:43 AM

Well, if you are afraid of being contacted by Mudcatters, then I suppose you don't want a Mudcat cookie. Mudcatters are a very dangerous lot, after all.
Barring that, maybe you're best off keeping "Dreaded Guest" as your nickname. We've come to know you as that. Maybe somebody will try to impersonate you every once in a while, but I think most of us who read your posts, know your style.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: War on Terrorism is a Cover for Taxation
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 23 May 03 - 11:57 AM

Never mind the money, Guest. The one thing that people don't realize about the money system in this country is that when they introduce new currency, they don't outlaw the old bills. They remain in circulation until they wear out and by the way if you find a green back from 18864, you could still spend it though as a collector I don;'t advise it for value purposes and as a consumer, I would expect the shop keepers would have some qualms about accepting it as it doesn't resemble our present currency.
   The country won't outlaw cash I would however worry about the government passing the Patriot II act. If you haven't read it do so. It scares the hell out of me and should anyone who cares about their constitutional freeedoms. And guest, I wouldn't worry about the mudcatters. Give us a name! Neil