The North-South Divide

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 05 Jun 03 - 03:11 AM

Who would you sooner believe: a man who's been on the telly or a woman who worked in adverstising?

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 May 03 - 03:45 AM

Morse may have been rusticated, but in Lord Peter Whimsy's day, one was sent down!

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 30 May 03 - 10:35 AM

...ouch! Glad I went to a white tile university.

RtS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 30 May 03 - 10:14 AM

There's no contradiction, Liz: you don't get sent down from Oxford, you get rusticated. (I read Inspector Morse as well!)

Steve

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 30 May 03 - 09:17 AM

I must admit, when I lived in Yorkshire, as a youngest, I couldn't wait to hit the bright lights of the South, especially London. I suppose it is a sign of increasing age that, 30 years on, I find life on the Yorkshire borders far more exciting and infinitely more pleasurable.

ZM

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Santa
Date: 30 May 03 - 09:11 AM

If the up direction from Carlisle station is to London or Newcastle, and the up direction at Newcastle is to London or Carlisle, which is up and which down at Hexham? Answers on a postcard to somebody else, please.

If you think of Up as implying superior, I think that explains the motivation behind all the usages. Up North and Down South, that feels right. As for Oxford, that's an internal Southern matter, so only Southerners care.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 30 May 03 - 06:31 AM

HK

As Mick has pointed out it depends on where you start from. Not sure where Rodesia is but I regard RHodesia as being north.

Interesting to see you looked it up though ...

ZM

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 May 03 - 05:08 AM

So what happens when you go up to Oxford from London? If you get sent down from Oxford, how do you do it, because it's actually sideways?

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Santa
Date: 30 May 03 - 05:06 AM

We go up to London from railway practice. There are up and down lines, with up and down platforms on stations. The up line is the one going towards London.

It seems odd to me too. A bit like the famous road sign on the A1: Hatfield and the North. What - all of it?

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 May 03 - 03:56 AM

I still consider anything foreign if it's further north than Blandford, Dorset... and as that's only about 20 odd miles from the south coast, it doesn't leave a lot.....

To add insult to injury, I'm considered a northerner because I don't live sarf o'da riva Taymes

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Ross
Date: 30 May 03 - 03:52 AM

It's all up north from Bedfordshire

& custard sandwiches

Funny enough

our local co-op is a south midlands branch

so perhaps Bedfordshire people or up tut up north

Ross

Why do we go up smoke (London) when it's down?

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Blackcatter
Date: 30 May 03 - 12:26 AM

To me the North is up around Valdosta, Georgia.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:06 PM

Oh Bugger, someone knows their geography/history. Santa, sorry about that, just a jibe to wind up the Geordies

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 May 03 - 06:45 PM

Ross /ZM

Rodesia is not the north. It's the East Midlands.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:28 PM

Hey Ross - I moved BACK north. I'm originally from near Wombwell, West Riding of Yorkshire and proud of it.

ZM

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Santa
Date: 29 May 03 - 10:02 AM

The Antonine Wall is NORTH of Hadrian's. It is in what is currently Scotland but hopefully will someday be restored to be rightfully part of Northumbria. Lowland Scotland is of course English-speaking (well, sort of) as opposed to the Celtic fringes, and has more in common with Northern England than either have with the Highland Celts or Southerners.

This posting has been brought to you by the Northumbrian Liberation Front...but it is still true. Especially that bit about the Antonine Wall.

Incidentally, it has been argued that the Vallum, or ditch, south of Hadrian's Wall was put there to stop the Geordies stealing the lead from the roofs.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Lidy
Date: 29 May 03 - 09:17 AM

I'm not your daughter!
My dad's called Graham. And he doesn't like folk!
Maybe there's something amongst us young folkies with the hairdye...i blame eliza carthy myself!

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 May 03 - 08:52 AM

Lidy, your description fits my daughter to a T! (Except that you're never too young to enjoy Folk!)

Steve

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: IanC
Date: 29 May 03 - 08:04 AM

Try again ...

What's On PermaThread
Kevin McGrath's Session Links
Unicorn Folk Magazine

Some Bucks links ...
Tudor Folk Club, Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Wycombe Folk Club, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
Bucks District EFDSS List

;-)
Ian

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: IanC
Date: 29 May 03 - 08:01 AM

Here's a few more links for local folk ...

What's On PermaThread
Kevin McGrath's Session Links
< href=http://members.aol.com/unifolk/>Unicorn Folk Magazine


Also, some Bucks links ...

Tudor Folk Club, Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Wycombe Folk Club, High Wycombe,
Buckinghamshire
Bucks District EFDSS List

;-)
Ian

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Lidy
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:31 AM

Thank you all, for reaffirming my faith in bonny Bucks... Will hopefully see some of you soon. You can't miss me, I'm the one that's too young to like folk and has stupidly coloured hair.
x

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:26 AM

The Romans also built another wall to the south of Hadrians Wall just to make sure, it also kept the Geordies out as well. It was/is known as the Antonine Wall and is shown on the Matthew Paris map of England c.1250

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 May 03 - 07:20 AM

Aye a ken fine whit ye mean LTS, ma wee wifie burnt ma bannocks jist this mornin'.
Slainthe.....Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:40 AM

And there's an "event" at Linslade (Leightion Buzzrd) on Sunday 8 June: there wil be a marquee for the musos,with "tune sessions" from 1-2 and 3-4 in the afternoon. Don't be put off by the word "tne", as I shall be singing (unless I'm asked not to, but I don't usually do requests!)

Oh, and there's Folk on the Green at Stony Stratford soon -- anyone got details?

Steve

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Jeanie
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:30 AM

Lidy, it's a long way off yet, but here's a weekend event in Hertfordshire that promises to be very good:
The Eighth Winter Sing at The Crown Inn, Buntingford, 14th to 16th November. Indoor camping.
Contact e-mail on their flyer is: [e-mail]

I went to a one-day event in Hitchin organised by the same people earlier in the year and it was excellent. A lovely crowd and great singing.

And if you dare to venture into Essex, there's Moreton Midsummer Festival (near Ongar) coming up on 14th-15th June.

Cheers!
- jeanie

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Ross
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:20 AM

It can't be that grim up north - Zanny Mouse moved there

Have you ever seen the Unicorn magazine

3 monthly folk magazine

Has a session page covering your area plus clubs

Loads of stuff

Send an unused gummed A5 self addressd envelope to
Unicorn Magazine, Serif House, Dudley Street, Luton, LU2 0NT

Ross

sessions at The Bull, Barton-le-Clay every other Monday
next session - 2nd June 2003

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 29 May 03 - 05:01 AM

Er.... don't let the Scots hear you calling them English.... Hadrian was on THIS side of the wall, and it was built as a psychological barrier at the end of the Roman Empire rather than any defensive or offensive feature.

Call the Scots, English and we could have Bannockburn all over again!

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 May 03 - 04:59 AM

What did the Romans ever do for us??
Unfortunately the bloody thing doesn't work!!
*BG*.....Giok

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 29 May 03 - 04:52 AM

Hadrian had the right idea .Build a bloddy big wall and keep the English Out.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 May 03 - 03:26 AM

Raggytash - have a care, sir! It's Stephen, if you don't mind! As my grandmother used to say, you can call me anything you like, as long as you don't call me late for my dinner ... but if you mis-spell my name, I'm liable to get spiteful!

S

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 May 03 - 06:59 PM

Mr Steven Parkes ...............thats dangerous talk for a southerner (note the lack of a capital letter) and GUEST ? Some parts of the North are brilliant ............. the rest are in yorkshire

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 03 - 06:50 PM

I'm from Yorkshire and the North is just marvellous.

The end ;)

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 May 03 - 06:49 PM

Or should that be the A30?

There's a lady who knows where the A30 goes, and she knows it's a fair way to Devon.....

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 May 03 - 06:45 PM

Then of course, there is the south/south west divide - where the accents stop being Home Counties and start being 'yokel', round about the M5 I think......

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 May 03 - 06:12 PM

Round here (5 miles south of Watford), the north-south divide is the Thames. But depending where you are in Bucks you might even make Herga on a Monday (although, admittedly, Chesham is in Bucks and Wealdstone isn't).

Kitty

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 May 03 - 01:22 PM

Liddy,you dont say where you are in Bucks but I assume North.Try the
Stoney Stratford Sunday Lunchtime session with Matt Armour at the Cock
There wil be enough people there to point you at all sorts of local
clubs and sessions.If you are further South come over to Maidenhead
Folk Club (The Ferry at Cookham) every Thursday,Uxbridge (Crown and Treaty Tuesdays)or Tudor Folk at the White Hill centre in Chesham.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:05 PM

There's enough middle there for us all to smack, Liz -- or is it just a well-padded jumper?

Talking of divides, when you get Oop North you find its actually an East-West divide, conspicuously marked out with a chain of mountains. Without it, nobody would be able to tell the Lanckies fromthe Yorkies; althogh I suppose they can tell each other apart.

Steve (from the West Midlands, but now in the South Midlands)

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 May 03 - 10:40 AM

Don't forget Cllr, smack in the middle there.

Or just smack Cllr in the middle....

LTS

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 28 May 03 - 09:28 AM

Well, a lot of the Mudcatters down South are from the West Midlands, doing sterling missionary work. The Bucks and Beds crowd post here quite often,Julie B, Steve Parkes and others. Leadfingers usually has the skinny on folk things in Berks, King Street Smith on the skiffle scene and I've tried to interest people in the blues scene hereabouts to a deafening silence.... they are out there....

RtS
(Birmingham Consul in Ascot)

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Ian
Date: 28 May 03 - 08:23 AM

Hi Lidy,
You will have Towersey Fest August Bank Hol Week end Just over the border in Oxfordshire by Thame near Aylesbury.

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 May 03 - 08:21 AM

Well, I'm all for re-instating the Watford Gap myself. Keep the buggers down where they belong...;-)

BUT, being the nice kind gnome I am, I suggest looking here

Happy folking and cheers

Dave the Gnorthern Gnome

Subject: RE: The North-South Divide
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 May 03 - 07:51 AM

Take a look at the Folk Roots web site (froots.org, I think) It list many many festivals throughout the country

Subject: The North-South Divide
From: GUEST,Lidy
Date: 28 May 03 - 07:24 AM

Ok, there seems to be an awful lot going on "oop narth" (i'm not ridiculing, my family are Hull-based and I love them dearly!). And there seems to be a bit going on "dahn sahth", mostly represented by the good folks of southern hampshire. I live in Bucks and spend a lot of time in London. Anyone else reckon this area is seriously lacking in decent goings on music wise? Or do I just not know where it's happening? It seems that all the festivals I'm off to are a good two hour's drive from me etc.
Anyone got any triad secrets (beds bucks herts; not some weird shanghai links)?!
Would love to hear abou them.
Cheers
Lidy