Subject: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,adesanti@comcast.net Date: 06 Jun 03 - 02:59 PM I have only been able to find one Digitized melody for this popular traditional round (a favorite, it seems, for girls' campsong books). Apparently, there are several melody variations. If anyone has any to offer, I would be grateful! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Q Date: 06 Jun 03 - 08:51 PM Jean Ritchie has put a melody to this little four-line round, with add-on verses, I think it is called the 'Peace' version. In the past others also added verses (ding-dong, love, love, etc., etc.), most not continuing the theme of the four lines. The verse is supposed to be 17th century. It may be like "Ring Around the Rosie." which is 19th century, with one questionable version from the late 18th., but the fakelorists put great age to it. Somewhere I got this, probably from the internet because it looks like a recent scribble, but I put it in my rhyme collection without the reference. e d e lowb e e f# g a f# b a b g a b b g e lowb The commonest versions are: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Shall I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy (my) will, Sire, at thy (my) will. Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Wil I ever see thee wed? I marry that you may, If thou wilt stay. Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Wilt thou never marry me? Ah, marry that I will, If thou but stay. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Guest, Jen Date: 06 Jun 03 - 10:32 PM There is a tune in Rise up Singing, not the one I learned at GS camp decades ago. We used to sing Rose in a round with another song, Ah Poor Bird (also in Rise Up Singing). |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 06 Jun 03 - 11:51 PM Do you know these rounds? Hey, ho nobody home no meat, no drink, nor money have we none. Yet are we still merry or Row, row, row, row Row your boat to Jesus' side. There forever to abide, Lord, at thy side. Well, the tune for Rose, Rose is about the same at these two. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Jun 03 - 01:46 AM I added crosslinks up top to other threads on this song, and to the Digital Tradition version (including tune). I think the DT version is closest to the one I learned when I was growing up. Here's the version from the Rise Up Singing songbook, with a tune that isn't what I learned as a kid: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose Click to playHere's the version from Sol Weber's Rounds Galore which is closer to what I know: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose Click to play |
Subject: ADD: Peace Round (Jean Ritchie) From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Jun 03 - 02:07 AM I think this is exactly the tune I learned when I was young. PEACE ROUND (Jean Ritchie) Oh, what a goodly thing If the children of all men* Could dwell together In peace. *or, "of the earth" from Celebration of Life (Jean Ritchie, 1971) Click to play |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST Date: 05 Sep 04 - 09:59 PM Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will sir, at thy will Hey ho nobody home Meat nor drink nor money have I none Still, I will be veerry merry Hey ho nobody home Love Love Love Love Children this is your call Love thy neighbore as thy self for God loves all Building bridges between our divisions If I reach out to you will you reach out to me? With all of our voices and all of our visions Friends we can make such sweet harmony Ah poor bird Take thy flight Fly above the sorrows of this dark night |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Sep 04 - 10:03 PM Isn't that a kind of a double negative in line six? |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 06 Sep 04 - 03:12 AM Capriole (also known as Steel Bunny) recorded a version of this on 'Sex & Drums & Sausage Rolls'. Their version went: Rose, rose, rose, rose, When will we meet again? When the nights are cold and lonely, We shall meet again. They also do the 'Hey ho, nobody at home' with it. The rest of the tape is pretty spectacular too, especially 'When Celia was learning on the spinnett to play', which is a tender, touching and positively filthy (if you are so minded..... guilty as charged) Tudor canon. LTS |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Sep 04 - 01:10 PM If the tape is available, how can I get it? Not listed in Google or Amazon, and Capriole seems to be mostly goats and cheese. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 06 Sep 04 - 05:25 PM Will try and find an ISBN for you but it may only be available from the group themselves. Try looking for Hazel Absalome, she's the ringleader! LTS |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Sep 04 - 05:48 PM Thanks, Liz |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Er Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:41 PM Yea. We have to sing that song in choir, but we sing it like this: Rose, rose, rose, rose Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire At thy will Hey-ho, nobody home Meat nor drink nor money have I none Still I will be very merry Hey-ho nobody home Ah poor bird Take thy flight Fly above the sorrows of this dark night |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,erika Date: 30 Oct 04 - 09:54 PM Here are the lyrics I was taught Rose Rose Rose Rose Will I Ever See Thee Wed I WIll Marry At Thy Will, Sire At Thy Will I WIll Not Be My Fathers Jack and I Wont be my mothers jill I WIll Be a fiddlers wife and fiddle I Will Oh poor bird why art thou flying in the shawdows of this dark hour hey ho nobody home got no eat no drink, nor money have i none still i will be merry hey ho hey-e ho hey ho hey-e ho |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 04 - 01:35 PM Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire, At thy will. Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong. Wedding bells on an April morn. Carve your name on a moss covered stone, A moss covered stone. I have also heard these versions: Hey, Ho, nobody home. No meat, no drink, no money have I none. Still, I will be very, very merry. Hey, Ho, nobody home. Ah, poor bird, Take thy flight Far above the sorrows of this sad night. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Nov 04 - 01:43 PM Rose (4x) is only the first four lines. All the rest are floaters, as noted before. Any Randolph-Legman type parodies? |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Light_n_Sexy@hotmail.com Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:23 PM i have both versons plus more hey ho nobody home eat nor drink nor money have i none still i wil be verrry very marry hey ho nobody home then you repeat it 3 times and on the 4th you say hey ho hummmm and rose,rose,rose,rose will i ever see thee wed i will merry at thy will sire at thy will and theres this one ii ya maklaaa nana lay la ooo ii ya maklaaa nana lay la ooo oh oh oh oh ohh ohhhhhh oh oh oh ohhhhhh |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: belter Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:05 PM Try singing the quadradic equation to the same melody. negative b plus or minuse radical b squared minuse 4 a c all over 2 a |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,funky Date: 04 Feb 05 - 06:01 AM the lyrics i was taught recently were touted as being from mediaeval times and sung by a man to his beloved, who is dying of the plague (i think?!!), which is characterised by paleness... his beseeching "shall i ever see thee red" apparently referred to her regaining colour and therefore health... the lyrics i learnt were as follows, and is sung very mournfully: rose, rose, rose, rose shall i ever see thee red? when shall i marry thee? when thou art dead so who knows where my version originated?!! *shrug* cheers, funky |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Feb 05 - 01:01 PM Funky, the last line is absent from all the older versions. The "older" versions are all 20th c., and unless some documentation can be put forth, likely yours is as well. Here is one actually about a rose (flower). The original?. Perhaps out of a flower book or catalogue: Rose, rose, rose, rose, Shall I ever see thee red? Aye, marry, that thou wilt, If thou but stay. With music, p. 159, Janet E. Tobitt, 1946, "The Ditty Bag," NY. (Posted before? Several threads; I didn't check them all. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Madame Passereau Date: 17 Feb 05 - 06:05 PM I have also heard a verse that goes: Mother, Father, dig my grave Dig it with a golden spade Bring some friends and a mourning dove To show I died for love When we learned the other verses at camp, they wouldn't let us sing this one because they thought it was too morbid for the littler kids. It's one of my favorites, though. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 18 Feb 05 - 07:26 PM Guest Q: You have it backwards in your post (#2, above. The melody to "Rose, Rose," is traditional; the "Peace Round" words are what I wrote, setting them to an adaptation (very nearly the same)of the old tune. I used the low note which ends the old tune to sing the first word of my poem, "O"(followed by "what a goodly thing..." etc.) As I wrote before, in another "Rose, Rose" thread, we sang the words to the old round thusly: Rose, rose, rose, rose, Shall I ever see thee red? Aye, marry, that thou wilt If thou but stay. A simple question posed to a rosebud slow to open- nothing to do with pale dying maidens as far as I know. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Feb 05 - 08:19 PM I wrote that it was a little four-line verse. I thought I was crediting the "Peace" rhymes to you as well as the melody, but I apparently did not make myself clear. Sorry if my post was confusing. The tune has to be called 'traditional'; all of them, I guess, since there are several I have heard used and no one has claimed them. The Mudcat midis have two. Is the tune used by you the same as one of these? Like "Barges," neither tune nor rhyme seems to be found in anything older than the scouts and kids songbooks; everything else seems to be speculation. Have you found an older source? Kytrad, I not only read your post about the rosebud, but I agreed in the next posting. So much for my memory!! And only six months ago- too many threads for me to absorb at my age. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Lolita Date: 20 Mar 05 - 08:58 PM When I was at a Girl Scout camp a while back we learned the song (along with sign language for it) and ours went like this: rose, rose, rose, rose will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will sire at thy will ding dong, ding dong wedding bells on an april morn carve thy name on a moss covered stone on a moss covered stone... |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Kim Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:07 PM Ok, I learned this song at camp and I have no Idea if it's true or not but I learned that it was about the war of the roses. That's why there's the line will I ever see thee red. The verses I was taught were. Rose Rose Rose Rose Will I ever see thee red I will marry at thy will sire At thy will Ding dong ding dong Wedding bells on an April morn Carve your name on a moss covered stone On a moss covered stone Love love love love Gospel is the word of love Love thy neighbor as thy brother Love love love Ah poor bird Take thy flight High above the sorrows Of this poor night (or knight, I never was completely sure) I hope this is of some help. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Jen :) Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:21 PM Is there a code to post this song on a site or something like that? Thanks! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,MMario Date: 30 Jun 05 - 08:54 AM Jen -0 I don't understand your question. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Kay Date: 08 Sep 05 - 07:41 PM http://www.chivalry.com/cantaria/lyrics/peaceround.html |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Sep 05 - 08:12 PM Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Don't never say dese and dose. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Sarah Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:39 AM Found this by googling some of the lyrics and thought I'd add the lyrics I learned, since they're a bit different from anyone else's. I learned this from a friend who learned it at her church camp in middle school. Rose rose rose red Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will sire, at thy will Oh poor bird where art thou? Lying in the shadows of this old house Probably just a mishearing of the more common lines "flying in the shadows" and the like. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Cyparissa Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:39 AM QUOTE: From: GUEST,Madame Passereau - PM Date: 17 Feb 05 - 06:05 PM I have also heard a verse that goes: Mother, Father, dig my grave Dig it with a golden spade Bring some friends and a mourning dove To show I died for love *** That sounds like a version of Turtledove- "Go dig my grave both wide and deep Put a marble stone at my head and feet In the middle of my grave put a turtledove To show to the world that I died for love." That particular version is sung by Custer LaRue- great song, by the way. Also, does anyone know where I might find written music for "Rose, Rose?" It sounds beautiful, and I just love the words. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: MMario Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:48 AM Rose,Rose at 'Yet another digital Tradition - a site that displays the tunes of the Digital Tradition as sheet music. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Din Date: 23 Dec 05 - 07:27 PM I learned it a different way: "Rose, rose, rose, red Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will At thy will Ding dong, ding dong Wedding bells on an April morn' Carve thy name in a moss covered stone, Moss covered stone Peace, peace, peace, peace Wars will end and wars will begin I will never fight again Never again.." |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,girl scout Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:15 PM We sing this as a camp song- Rose, rose, rose, rose will i ever see thy wed i will marry at thy will, sire, at thy will rose, rose, rose, rose then we also sing it- hey ho, anybody home meat and drink and money have i none still i will be very merry hey ho, anybody home but not as one song.. just to the same tune.. the first one is depredding to some of our troop.. yes im a 15 yr old girl scout.. so sue me |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,ImaginaryAngel Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:51 PM Rose, rose, rose red, Shall I ever see thee wed? Aye, marry; that thou will, sire - When I am dead. Can anyone somehow convey to me how the "ah, poor bird" verse works and to what tune? It seems too short for the same tune as Rose Red. Thank you! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Desert Dancer Date: 05 Jun 06 - 01:46 AM The tune for "Ah, Poor Bird" is not the same as for "Rose, Rose..." and that's why it doesn't seem to scan; it harmonizes well when they're sung simultaneously. Here it is in abc notation. (More info on that here, but in short, the letters are the notes you'd expect. Capital letters for the octave from middle C, small letters above middle C. In this case, it's based on an 1/8th note, so "D2" is a quarter note D, "F4" is a half note F, "dd" is two eighth note high d's, etc.) X:1 T:Ah Poor Bird C:trad. N:round (compatible with Joan, Joan/Rose, Rose) Q:1/4=110 V:1 M:4/4 L:1/8 K:Dm D2 E2 F4 |F2 G2 A4 |GA dd cd AA |G F2 E2 D3 |] ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Kate Date: 17 Jul 06 - 03:31 PM I have always heard Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose Will I ever see thee wed I will marry will sire At thy will Ding Dong ding Dong Wedding bells on an april morning Carve thy words on a moss covered stone On a moss covered stone |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Jul 06 - 04:38 PM Rose, rose, rose, rose Flows the blood as you are bled. Basted o'er with rosemary Roasted rare you will be. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Desert Dancer Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:09 PM Where's THAT one from, Q?? ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:03 AM Written in pencil in a Better Homes and Gardens Meat Cookbook I got at a book sale. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: Desert Dancer Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:05 AM That's wonderful! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: MMario Date: 18 Jul 06 - 08:14 AM scanscions a bit off, but I like it! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:46 PM i learned it as this at my girl scout camp basically just felt like seeing if i could remember it all: Rose,Rose,Rose,Rose Will i ever see thee wed, I will marry at thy will sire at thy will Hey ho nobody home meat nor drink nor money have i none still i will be merry merry merry hey ho nobody home ah poor bird take thy flight high above the sorrows of this cold dark night the wind in the willows sighing like a solitary soul alone the wind in the willows sighing like a solitary sould alone |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Dave Date: 19 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM I've only ever heard the version that goes: Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall i ever see thee wed? Aye, marry, that i will When thou art dead. Framed as conversation between a spinster and her ailing parent. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Kate Date: 30 Dec 06 - 11:06 PM My acting teacher of a few years ago taught my class this version: Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall I ever see thee wed? I marry that thou shalt When thou art dead. Hey, ho, nobody home Bread nor meat nor money have I none Still I will I will be merry Ah, poor bird, Take thy flight Far above the sorrows of this sad night. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Stormi Night Date: 16 Jan 07 - 09:11 PM i learned this song a couple os years back form a counsoler named Whispher, and i have never forgotten it, it was at a Girl Scout camp.... Rose rose rose rose shall i ever see thy wed i shall marry at thy will sire at thy will ding dong ding dong wedding bells on a september morn. carve thy name on a moss covered stone on a moss covered stone love love love love the gospel of the world is love love thy neighbor as thy brother love love love peace peace peace peace wars shall and wars shall cease we must learn to live together peace peace peace |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Danielle Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:59 PM The version I learned in girl scouts went like this: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose Will I ever see thee wed? I shall marry thee at thy will, sire At thy will Ding, dong, ding, dong Wedding bells on an April morn Carve your name in a moss covered stone Moss covered stone Hey, ho nomebody home No meat, nor drink, nor money have I none Still I will be verry merry Love,love,love,love, Love,looove,love (the second "love" in the bottom line last as long as two normal "love"s when sung) |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Simple Tom Date: 27 Apr 07 - 05:35 PM I ran into this site by searching for the "hey ho" part of the song which my parents sang to me as a child. I recently rediscovered that fragment of the song in Peter Paul and Mary's song entitled "A'Soalin'" (from their "Moving" album). Lyrics and chords can be found here: http://members.cox.net/billandleann/a-soalin.htm |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,Amanda Date: 30 Apr 07 - 04:23 PM Were Doing This Song In Chorus. Its Pretty Awsome I Love The Melody. Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire, At thy will. Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong. Wedding bells on an April morn. Carve your name on a moss covered stone, A moss covered stone. Ah poor bird Take thy flight High above the sorrows Of this poor night. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose (Traditional) From: GUEST,GUEST Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:16 PM I learned this song at GS camp, even though we're not allowed to sing it anymore because it refrences death and all that good stuff. I was also told that it was originally a song about a woman named Rose that was being forced to marry someone she wasn't in love with, so she killed herself. Nobody here seems to have quite all the verses I know in the same message, so I thought I'd put them all into one... Rose, rose, rose, rose Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire At thy will Hey, ho, nobody's home Eat nor sleep nor money have I none Still I will be married Hey, ho, nobody's home Ding dong, ding dong Wedding bells on an April morn Carve your name on a moss covered stone On a moss covered stone Mother, Father dig my grave Dig my grave with a golden spade Bring my friends and a turtledove To show I died for love The verse "Ah poor bird, take thy flight, high above the sorrows of this dark night" is a descant that can be sung with any of the verses, but we usually sing it with the third one. |
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