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Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)

Bernard 07 Jun 03 - 07:25 PM
GUEST,treaties1 07 Jun 03 - 07:45 PM
Snuffy 08 Jun 03 - 04:39 AM
Noreen 08 Jun 03 - 04:45 AM
Harry Basnett 08 Jun 03 - 08:31 AM
masato sakurai 08 Jun 03 - 09:22 AM
Harry Basnett 08 Jun 03 - 09:41 AM
Bernard 08 Jun 03 - 02:16 PM
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Malcolm Douglas 08 Jun 03 - 04:15 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Bernard
Date: 07 Jun 03 - 07:25 PM

Anyone got the words for 'Farewell Manchester'? The tune is 'Felton's Gavotte', written in 1728 by William Felton, and is used for the Lichfield tradition 'Ring o'Bells' Morris dance.

It doesn't seem to be in the DT, and there's only one thread which makes a fleeting reference to the tune...


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Subject: Lyr Add: FAREWELL MANCHESTER (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST,treaties1
Date: 07 Jun 03 - 07:45 PM

Here they are Bernard

Farewell Manchester words John Oxenford. tune Rev Wm Felton (1713-1769) said to have been played when the young Pretender's army left Manchester in 1747
Source Sing Together 100 songs for unison singing arranged by William Appleby and Frederick Fowler

NOT TOO SLOWLY

Farewell, Manchester, noble town, farewell!
Here with loyalty every breast shall swell.
Wheresoe'er I roam, here, as in a home,
Ever dear Lancashire, my heart shall dwell.

Farewell, Manchester, sadly I depart,
Tear-drops bodingly from their prison start.
Though I toil anew, shadows to pursue,
Shadows vain, thou'lt remain within my heart.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 04:39 AM

Thanks, Theresa


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 04:45 AM

I remembered the first verse from school, and the 2nd part comes back to me now.
I'm wondering about 'bodingley? Pretty sure we didn't sing that, and what does it mean?

Also, we sang:
Here with loyalty every heart can dwell -
because it wasn't fitting for schoolchildren to sing about breasts??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 08:31 AM

It'll be 'Teardrops forbodingly'...which considering the fate of the Manchester Regiment would hardly be surprising!


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Subject: Tune Add: FAREWELL, MANCHESTER / FELTON'S GAVOTTE
From: masato sakurai
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 09:22 AM

The tune:

X:1
T:FAREWELL, MANCHESTER
T:(FELTON'S GAVOTTE)
M:2/4
L:1/8
S:The National Song Book (Boosey & Co., 1906, p. 39)
K:Eb
G2F2|E AG2|F E D E|(G2F2)|G2F2|E AG2|F B B =A|B4|
B2A2|G ec2|B2 A2|G ec2|B EA2|G D E A|(G2F>E)|HE4||

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 09:41 AM

Might as well mention at this point that I've just recorded, with Bernard, a batch of my self-penned material, one song being 'Three Hundred Men of Lancashire' which deals with the story of the ill-fated Manchester Regiment. Hopefully this should be out on CD format when we've finished tinkering with it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Bernard
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 02:16 PM

Thanks for the words, TT! I'd found some of them on the Folk North West website, but incomplete.

Thanks for the ABC of the tune, Masato - I'm sure people reading this thread will want a tune to go with the words, though I don't need it myself!

Now then... Masato mentioned the National Song Book, which I remember we had at school (probably you did, too, Noreen?) - anyone got a spare copy?

As for Harry's CD, they will be on sale direct from Harry in a couple of weeks or so (and I'll be selling bootleg copies half price!).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 03:38 PM

Before my time, Bernard dear!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 08 Jun 03 - 04:15 PM

It's bodingly in both the NNSB and Appleby/Fowler. A perfectly good word; though nowadays we'd say forebodingly, perhaps.

According to Chappell, the Rev Felton was prebendary of Hereford; the tune began life as part of one of his concertos, and was afterwards published, with variations, as Felton's Gavot. 1728 is too early a date; Felton was only about 13 at that time. Generally thought to be 1740 or later. The story about the tune being played when the rebels left Manchester, and another that it was played at the execution in Manchester of Jemmy Dawson in 1746, are from Chappell. He may have had evidence, but according to Kidson none survives.

Several songs have been set to it. A song called Farewell Manchester: A song made on the Peace appeared around 1748, but doesn't seem actually to have mentioned Manchester; Chappell thought the original song of that name to be lost. Oxenford's new words to the tune appeared as "Prince Charles Stuart's farewell to Manchester in 1745. Old English air with symphony & accompaniment by G. A. Macfarren. (New words upon the old subject by J. Oxenford.)" The British Library copy is dated 1883, but original publication may have been a bit earlier, as Oxenford's dates are 1812-1877.

William Chappell, Popular Music of the Olden Time, 1859, pp. 682-3.

Frank Kidson, entry in Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians: Farewell Manchester.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 09 Jun 03 - 02:03 PM

Come on, Noreen...we all sang from the same songsheet....:0)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Bernard
Date: 09 Jun 03 - 02:58 PM

I got the date here... 13 isn't particularly young to write a simple tune... though he would have been 15 by my reckoning...

Sorry, Noreen... forgot you are only 21!!! ;^))


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Jun 03 - 09:00 PM

I know where you got the date; it's one of the things I looked at before posting. As I said, it's generally considered to be c.1740, and Felton's date of birth is given as 1715, rather than 1713, in standard references.

For more on William Shenstone's ballad of Jemmy Dawson, see Jemmy Dawson


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: GUEST,Steve Pearson
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 02:16 PM

When I was at school in the 50s we sang a second verse which began "Farewell Lancashire" but I cnnot remember any more, sorry!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 01:18 PM

Anyone know the Regimental song of the Manchester Regiment about 1956 and the regimental march , my father has passed on and I was unable to discover this for his funeral

bobatarcadia@yahoo.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: GUEST,Frieda Curnow
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 12:48 PM

Hi, have just come across your name when looking for words to 'Farewell Manchester'. Interested to know if you did make the CD relating to the Manchester Regiment as one of my ancestors was part of this group and later executed at Carlisle Castle in 1756 and, if so is 'Farewell Manchester' included amongst the songs and where might I be able to purchase it?

Thank you.
Frieda H Curnow.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: johnadams
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 12:58 PM

Frieda Curnow.


Look here for the CD with 'Three Hundred Lancashire Men' on it.

http://www.pc-chap.fsnet.co.uk/dowp.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester
From: Bernard
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:17 AM

Sorry, Frieda, but Harry's CD did not include 'Farewell Manchester'. All the songs were written by him.

I wanted the complete words because the Earl of Stamford Morris dance Lichfield 'Ring o'Bells' to the tune - watch video... I'm Chief Musician, and can be seen in the video playing accordion - and rotating at the end!

As for Harry, he and his family disappeared mysteriously not long after the CD was completed, and hasn't yet paid me for my time and trouble... nothing sinister, they just decided they didn't want to be btohered with anyone. His last visit to the Open Door Folk Club (at the Star Inn, Failsworth at the time) was on his 50th birthday.

I will happily sell anyone a copy of the CD for £7.50 GBP including postage, PM me with your details or Google bernard cromarty and email me via my website. As I did the original duplication, it's easy enough for me to make them to order.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 07:31 PM

Thank you for getting back to me. Yes I would like to buy your CD so if you would give me a return address I will get a cheque to you asap.

Kind Regards,

Frieda Curnow.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 07:39 PM

Dear John Adams,

Thank you for getting back to me re '300 Lancashire Men' and 'Farewell Manchester'. Much appreciated. Frieda Curnow


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST,Guest - Phillip
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 09:37 PM

We also used to sing "Here with loyalty every heart can dwell " at school, late 1940's early 1950's".

I also feel sure that we sang, "Here with strength anew, shadows to pursue",

Our music teacher had purportedly come from working at the BBC and was the wife of the (then new) headmaster.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 09:48 AM

Did Harry turn up again, Bernard?

(Hi Harry- hope you're ok.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 01:11 PM

whats the the story behind song
Leonard


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: OlgaJ
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 02:00 PM

Wow. I remember singing this at primary school in Singing Together (can't remember what day of the week it was but we had a radio (I think they called it a wireless back then)the size of a contemporary built- in cooker that they wheeled in and out of the classroom. Must be getting old as the nostalgia thing is setting in!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 07:52 PM

Jean

I remember this song from September 1939 a week or so after war broke out (Sep 3). Manchester children were evacuated to surrunding country areas, labeled with our names. We sang "Farewell Manchester" as we were marching to the railway station. I cannot remember that time without tears.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Farewell Manchester (John Oxenford)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 01:43 PM

thank u


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