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Tune Add: In Flanders Fields

Barry T 20 Jun 03 - 01:43 AM
Joe Offer 20 Jun 03 - 01:57 AM
GUEST,keith A o Hertford 20 Jun 03 - 03:22 AM
MMario 20 Jun 03 - 08:08 AM
masato sakurai 20 Jun 03 - 09:24 AM
MMario 20 Jun 03 - 09:56 AM
GUEST,Mingulay 20 Jun 03 - 11:38 AM
Keith A of Hertford 20 Jun 03 - 01:03 PM
Stewart 20 Jun 03 - 01:40 PM
TheBigPinkLad 20 Jun 03 - 01:47 PM
Joe Offer 20 Jun 03 - 02:23 PM
Liz the Squeak 21 Jun 03 - 03:13 AM
Barry T 27 Jul 03 - 12:42 AM
GUEST,Q 28 Jul 03 - 12:39 AM
Wilfried Schaum 28 Jul 03 - 03:00 AM
Barry T 16 Sep 10 - 05:59 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 16 Sep 10 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,NELLL IN CANADA 23 Feb 12 - 03:39 PM
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Subject: In Flanders Fields
From: Barry T
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:43 AM

For some time I have been searching unsuccessfully for a musical setting for John McCrae's moving poem to include on my Canadian Tunebook website. Though I found reference to over half a dozen distinct musical works, none are in the Public Domain so I was unable to publish them to my site.

Still inspired, I decided to take a shot at creating one myself. The results are here... http://members.shaw.ca/tunebook/flanders.htm.

I'd like to share the melody in abc and graphic format, but I'm struggling with the notation. (I do most of my midi-making by ear.) I need someone classically trained to assist. I *think* the melody is in 6/4 time with one line... "Scarce heard mid guns below"... in 5/4 time. Am I getting warm? As for the slow ending I'm not sure what I've invoked there. Help!

If you need to download the midi in order to help decipher it, click here.

For what it's worth, I'm consigning this tune to the Public Domain, so once I've conquered the notation I'll be back to share it as a 'Tune Add'.

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Subject: DTADD: In Flanders Fields (John McRae)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:57 AM

I like the tune, Barry. The lyrics have been posted in part in other places, but I thought I'd post them here.
-Joe Offer-

In Flanders Fields
(John McRae)

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you, from failing hands, we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

Lieutenant-Colonel John McRae (1915)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: GUEST,keith A o Hertford
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 03:22 AM

McRae died of wounds in France.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: MMario
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 08:08 AM

Barry - wish I could help - but I am hopeless when it comes to that sort of thing!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: masato sakurai
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 09:24 AM

Two compositions are at Levy:
Title: In Flanders Fields The Poppies Grow. Song With Piano Accompaniment.
Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: Words by Lieut. Col. John McCrae. Composed by Lieut. John Philip Sousa.
John Philip Sousa Publication: New York: G. Schirmer, 1918.

Title: In Flanders Fields.
Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: By Lieut. Col. John McCrae. Set to Music for Voice and Piano by Susan Weare Hubbard.
Susan Weare Hubbard Publication: Chicago: Clayton F. Summy Co., 64 E. Van Buren St., 1917.
"In Flanders Fields the Poppies Grow" (Performer: Joseph Phillips, baritone with orchestra; composed by John Philip Sousa) is at The Virtual Gramophone.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: MMario
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 09:56 AM

The two at Levy would be in Public domain at this point.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 11:38 AM

John McCrae died in Belgium. There is a monument to him at Essex
Farm cemetery near Ieper (Ypres). A group of us visit on a more
or less annual basis (The Flanders Experience) combined with a stay
at Talbot House in Poperinge (home of Toc-H) where we have a good
time (thank you Belgian brewers) and a mighty sing.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:03 PM

Well corrected Ming.
Keith.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Stewart
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:40 PM

Barry, it's a nice tune. But it doesn't scan quite right, at least the way I hear it. Here's an updated nwc file HERE.   
I've kept the time signature as 6/4 but added a 4/4 measure at certain points ("-mid the guns be-" and "throw the torch"). See what you think. Maybe it needs some more fiddling with.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:47 PM

Barry, my missus was set the task of putting Flander's Field to music when she was at University -- along with all the other class members. I'll see if she can post her rendition (it's quite moving) and perhaps she knows of some of her classmate's renditions.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 02:23 PM

If you'd like a tune posted at Mudcat, e-mail it ot me or send me an URL where I can download it. BigPinkLad, I'd like to hear your wife's tune.
Thanks.
--Joe Offer (click to e-mail)-


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 03:13 AM

Todays useless information:

Canadian doctor John McCrae wrote the poem allegedly on the back step of an amublance after the funeral of his friend Alexis Helmer, on 2nd May, 1915 in Ypres. Other reports say he was writing it as he tended the wounded, both are equally likely. The poem was first published anonymously in Punch Magazine, December 1915, but the response was so great that McCrae's identity was soon revealed. The poem inspired and lines were used in many posters to boost the various war efforts, and such was its popularity that the poppy was soon adopted as the symbol for the war dead. When demand became so great, the British and American Legions realised there could be a way to help the war widows and orphans, and they were given employment making 'Flanders' poppies', a job that extended to the wounded and maimed when they returned to England and were unsuitable for many other forms of employment. Poppies are still hand made by veterans and volunteers today.

Interesting that you go to Belgium to honour him and that he has a memorial at Essex Farm (most likely because that's where his dressing station was), because the history states that he was buried with full military honours in Wimereux, France after his death from pneumonia and meningitis on 28th January 1918, a week after his appointment as Consulting Physician to the British Army in France. Details are on the Commonweath War Graves Commission site, http://www.cwgc.org - I tried to make a blicky that worked but failed, sorry.

McCrae put down in 15 lines, more than any other war poet could ever say about the honour of serving, the glory of fighting and the sheer horror, filth and despair of living and dying for your country. Dulce Et Decorum est, pro patria mori?

LTS


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Barry T
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 12:42 AM

I finally got around to finishing the notation for my midi sequence.

Here's the abc version...

T:In Flanders Fields
M:6/4
L:1/4
Q:70
C:Barry Taylor 2003
S:Music consigned to the Public Domain
R:Air
O:Poem by John McCrae 1872-1918
K:C
[| Gcd | "C"e3 dcA | "Am"A3 Ade | "Dm"f2 e2 dc | "G7"B3 Gef |!
"Em"g3 fed | "Am"c3 ccA | "Dm"f2 e2 dc | "G7"B3 BBA |\
M:3/4 A M:6/4 "C"c3-c3- | c2z Gcd | "C"e3 dcA | "Am"A3 Ade | "Dm"f2 e2 dc |!
"G7"B3 Gef | "Em"g3 fed | "Am"c3 ccc | "Dm"d3- d3- | "G7"d2z |!
Gcd | "C"e3 dcA | "Am"A3 Ade | "Dm"f2 e2 dc | "G7"B3 Gef |!
"Em"g3 fed | "Am"c3 ccA | "Dm"f2 e2 dc | "G7"B3 AAB |!
M:4/4 "C"c4- | "F"c AAB | "C"c4- | "F"c AAB |!
"C" c4- | c4- | c z3 | z4 |]
% ABC2Win Version 2.1 7/26/2003

...and here's the notation and lyrics in gif format...
http://members.shaw.ca/tunebook/flanders_notation.htm

Thank you Stewart for pointing me in the right direction for notating the quirky parts. I think next time I'll stick to something a little less 'creative' in the time signature department! 8-)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:39 AM

The poppies "grow' three times at the beginning of the Sousa composition on Virtual Gramophone; row on row is repeated twice. Melody is terrible. A travesty of the poem.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 03:00 AM

Barry T - congratulations. A fine tune indeed. While the other tunes are too theatralic and apt only for the fat lady in the concert hall, yours is in the slow trot of Poor Bloody Infantry, the 6/4 (can you do something about the only 3/4 part?)
So many folksongs of Germany in 3/4 have changed to 6/4, including some changes in the original tune, to sing them during the march, and some of them are sad, indeed. We sang them coming home at the end of a hard day. So first hearing your tune I remembered those days and their singing. Your tune is real precious folk.
Guest Q - how right you are; the other lady's composition isn't better. Barry shew us that the most simple - as requested by the poem - is always the best.

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Barry T
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 05:59 PM

I'm proud to introduce a more refined version of the melody I introduced back in 2003.

Last year Matt Ackroyd, a teacher from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, notified me that he had found my original version, written four-part harmony for it and performed it at a Remembrance Day ceremony. I was so impressed with his arrangement, I was desperate to share it. With Matt's concurrence, I called on the assistance of Denis Khvatov, a personal friend from Richmond, British Columbia, and a highly educated music teacher. Our team of three collaborated for over a month tweaking the score to this, its final state.

In Flanders Fields MP3

Download arrangement for SATB Choir

As with the earlier version, we chose to consign the music to the Public Domain so people would feel free to download and use it without fear of copyright infringement.

'Hope you enjoy it!

Barry T
Sooke, British Columbia, Canada


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 06:49 PM

Thanks Barry!
This is not the only piece of Remembrance music that Barry has consigned to the public domain either. His song about The Unknown Soldier is a favourite of mine! Great stuff!

The Return Of The Unknown Soldier


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: GUEST,NELLL IN CANADA
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 03:39 PM

Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields From: GUEST,Mingulay Date: 20 Jun 03 - 11:38 AM -- re: "John McCrae died in Belgium".
No, Alexis Helmer of Ottawa was KIA there, and that particular death and burial inspired the 1915 poem. The grave was fought over subsequently so his name ia only inscribed with many others on the Menin Gate Memorial.
Dr. McCrae of Guelph died in France in hospital, of pneumonia 1918 January 28. He is buried in the CWGC Canadian cemetery at Wimereux with a grave marker.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: In Flanders Fields
From: Barry T
Date: 11 Nov 13 - 11:49 PM

I've been waiting years for a choir to find my musical setting of John McCrae's famous poem and to record it for YouTube. It finally happened.

In Flanders Fields for SATB Choir

Thanks to Matt Ackroyd, who wrote the four part harmony for choir, and to Denis Khvatov, who polished the arrangement and published the notation.

In 2003, in the early stages of this thread, Stewart correctly suggested that the phrasing for 'scarce heard the guns below' needed work. Denis also solved that little challenge. The final product is now something we three are proud to share.

Barry
Sooke, British Columbia
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