PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri

Subject: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: Hovering Bob
Date: 09 Jul 03 - 04:47 AM

BBC Radio 4's 'Law in Action' programme this coming Friday at 4pm should include a section on the Licensing Law debate. As background, the programme producer visited Herga Folk club and recorded interviews with club members and some of the clubs 'Open Evening' entertainment. How much, if any, of what was recorded will be broadcast remains to be seen. We just hope that what we said makes sense and gets the point across. Hopefully some of the famous Herga chorus singing will make it onto the airways.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 03 - 05:24 AM

They talked to me on the phone about my participating but I have heard nothing further

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: GUEST,The Admiral
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 03:05 AM

Well, it's about time R4 woke up, albiet too late! It'll be interesting to have their angle on it.....

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: The Barden of England
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 04:09 AM

Seeing as the Bill was rubber stamped last night, what use is it going to be. Our only, and in truth very vain hope, is that the Government will notice that the take up of PEL's has not increased as they thought it would, and they will then re-visit and re-assess. How many Governments in the past have promised that? Income Tax was brought in as a stop-gap measure, and that was going to be re-visited. Why oh why do they continually lie to us? Because they can and believe we are totally gullible - what's more we are. Who the hell can we vote for next time - sorry but I remember Thatcher, and Major. Now I'm forced to put Blair in with them too. What brave new world?

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 04:44 AM

Hear hear John. Thread drift now follows

Con (aptly named) servatives - right out.

New (equals "not") labour - just did this to us, and are even less prepared to listen to reason than the cons. Also Cliffe Airport and lied us into war, introducing compulsory identity cards and dismantling the welfare state.

Lib Dem (aka "Don't know") - sold us down the river in the house of Lords.

That leaves Green, Socialist Labour (Scargill) or Socialist Worker (Hampstead trendy - Vanessa Redgrave), NF or BNP (interchangeable nazi).

Not a pretty choice, particularly since if we all withdraw support for President Blair (although perhaps, just perhaps, he is going to savage his poodlemaster over Coh-lin Powell's show trials in Guantanamo Bay) we let IDS and the conservative loony right back in.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: GUEST,T-boy
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 12:24 PM

You've failed to mention the one party which would help you. Eschewing control-freakery (Socialism), big mega-national corporative business (Capitalism) and all neo-faddism (Liberals, Greens etc.) and with the added benefit of seeking to get us out of Europe, ladies and gentlemen I give you ... the United Kingdom Independence Party.

So, when are you all going to wake up and learn the lesson ?

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 12:30 PM

Did the UKIP save its deposit anywhere in the last election?

Has it any council members anywhere?

Just asking....

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 07:34 AM

'We won't get fooled again'

Sadly we always appear to be...........

Does anyone know if the Licensing item will be featured today?

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 11:15 AM

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 11:29 AM

It was featured but I only caught the very end and the word Herga....

There is a 'listen again' feature but I don't think that they have the current edition on it yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/lawinaction/index.shtml

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 11:31 AM

From the website.

The Licensing Act that finally made it onto the statute books this Thursday has been the object of a great deal of concern from musicians, other live performers and their supporters.

The Act consolidates and modifies many different aspects of licensing law, but the parts that have caused most anxiety are those covering the licensing of entertainment.

Samantha McAlister reports from a folk club in North London full of fans worried that their sessions will have to stop, and Marcel Berlins asks licensing expert Elizabeth Southorn of Richards Butler solicitors to sift the myths from the facts.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 01:22 PM

You can listen to the latest edition of the show (Real Audio) at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/ram/fri1602.ram

Sad that it followed an item on the recent Human Rights court findings re airport noise - but strangely made no mention of the Human Rights aspects of the Licensing Bill.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: Leadfingers
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 02:33 PM

Basically they are going to stop ALL music except in places where the
Publican or more likely Brewery can make a lot of money by packing the
place with lager and alchopop drinking free spenders.They will do this by having lowest common denominator music and that does NOT mean
any kind of Folk.Interesting that the 200 capacity exemption includes
the pub Garden,NOT just the room where the music is,or so I understand what was said at the end of the piece.And this was supposed to do away with the idiocy of the two in a bar rule.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 07:34 PM

The article is at 16:48 - 22:35 of the program link above. Only two real points made: 1) Elizabeth Southorn thought the government estimated fee of £100 - £500 for PEL was probably a severe underestimate of the likely costs and that that would likely have a significant effect on takeup of PEL; 2) the under-200 exemption (as mentioned by Leadfingers above) seems to have more people included in that count than you might expect.


Mick

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 07:43 PM

"£100 - £500 " is it now? Earlier Kim Howells had been talking about a figure of £100-150. But then we know what his word is worth.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 07:51 PM

Well I've listened and I am appalled in part.

The woman is right that licensing will be an expensive disaster, but she is wrong, wrong, wrong about "Spontaneous" music.

I think I know how Theodore Goddard's email addresses are constructed, and when the text of the act is available I will write to her.

Subject: RE: PEL, BBC Radio 4 'Law in Action' on Fri
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 08:50 PM

Vanessa Redgrave.. Hampstead trendy ...Socialist Worker..

A small point and way off topic anyway (as was the post I am nitpicking at) but Vanessa Redgrave is known for her Workers' Revolutionary Party affiliation and she lives, moreover, in Chiswick.