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New Folk Programme in Manchester 2

Mark Dowding 31 Jul 03 - 07:56 PM
VIN 01 Aug 03 - 03:36 AM
Mark Dowding 01 Aug 03 - 04:48 AM
VIN 01 Aug 03 - 05:10 AM
VIN 01 Aug 03 - 05:14 AM
Alio 04 Aug 03 - 06:08 AM
Mark Dowding 05 Aug 03 - 04:47 AM
Alio 05 Aug 03 - 04:53 AM
songs2play 05 Aug 03 - 06:09 AM
Alio 05 Aug 03 - 06:50 AM
VIN 05 Aug 03 - 07:20 AM
Alio 05 Aug 03 - 07:59 AM
Harry Basnett 05 Aug 03 - 02:04 PM
Mark Dowding 05 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM
Alio 07 Aug 03 - 11:53 AM
Harry Basnett 07 Aug 03 - 08:08 PM
Mark Dowding 11 Aug 03 - 03:44 AM
Alio 11 Aug 03 - 06:39 AM
VIN 11 Aug 03 - 06:44 AM
songs2play 11 Aug 03 - 06:55 AM
songs2play 11 Aug 03 - 10:33 AM
VIN 11 Aug 03 - 11:38 AM
Harry Basnett 11 Aug 03 - 02:23 PM
GUEST,PaulG 12 Aug 03 - 07:18 AM
VIN 12 Aug 03 - 07:39 AM
songs2play 12 Aug 03 - 09:59 AM
Mark Dowding 12 Aug 03 - 10:28 AM
Harry Basnett 12 Aug 03 - 03:07 PM
Harry Basnett 12 Aug 03 - 03:13 PM
Bernard 12 Aug 03 - 07:58 PM
Watson 13 Aug 03 - 10:47 AM
Bernard 13 Aug 03 - 11:16 AM
Watson 13 Aug 03 - 11:32 AM
Alio 13 Aug 03 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,PaulG 14 Aug 03 - 07:22 AM
VIN 14 Aug 03 - 08:00 AM
Alio 14 Aug 03 - 10:15 AM
Mark Dowding 14 Aug 03 - 11:30 AM
Bernard 14 Aug 03 - 11:45 AM
Harry Basnett 14 Aug 03 - 01:53 PM
Mark Dowding 14 Aug 03 - 03:06 PM
Alio 15 Aug 03 - 06:46 AM
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VIN 15 Aug 03 - 10:02 AM
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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 07:56 PM

How old do you think I am Vin?
Harry - I think I'll be calling on you for some help here and I think we might be getting Bob Wood in on the act as well!!
Seriously though Vin - do you have any of these tracks on record and do you have the facilities to transfer them to CD or at least to a cassette of good quality that you can send me. The studio does have a turntable that Ali could use (I think) so things don't have to be on CD (I bet Ali's turning white reading this!!!)
Ali - is it OK for you to use vinyl to broadcast from or does it have to be CD?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 03:36 AM

Ow do young Mark! I don't have a facility to get tracks onto large cd but i could get quite at lot onto minidisc if that's any use and maybe cassette (but i think minidisc would be easier for me at the mo). If that's of use, let me know where to send the disc and i'll do me best.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 04:48 AM

Hi Vin

I've PM'd you with my address to send a minidisc to. Can't guarantee that Ali will play all or any of them but it gives her more scope for the future especially as you're going to ask her if she would play the odd track as a request.

Cheers

"Young - ish" Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 05:10 AM

Mark i'm having probs opening the PM, never had one before so p'raps i'm doin something wrong. i've clicked on your name in my message notification page but it throws up a reply thread page. P'raps i should ask max or jeff on help or have you any clues.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 05:14 AM

S'ok, S'ok...i've sorted it mark, gettin the 'ang of it, wot my like! I'll send you the disc as soon as i can. Hope Ali can use it at some point.
Cheers


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 06:08 AM

I'd like to see Mike tonight, but unfortunately I'm off down to London for a 1 hour meeting, so won't be back in Manchester till after 10.00p.m..!!!

You're right Peter - I need to get myself some more CD's of new, young artists. I do buy a lot of CD's but generally they tend to be those of artists I particularly enjoy. I have played quite a bit of new stuff though over the weeks eg Mat Walklate, Dulaman, One Hand Clapping, Barflies etc.. I do want folk to send in their material to me, and I've made a committment to play some tracks, regardless of my own personal views.

Mark, my hair's going lighter as we speak!! And as to your question, I've no idea, but I can easily find out. Thanks for all your help you two!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:47 AM

All music tonight on the show - 7-00 till 8-00pm - no guests to talk to. Ali's catching up on all the CDs she's been sent in so far!

Don't forget that next week the show moves to its new regular day and time of Monday, 8-00 to 9-00pm

BBC GMR 95.1 and 104.6 FM; email ali.obrien@bbc.co.uk ; phone 0161 228 2255 after the show.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:53 AM

Ive got to see if I can beat Les Bond's record - apparently the week before last he managed to get 14 tracks in to the hour - God knows how!! He must have chosen the shortest ones he could find!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 06:09 AM

I don't know if that's a record to beat Ali, I thoroughly enjoy the chats between the music.
I'll be listening tonight, as usual.
Leighton


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 06:50 AM

Thanks songs2play - I think the chat bit is important too; its also fairer to the artists, who are trying to sell some of their CD's. But I also think it's important not to have too much of me! I know I can "rabbit" on for England!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:20 AM

Lookin forward to t'nights all music show. I also reckon chatting with guest performers, club organisers & others on the folk/contempory scene is important aswell. I think the current balance of music, chat & diary dates (also important) seems ok to me, so onwards ali (if u get tired of rabbiting ali - you could always gi us a song!).

P.s. to Mark D.....still compiling that mini-disc for you.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:59 AM

Ex teachers NEVER get tired of rabbiting Viv!

Off to GMR early today - they only told me last week about the logging I have to do! It took me all weekend! Good job I've been keeping a record each week.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 02:04 PM

The all music shows are great once in a while but as Vin says, the chat is important..

Les and Jan are doing a great job with the Drift these days...last week was fun tryin to get the OD venue change details right...mind you the club did get three mentions because of it...in the end Ken taped me giving the info. and played it on air - - without my knowledge, I might add - - - !!!

All the best.......Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM

Hey Harry - you thought you had problems - Ken and Angie Bladen were rushing round West Lancashire villages last night trying to find a new venue for their folk club to host the Poms from Oz tonight (Wednesday) seeing as the current venue had "thrown them out" (the landlady's words!). I gave them a number to ring Ali on before she went on air (about fifteen minutes before by all accounts) to tell her and thankfully Ali was able to give the new venue out on the diary dates. Just to clarify - the Eagle and Child no longer want the club for whatever reason and it will now be held at the Mawdesleys Eating House which is a mile down the road from the Eagle in the village of Mawdesley near Parbold in Lancashire. Ring Ken or Angie on 01257 263678 for further details (Sorry if this is thread jumping but I need to get this information around quickly - hope you don't mind Ali)

Enjoyed all the music tonight - didn't count all the tracks that were played but I don't think it made the dozen so Les Bond's record is safe for another week!

Vin - I'll look forward to getting it whenever.

Cheers

Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 11:53 AM

No, I think I managed to get either 9 or 10 in, but I've just pre-recorded the show for Whitby week, and I got 11 in! Either I'm talking faster or saying less!!
I've managed to get Highie Jones to come on the show at the end of
September!
Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 08:08 PM

Would that be Hughie's spliff-smoking brother......?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:44 AM

Don't forget that Sounds of Folk is on TONIGHT (Monday) between 8-00 and 9-00 in its new regular spot. Ali - hope you've not forgotten - don't go in tomorrow or you'll be at blows with Jimmy Wagg doing the midweek football programme!
Please keep writing in and emailing the powers that be with your favourable comments about the show. We don't want them to pull the show because they think nobody listens.

Sounds of Folk - 8-00 to 9-00pm - BBC GMR - 95.1 and 104.6 FM
Tel 0161 228 2255 after the show
Email ali.obrien@bbc.co.uk

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:39 AM

God knows how I'm going to get through the show tonight! I took my daughter in to hospital at 2.00a.m. and she had the baby just before 8o'clock!! It's a little boy - Connor! And I'm now looking after his older brother, who's 4, all day! I've had no sleep since Saturday night, so please pretend not to notice any errors!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:44 AM

Congratulations to you and your daughter Ali! Am sure any loud yawns t'night will be forgiven.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:55 AM

Congratulations Ali, And best wishes to ALL the Family.
I'll be listening tonight.
Leighton (www.wiganfolkclub.co.uk)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 10:33 AM

Ali,
Will you ever be doing any outside broadcasts from Festivals or Folk Clubs ?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 11:38 AM

Unfortunately, i'll miss the programme to-night (and my recording facilities are abysmal at the mo) so good luck with the new day & time slot ali & all


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:23 PM

Congratulations all round, Ali and good luck with the new time slot....

Harry and Sara.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:18 AM

Glad you mentioned this site because I tried to telephone and could not get through to you.Probably more friends and family. I thought this programme could not possibly get any worse but you manage to prove me wrong.

When are you going to give other clubs and music sessions more airtime? I suspect never! Every week its Cross Keys! Saddleworth! Geoff! Friends of mine! Saddleworth! Cross Keys! Then I come on here and find other people you've interviewed are part of your fan club.
I'm glad there's and address for your station because I WILL write in and COMPLAIN! If its not you interviewing ypur husband its your husband interviewing you. Get the pet hamster on next I'm sure it'll be riveting!

I've never come across a programme so self-indulgent and smacking of nepotism!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:39 AM

I think alison (who i don't know personally) does ask people every week to send in their details about events, sessions etc so its up to them. Personally i think your criticism is way over the top. Its a new local programme and Ali is still, i guess, feeling her way, as it were. Give it, and her, time. Enjoy and be thankful we've actually got such a programme!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 09:59 AM

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinions, and it would be a sad day when you couldn't speak your mind without fear of reprisals. So you will not mind me saying that the GMR Folk Programme hosted By Ali, I find, thoroughly enjoyable.
I am not one of Alison's relatives, nor have I met her personally. I have never been to Saddleworth, nor have I ever been to the Cross Keys.
Several, if not more, locations of local Folk singarounds are mentioned during the program, and I personally find the program very informative and entertaining.

You will excuse me if I suggest that you make up your own minds, with regards to the Program. Listen to it - see for yourselves.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 10:28 AM

Guest PaulG - Surely we're all friends on the folk scene? I know for a fact that Ali has a limited amount of time to answer the phone after the show before she has to pack up and vacate the studio and the box of tricks that takes the calls has about a dozen lines on it. Ali doesn't know who's ringing so it's pot luck if she answers before you ring off.
I didn't know Ali until I went on the show to talk about the Four Fools festival and other things but I'd like to think I've been supportive of the show with various emails to the BBC and suggestions to Ali.
Looking back at the guest list over the past 13 weeks, I'd hardly call the choice nepotistic:
Antique Roadshow, Clive Gregson, Joan Blackburn, Jim Schofield, Myself, John Howarth, Rising Sun Band, Eric Bogle, Harry Basnett and Bernard Cromarty, Anthony John Clarke, Geoff O'Brien and two shows with no guest but plenty of music.
Instead of writing in complaining, why don't you write in with suggestions of what to include? Do you run a club or a festival yourself? I'm sure Ali would love to have you on the show to talk about it.
Instead of a show that had a limited life of twelve weeks, thanks to the "fan club" writing in to the BBC with letters of encouragement we now have a show running for an indefinite period - indeed Monday night on GMR is great for people who like "fringe" music, Irish, Folk and Country from 7-00 till 10-00pm. Where else do you get that? It was good to hear the interviews by Alan Keegan in "The Parlour" programme with both Ali and David Spencer who runs the country programme. Hopefully all three programmes will pick up listeners over the coming months.
I hope you'll keep listening to the show and maybe we'll get chance to hear you on it one day.
Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 03:07 PM

I've never been in a fan club in my life!!!

The first thing I want to make clear to PaulG and any other interested parties is that, like Mark, I'd never met Ali before I went on the programme. Thanks to the show I was able to give a decent plug to the club at which I'm a regular- the Open Door- which had just changed location and I was grateful for the chance to publicise the fact. I intended whilst on the show to mention the stirling work done by all folk club abd session organisers but things were a bit hectic that night and the opportunity slipped me by.

Secondly, having just read Mark's list I can, perhaps, see where you might be getting your idea of favouritism from, PaulG - - I think nepotism only refers to relations and I'm pretty sure the only one of those has been Geoff - - John Howarth is a regular at the Keys and Jim runs the club; Eric Bogle was the main guest at Saddleworth. I feel, with all due respect, that you must bear in mind that (as has already been mentioned) Ali is new to this game and to ease herself in has probably felt more comfortable with familiar faces and you can't blame her for plugging Saddleworth Festival for goodness' sake...

Thirdly...many moons ago I put a thread on this nifty little forum expressing my concerns that we had no folk programme on GMR. I contacted Mike Shaft and put his e-mail address on the thread and Ali said she'd get onto him....the result...a folk music programme on GMR. So perhaps you'll see, PaulG, that I'm not on here as a 'Fan Club' member but as someone with an interest in making this programme work.

Give ali and the programme a little more time before undermining the food work already done. Please.

Harry Basnett.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 03:13 PM

Oops....that should have read 'Good work'...


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:58 PM

There's always got to be someone with a misguided strong opinion - the folk world is riddled with 'em! ;^))

Ali is doing a great job of raising the level of awareness in the local folk scene. Sure, she has had people on the show who are her close friends - but that's really because she is the kind of person who has lots of close friends. I suppose PaulG's remark is really a backhanded compliment about Ali's popularity!!

Surely you must have realised that, until this week, Ali's programme was experimental and with an indefinite future, and those of us here on Mudcat were doing our utmost to protect what we consider to be a serious attempt to redress the balance back towards mainstream folk music, which is a 'Cinderella' subject on local and national radio in this country - in much the way as Morris is openly ridiculed instead of supported. National pride? Naah... let's knock it instead...

Harry and I were invited on the show not as Ali's friends, but to publicise our club (the Open Door) which was needing a boost to keep it afloat, particularly as we'd decided to change venue. If such criticism had any foundation, surely Ali wouldn't dream of associating herself publicly with a club that was almost on the point of closing? There are many other 'fashionable' clubs to associate with!!

The only reason why the Ali's guest lists keep mentioning a few clubs is simple...

IT'S SUMMER, AND NO BUGGER ELSE IS BOOKING GUESTS!!     SILLY TWIT!!

Some people only hear what they want to hear...

As for 'Then I come on here and find other people you've interviewed are part of your fan club.' - well, you obviously have missed the point in a very big way.

Many of the people posting to this thread do not know Ali personally - she is simply acting as a mouthpiece for the needs of the folk community in the Manchester area, for which we are all grateful.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions, and nobody is forcing anybody to listen to Ali's programme. If you must criticise, at least offer a sensible alternative!! Most of us are delighted with what Ali has achieved in such a short time!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 10:47 AM

No bugger else is booking guests, Bernard?
What, not even Northwich Folk Club?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:16 AM

Aaahh... but Ali mentioned that one on Monday, so in the context of the complaint...!! Erm... I wonder who the guest is...?! Hee hee!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:32 AM

I'm sorry we can't pick up GMR in our neck of the woods, so that was a lucky guess from me!
I heard about it on Genevieve's programme on Sunday night.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:57 AM

Songs2play - not sure really. I'd really love to do outside broadcasts, and now I'm more established they may give me the go ahead. They'll have to do something anyway - in September I've got Damhse coming in, and there are 10 of them!!

Paul, sorry you don't like the programme - I try to make it friendly for listeners, but you obviously don't like that. So far I've only had positive feedback, but Mike Shaft did warn me that there would be plenty who were negative as well, so that's something I would have to learn to live with.
As other people have said, I do ask each week for information re clubs / festivals / organisers / performers etc., and I ALWAYS give out information which is sent to me. Do ask club organisers if you don't believe me!
Future guests include Bernard Wrigley, Shona Kipling and Damian O'Keefe, Damhsa, Strawhead, Nick Caffrey and Lancashire Voices - is that diverse enogh?
As for Geoff, lots of other shows have several presenters - The Parlour has 5!!! Why can't I have someone there as support? On Monday I needed help as I really felt so knackered - Geoff and Kat were great! If you really have any practical advice, instead of getting really personal, perhaops you couald give me a call? I do get several positive calls after the show, so you may have to wait a little, but I will be there. (Although not on Monday of course as it's Whitby folk week - as I go to around 14 festivals per year and lead one, I do feel fairly knowledgeable about what poeple will like, but I can't always get it right!)

Thanks everyone else for your support. It did upset me reading it, but I'm a big girl (back to Weight watchers in September) and I have to take the bad with the good.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 07:22 AM

SONGS2PLAY.
VIN.
MARK.
HARRY.

At least you seemed to understand something of what I was saying whether you agrred with me or not! I respect your opinions and think SONGS2PLAY makes a good point about going to folk clubs but this should also include music sessions. Perhaps I have been too hasty in judging this programme and I will see how it develops.

BERNARD.

You obviously paid no attentiom to anything I wrote and calling me a SILLY TWIT is hardly likely to get me on your side. I never complained about Diary Dates and nobody I know has complained about Diary Dates. I DID complain about too many references to Saddleworth "Gods Own Country" as it keeps getting called and to the Cross Keys being talked about all the time. Its not just me whose noticed this. Insulting me will get you nowhere you obviously have no ability to put your point of viw forwards in an intelligent manner.

ALI. I am sorry if I upset you and perhaps I went over the top but as I said I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO FEELS LIKE THIS. I will carry on listening to your show and see what happens. I think you should take BERNARD and teach him to read.

Its no good asking for opinions and not listening.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 08:00 AM

Hi Paul G,

Glad you're goin to carry on listening, i'm sure you'll eventually get more good vibes from the programme than bad. As for 'gods own country', i think this is always said with the proverbial tongue-in-cheek (certainly by Lancy folk!). Somtimes it's bin referred to as 'Saddlewet' for good reason.

There's lots of debate goes on about folk music presentation and definition i.e. clubs v sessions, trad v contempory, cliquishnes etc but sometimes its healthy to take a step back and just enjoy the music/song and dance!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 10:15 AM

There is always a debate about Saddleworth, its' position, weather etc., and we do have to take a lot of stick from people. I'm personally proud of where it is! I take your point about mentioning it each week, but the information is given to me about the clubs there. I pass on info to my listeners about any club I receive details on - some do get a mention each week, but it's just that those club organisers are proactive in sending me the info, often via email. I've been told off for not mentioning a club in the Tameside area, but as yet no-one has told me where / when it is! Bernard's right though - there are far less clubs operating at the moment.

If you'd like to listen to the show a week on Monday you'll hear loads of artists who are not well known - I'll be playing just CD's which have been sent in to me. No nepotism there, hopefully!!

Please keep listening and let me know what you think,
Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 11:30 AM

It would be great to hear some live recordings (if that's not a contradiction of terms) from clubs and music sessions. You can't beat a room full of people singing a rousing chorus or a few sets of 90 mile-an-hour tunes which is something that you wouldn't get live in the studio. I've got loads of tapes of club nights from the eighties that are good to listen to - you couldn't broadcast the whole night obviously but edited highlights would trim it down to something more listenable to. (If you want to listen to a whole night then go to a folk club or session). Who remembers the offshoot of Folk on Friday where Jim Lloyd et al would descend on a folk club, record the night and play an edited hour on a Sunday. (I've got a copy of the first one of those - it was a concert rather than a club night with The Taverners, Pendle Folk and Harry Boardman - great to listen to). I think the Folk on 2 crew also used to have artists do concerts at the BBC in front of an audience and record those for future broadcasting. I've got one with Gary and Vera Aspey on tape somewhere. Don't know what sort of recording equipment you'd need these days to do club recordings with, but I think Les Bond takes a professional mini-disc recorder and microphone with him for interviews and snatches of songs. Food for thought there Ali? (I think she's fainted).

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 11:45 AM

PaulG - be fair! It isn't clear from your original post exactly what you are complaining about! If you read it carefully (I did, honest!), you will notice that you neither mention nor exclude diary dates, so is it any wonder that people (not just me) misunderstood what you wrote?!

When you word a complaint in an insulting manner, you must be prepared to accept that insults will be reciprocated... albeit tongue-in-cheek!! ;^))

Still, it's good to know you are more open minded than you first gave us to believe; I'm glad you will continue to listen and give Ali the fair hearing she deserves.

As Mark so rightly said: 'Surely we're all friends on the folk scene?'


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 01:53 PM

Sounds terrific, Mark! I love hearing some of the new stuff but it'd be great to hear some of the older artists and their matwrial again. the really good thing about the programme going out regularly and (hopefully) with its future secured is the scope now available to try out different ideas.

Glad you've decided to give us more time, Paul...

All the Best..........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:06 PM

Hi Harry
Wasn't really thinking of using my old recordings - not broadcast quality to be honest (I'll do you copy of one) - but if Ali gets the go ahead to go into clubs and make decent quality recordings then it will bring out the atmosphere of a club environment over the airwaves.
Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 06:46 AM

I'm trying to get hold of Mike Shaft now to ask about the possibilities of any live recordings - watch this space!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 07:15 AM

BERNARD. If your basis for insults works around what people "neither mention nor exclude" then you must be busy insulting people on a regular basis. I may be new to using the internet but I am not new to folk clubs and am well aware that clubs do not book as many guests or any guests at all in the summer. Please do not patronise me or use me to show off with HTML as a friend of mine has pointed out.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 09:11 AM

I don't see the need for anybody to abuse anybody here, nor do I see the need for negative criticism.

Ali is doing a sterling job and it's always so much easier to criticise what somebody's doing than try to do better yourself.

If anyone has ideas for making the programme better or more inclusive in any way, I know Ali will be delighted to hear those ideas, either here publicly or privately by phone, e-mail or PM, all of which contact details she has ready given out.

Ali is an extremely approachable, open person who does not deserve this unpleasantness. If anyone wants to carry on abusing anyone, I suggest you take it elsewhere and leave this thread for talking about Ali's programme.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:02 AM

Nice one Noreen, nuff said i think?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:32 AM

I can feeeeeeeeeel the love in this thread.:-)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:46 AM

Yup!!

Ain't it sad when someone can dish out insults, but can't seem to take playful digs...!!?

Ho hum!!

Showing off with HTML? Duh... where?! Have I missed something?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:07 AM

Bernard, come on... you wantonly used b, i and small tags.
Hang your head in shame!
If you're not careful it'll be colours next, then where would we be?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:43 AM

Oo-er! Thanks for alerting me, John! Didn't realise that counted as 'showing off'!! I'd better stop using the caps shift, too!!

Anyway, I can't do colours!!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 03:25 PM

Cheers, Mark...

       I'd be really interested in the Gary and Vera recording. Sara's quite taken with them and she's never seen them live.

       Paul....I think you've made your point and I'm sure Bernard didn't mean to cause you any offence and Bernard try and control your exhuberance because you're just making matter worse, me old mate...

All the Best.........Harry.


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