1960's Australian Folk Albums

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 08:12 AM

Hello, Margret

see you at Jamberoo - I never miss that festival

sandra

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: JennyO
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 09:19 AM

I'll be there, too. More than likely I'll be the one giving Sandra a lift, so you can take your 90% down doona and the hot water bottle, Sandra.

I hope the campsite will be a little more comfortable than the one at Albion Park was. That festival really "blew me away"!

Jenny

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: cobber
Date: 03 Aug 03 - 08:21 PM

All this talk about Colin Dryden reminds me of another little story. About 1068, I bought a D35 Martin 12 string guitar (Beautiful guitar but couldn't stand the Australian climate. I'd just picked it up and was driving into carlton when I spotted Colin walking along the footpath so I stopped to show it to him. We sat in the gutter for an hour or more with people walking past shaking their heads while Colin explored the sounds it made and showed me all sorts of riffs that I didn't know. My main memory of Colin (apart from his self-destructive style of living) is of a man with a very generous heart who would encourage and help younger musicians like myself. He was also prone to bullshit a bit. For years he had me convinced that he had written the tune "Lannigan's Ball". I've always believed him to be the composer of the beautiful song, "The Factory Lad", in fact we even credited him with it when we recorded it. Can anyone confirm this? Or not, as the case may be.

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: JennieG
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 12:57 AM

geez cobber what a memory - I can't remember what I ate for breakfast this morning, let alone what guitar I bought in 1068!
Cheers
Jennie

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: JennyO
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 05:55 AM

Well if he didn't write Factory Lad, it's news to me and we've all got it wrong!

Jenny

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: DaveA
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 06:30 AM

Margret,

Are you performing at the Troubadour Birthday weekend in 3 weeks time or the annual Weekend in November???
And thanks for the correction re the "Reatas". You are dead right & I was dead wrong.
It is a pity no-one recorded some of those sessions from Reata in the early 60s, especially Martyn singing some of the old English Ballads like "Farmers Boy" and "The Skye Boat Song".
I took my (then) 9 year old daughter to hear him at the Troubadour in 1983 as The Skye Boat song was her favourite & she knew I'd learnt it from Martyn. He was doing a gig with Danny Spooner & Ellen Hundsley & when I asked if he was planning on singing it & why, he looked doubtful & said he hadn't sung it for years but he'd see what he could do in the second bracket.
Well, the second bracket came & went, as did an encore but no "Boat Song". One tired little girl looked at me and said (with big tearfilled eyes) "Don't worry Daddy, it's only a song & it's been a wonderful night".
Then suddenly, back came Martyn to do a second encore, stopped at our table and said to her "Hello, you must be Tara. We're going to sing your song now. Do you want to come up and sing it with us"????
She was a bit shy to go on stage but she sang every word quietly as she sat on my lap & I had the teary eyes.
A wonderful memory of a very special performer that remains with me (and my now married daughter) to this day. A true gentleman.
Look forward to seeing you at one or other of the weekends
Dave

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 09:39 AM

Hi Dave
November Troubadour Festival for me - couldn't make the 25th anniversary weekend (to be fair to The Boite, where I'm performing 2 weeks later).
Enjoyed your Martyn Wyndham-Read anecdote... you're right, he's a really nice guy.
Cheers
Margret

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:22 AM

by-the-by, Martyn will be here early next year - he's launching Songlinks at the National & will be touring around

sandra

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: rich-joy
Date: 10 Aug 03 - 05:29 AM

By putting "the twiliters" into the Australian Google, I found Google's cached webpages for "Reflections from "Dave's Place" by Ken Bradshaw - all about the ABC-TV show in the mid 60s hosted by the Kingston Trio's Dave Guard - shame I couldn't get the photos still though ...

Makes VERY interesting reading though, for anyone reminiscing about those earlier days of "Aussie Folk"!! Maybe the start of another thread : "Whatever happened to ... ?" what do yez reckon???


Cheers!
R-J

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Cattail
Date: 10 Aug 03 - 08:01 PM

Hi Maldenny, and all others here.

I have a tape, which doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet on these
two threads, and which may be of interest to you all.

Called:

    BUSHWACKERS AND CITY SLICKERS
a larrikin collection of australian songs

It was issued on the AXIS label
Number TC-AX 701305
This compilation 1982

It has on it:

SIDE 1

1. South Australia.                (Original Bushwackers Band)

2. Bold Jack Donahue.                (Danny Spooner)

3. Diranbandi/
    Bunyip In The Water Tank.        (Mike & Michelle Jackson)

4. The Teams.                        (Cathie O'Sullivan)

5. Denis O'Reilly.                (Original Bushwackers Band)

6. The Aussie Take-Away        (Eric Bogle)

7. Bullants in your Pants.        (Chris Duffy)

8. The Fat Song.                (Cyril May & Fabulous Jack)


SIDE 2


1. And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda.         (Eric Bogle)

2. The Toorak Tram.                (Bernard Bolan)

3. Basingstokes.                (Bernard Bolan)

4. Old Sydney Town.                (Phyl Lobl)

5. Country Girls.                (John Summers)

6. Jindyworoback.                (Drew Forsythe)

7. Neurotica Suburbia                (Robyn Archer)



Sorry for such a long post, I hope it may be of some use.
(And hopefully I get to pay a little back for all the great stuff
I've gained from the Mudcat)

DaveA, that was a lovely, touching story about your little
daughter, I bet it made her night, and yours too.

Cheers to you all.

Cattail 0~

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 11:12 PM

G'day again,

Back on 24 July, Robin ... or GUEST,Bendigo ... asked:

Hi...I've been trying for a long time to locate a copy of A.L.Lloyds "Outback Ballads" Topic 12T51 Could anyone help me/direct me ? Or perhaps do me a tape ?
         Any help would be gratefully accepted.
                         Regards    Robin

At the time I was not able to find any local (Larrikin) re-release of the Lloyd material requested. Since then, I have come across a cassette with both Topic 12T51 Outback Ballads and Topic 12TS203 The Great Australian Legend. These are no great shakes ... probably second cassette copies of old vinyl ... and the only way I currently have of copying them would be via a tacky 4-in-1 (Radio /LP /CD /2-Cassette box.

If that will get you access to material you can't locate from honest commercial releases, I can do a copy for you. If you are now a member, you can PM me ... otherwise we will have to work out some other arrangements.

BTW: If you run across Peter Ellis around Bendigo, give him my regards.

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: GUEST,dBranno
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 08:21 PM

G'day comrades,
(BIG hellos to Margret, Cobber John and Guru Bob,and all youse Auscatters)
I haven't been at the 'cat for a while - great to see this thread !
there was, by chance, a launch of the Declan Affley CD in Sydney last w'end - a long Saturday arvo in the Gaelic Club...Jeannie Lewis sang, and John Dengate, several other obvious suspects including yours truly.
Re. further releases from the Australian Folk Archive - Mr. Chetwynd and I are doing a Colin Dryden sampler ( also, possibly, THAT Extradition concert, PJFF 1970 )and we have more Declan, the Colonials
and very early Captain Matchbox ( original line-up ) in de can.
I also have some interesting vinyl - one of what I beleive were TWO different Melbourne Town Hole concerts ( Maldenny are you there? )with Martyn W-Read, Dave Lumsden, et al
AND Trevor Lucas' eponymous first album ( 1964, he was 20 !) with some tracks live at Frank Traynor's.
These albums are being digitised, but I'm not sure about release. I'm sure interested parties could swap certain recordings for educational purposes if nothing else !
All the best, keep those toes and fingers tapping
Regards, Dave B

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: GUEST,Li'l Aussie Bleeder.
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 11:38 PM

Saw 'The Seekers' at The Treble Cleff in Toorak Road just down from the YWCA, home at the time (around 1963ish). Also zoomed off to the Rialto or Reata on the back of a Vespa, and a place in St Kilda Rd. called 'The Jolly Roger'.
My record 'The Twilighters in Concert' I think it is called, though I havn't seen it for about 5 years having loaned it to Buggsey and he doesn't return anything.
L

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 03:29 AM

Greetings right back at ya, Dave!
Congrats on the Declan Affley CD, btw.
Hope you get to release all those others you have in the can - you've got one buyer here, OK.....would especially love to hear that Colin Dryden collection.
Incidentally, saw Shayna Karlin/Stewart (Extradition) in Brisbane this week.... apparently she doesn't perform anymore, but she sang songs her Dad had nominated for his wake (Carter's "Crow on the Cradle" and Lehrer's "Irish Ballad").
And if we wait a coupla years she can join me in my "'60's" show (you have to be in your sixties & sing songs you performed in the '60s)
Cheers
Margret

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 09:11 AM

me too, I want them all, please.

I have the Vicious Sloth "Extradition" on order at the moment.

I took my Extradition LP into my favourite CD shop, Mojo Music (Kings of the Back Catalogue) last week & Lee was impressed, tho he hadn't realised some copies were making $1500 overseas. Then he told me they often had copies of the CD, but as they put it in with Australiana I'd never seen it. The Australiana section only ever contained country & didg music on the odd occasions I looked there so I avoided it & just studied the Folk section.

sandra

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: cobber
Date: 02 Sep 03 - 03:07 AM

Hello again. Another favourite album that had a pretty restricted release, though i suspect it was early seventies rather than sixties was the one George Black, Gordon MacIntyre and Andrea Calder did under the name of Desiderata. I know my copy is pretty worn from too many late night playings - the hand got more shaky as the evening progressed and thye level in the whisky bottle dropped. If nobody has a better copy it would still be worth the time to clean up the scratches and pops. They did a beautiful version of Timothy Winters which is unfortunately as true today as it was back then.

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: GUEST,Chris/Darwin at work
Date: 02 Sep 03 - 03:34 AM

Bob

I have a copy of Lloyd's The Great Australian Legend somewhere in pretty good condition I think.

Regards

Chris

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: GUEST,Hi Dave B From Wngt.
Date: 02 Sep 03 - 05:50 AM

Dave you may or may not remember me. I'm Murray Kilpatrick.
Used to hang around the Monde. You crossed the ditch with Dickie Doctors. Came back for a festival and then we never saw you all again. Remember you used to sing with and leaned against Bob Silbery etc. He's still playing as am I. Frank Fyfe oassed away a few years ago.
Scene is very quiet but still exists nowdays.

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 03 Sep 03 - 12:10 AM

G'dat dBranno/Dave B,

It's all interesting stuff ... the Declan Affley is great to have - and you've done a good job of salvaging from some dubious originals!

BTW:

"... and very early Captain Matchbox ( original line-up ) in de can ..."

I have black & white concert photos from National Folk Festival, 1971 (Adelaide), of Captain Matchbox - I mentioned these when buying some CDs of The National Junk Band from Mick Conway, at Jamberoo last year ... He replied "So, is this a blackmail threat?".

(I also have photos, from [possibly] the same concert, of Margret in a mini-skirt ... well on any other chanteuse it may have been a midi-skirt - anyway, an the next night she wore a full-length style!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: martyn w-r
Date: 03 Sep 03 - 06:28 PM

Hi Ho All   I have just been enjoying looking at all the information on the Mudcat site, on the list of Australian sixties Albums I believe that Moreton Bay was the first Peter Mann recording, and I did that with Brian Mooney and David Lumsden in about 1962. I remember recording it on a Saturday in a chuch hall which I think was part of Melbourne Grammer School where Peter Mann taught. A friend of mine in Cornwall found a mint copy of it never having been played and this was in an auction a few years ago. A cousin of David Lumsden's issued a limited edition of Moreton Bay which he had at Port Fairy where Brian Mooney, David Lumsden and myself sang the tracks off the record about 5 years ago. Martyn W-R

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Sep 03 - 06:39 PM

Hi, Martyn! Yep...we have a rousing good time here at Mudcat!...Glad to see you here...and will be glad to see you next month at my house. (Is the little chair still holding up?)

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: allanwill
Date: 04 Sep 03 - 08:56 AM

Gee, Margret RoadKnight and now Martyn Wyndham-Read. I, at least, am in the presence of royalty.

On the subject of Captain Matchbox - does anyone remember the film version of the play "Dimboola" (1979)? CM were the musicians who provided the music for the wedding. They started out doing some punk rock stuff, but soon found out what is required for country weddings. They ended up doing "The Sheik of Araby" in their own inimatable style, probably as homage to Chad Morgan who had an acting role in the film.

There were also three young ladies in the film who sang two, terrific and very popular, Aussie songs of the 40's-50's? - We're Riding Through the Never-Never and I'm Going Back Again to Yarrawonga.

Allan

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Sep 03 - 10:32 AM

Good to see you here officially, Martyn!

Welcome to the world of Mudcat - it's fun & educational & wonderful & amusing & fantastic & lots more

see ya in the new year

sandra

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: GUEST,dBranno
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 07:11 AM

Martyn, perhaps you can help date an album I have called 'Australian Folk Night', on W&G, produced by (and featuring) Denis Gibbons, with yourself and the bush band, the Moonbeam, the Lumsden, and Doug Owen, Peter Laycock and Lenore Somerset. I've searched my old Tradition mags and found mention of another Melb. T.H. concert, mid-late '65, sponsored by Frank Traynor (which was my first ever folk concert), where you and several other usual suspects perform ( also young Jeannie Lewis and Kevin Butcher who passed on recently) SO, the concert on vinyl feels like it's earlier...

Bob,the centrefold (la la) of the March 1966 Tradition has a series of photos from a 'Songs of Peace and Love' concert (Nov. '65). Some frighteningly young looking folkies, including the beautiful Mss. Thomasetti and Lawton....

Murray in the shaky isles..bloody gooooooday to you.
That's a very low blow to the sedimental memory bone you, you...
Yeah, you're right, neither the Doc or meself have been back to Aotae for hmmmm 30 years!! I see him every so often, still playing and singing. Good to hear that the chuckleberry kicks on too.. please give him a g'day from me when you see him next.

keep dem toes and fingers tappin'    regards Branno

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 09:29 PM

G'day dBranno,

Yes, I have a full set of Tradition ... and I scanned in a couple of the Glen Tomasetti pix for the Phyl Lobl (neé Vinnicombe) obit articles in Mulga Wire, i>Cornstalk Gazette and i>Trad&Now. I passed through Melbourne a couple of times around those years, between construction jobs in the Tasmanian Hydro and the Snowy Scheme, so I did, briefly, get to see a few of those much younger faces!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 11:18 PM

G'day again,

Just in case anyone is as confused by my tortuous prose as I am, that line above was meant to convey: "... the obit article by Phyl Lobl (neé Vinnicombe) for Glen Tomasetti ..." (or something like that!

Regard(les)s,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 09:07 AM

speaking of Extradition - I have finally got my copy of the Hush CD - magic! I have played it 3 times tonight & could still be listening to it but I really must get to bed sometime soon as the alarm will be going off in less than 6 hours.

Margret - there are 2 versions of Ice - one on the original record, the other included in 6 bonus tracks from a concert recorded live March 1970.

If I didn't have to meet my good friends for brekkie, I'd play the album again!

sandra

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: freda underhill
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 11:53 PM

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 12:04 AM

Thanks for the info re Extradition released on CD, Sandra.
The version of "Ice" I learned from the LP was actually sung by a guesting Graham Lowndes (my nomination for the most soulful, and under-rated, Australian male singer, btw)......
I imagine the extra live version on your CD features another singer (Shayna?)

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 06:55 AM

nope, it's a bloke!!

notes say Colin Dryden & Shayna both do vocals but all I hear from her is the (finger?) bells. (Dave, when's the Colin Dryden album coming out?)

It's a powerful version, but like you I do prefer the Graham Lowndes' version I've listened to for almost 3 decades!

ICE
(Colin Campbell)

There is whiteness all around
Looking up I see no sky
Looking out I see no distance
Looking down I see no ground
Only cliffs of ice are moving
Frosty breath the only sound

I hear the ice
I hear the glaciers returning

sandra (listening to Extradition once again)

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: rich-joy
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 08:54 PM

Hi Sandra - finally received my long-awaited copy of EXTRADITION too, just before Xmas -

Must admit however, that upon the FIRST hearing, Paul and I both felt that it was very
"of it's time" (retrospectively thinking) or,
"ahead of it's time" (at the time) or,
maybe they were just "out of it, at the time" :
i.e. we felt that perhaps we needed to be stoned to REALLY appreciate the FIRST half of the CD!!!

(and yes, we could just be getting too old, that's true!!!)

OK OK, so I'll go back and listen again (now that we're not so busy and stressed out pre-Woodford and Fire Events!)


The CD didn't contain all the tracks from the concert that Paul remembered with such "Nost"! but hopefully Dave Brannigan & Derryck Chetwynd's recording will cover them ...

The surprise for us was hearing Colin's recording of "The Ballad of Reading Gaol", that he set to Oscar Wilde's famous poem.
I've only ever heard Paul Lawler (ex Sydney/Darwin) sing that song - beautifully and heart-rendingly - and I think he learnt it from Gerry Hallom years and years ago, who also taught him a lovely guitar riff, that Colin Dryden doesn't do on THAT recording ... But I'd never heard anyone but Paul sing that song - s'pose it'll take on a new lease of life now!!!

ALINACT - are you going to continue with your early Oz recordings data, here???
We've really been enjoying Malcolm J. Turnbull's early Melbourne folk scene history articles in the "Trad and Now" magazine - hopefully, other cities will be included in the series???


Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: rich-joy
Date: 15 Feb 04 - 02:32 AM

I've just come across a copy of "The Coffee House Songbook" OAK Pubs, NY, 1966 - in an opshop - which covers "... the tradition of folksong which we have found to be most favoured by semi-professional and often wandering Folk Singers of North America between 1959 and 1965 ..."

and Surprise! Surprise! it includes "The Ballad of Reading Gaol"!!!
Set to the music of "I Saw Her As She Came and Went" by Chris Couveau from Williamsport, PA - DOES ANYBODY KNOW THIS SONG, or this artist?????

Now many of the chords written on this copy are the same as those which Paul learnt for this song - but not being a musician, I cannot say if it's the same tune!! However, The EXTRADITION CD only credits "Oscar Wilde, arr Colin Dryden/Colin Campbell" ...

Anybody know any more details? (or should I start another thread perhaps?!)

Cheers!
R-J

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: rich-joy
Date: 15 Feb 04 - 02:59 AM

Well, I just went Googling and came up with a TINY fragment of the song that sounded VERY familiar!!
It is on a Bok/Muir/Trickett recording "So Will We Yet"(?), but was written by gay civil rights activist (a singer and quaker,too) BAYARD RUSTIN (1912-1987)

So WHO set Oscar to this piece??? Was it the mysterious Chris Couveau in PA?
Or, was it the deceased Colin Dryden, Down Under (no, NOT from the grave!! In OZ, I mean!!) No, maybe not, he would've been too young perhaps ...

Anyone any clues please?

Cheers!
R-J

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Joybell
Date: 15 Feb 04 - 07:15 AM

Sandra, Shayna? Shayna Carlin?? She had a great influence on me at Frank Traynor's, along with Danny Spooner and Gordon McIntyre. Yes Cobber I was there too!. I named my first daughter after Shayna. Never told her of course, I was too shy to talk to anyone back then. Does anyone know her whereabouts now? I found a brief mention of her online but not much. Joy

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 15 Feb 04 - 07:21 AM

Joybelle

Margret RoadKnight knows Shayna - she posted to this thread 29 Aug & here 'tis. Why not pm her?
.....................
29 Aug 03 - 03:29 AM

Incidentally, saw Shayna Karlin/Stewart (Extradition) in Brisbane this week.... apparently she doesn't perform anymore, but
she sang songs her Dad had nominated for his wake (Carter's "Crow on the Cradle" and Lehrer's "Irish Ballad").
And if we wait a coupla years she can join me in my "'60's" show (you have to be in your sixties & sing songs you performed
in the '60s)
Cheers
Margret

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Joybell
Date: 15 Feb 04 - 07:35 AM

Great! Thank you Sandra. I'll contact Margaret. She was another singer I was too shy to talk to back in the 60s. Might ask her about her 60s show. I'll qualify next year and I wasn't too shy to perform in the 60s - though not in such prestigious venues as Traynor's. Joy

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: allanwill
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 05:32 AM

OK, just to keep the theme going, try this one.

No date on this one but it is a "6 track 33W&G Compact LP" titled OUTBACK with the SOUTHERN FOLK THREE. It's on the W&G label (WG-Q-1851).

Side 1

1. WALTZING MATILDA (3.12)
   Cowan- Paterson (Allan)

2. BOTANY BAY (2.46)
   Trad. arr. Vincent (Woomera)

3. THE KELLYS' FATEFUL DAY (3.45)
   Campbell Vincent (Woomera)

Side 2

1. THE OLD BARK HUT (3.39)
   Trad. arr. Vincent (Woomera)

2. THE DYING STOCKMAN (2.40)
   Trad. arr. Vincent (woomera)

3. THE OLD PALMER SONG (2.08)
   Trad. arr. Vincent (Woomera)

In the past, many people have felt that Australian folk-songs offered little scope for musical originality. On this record, THE SOUTHERN FOLK THREE have engendered a new spirit and verve into songs which most people regard as being 'hackneyed and unimaginative'. Their musical sensitivity, coupled with a sympathetic feeling for the lyrics adds warmth and colour to the Australian folk scene.

Never before have these familiar songs been arranged and presented in such an exciting way. Listen to the haunting tone evoked by the unusual chords in "The Dying Stockman"; feel the lusty drive of "The Old Bark Hut" as the boys narrate this whimsical tale; witness the changing moods of "Waltzing Matilda" as fate ensnares the unfortunate swagman. Experience all of these sensations and more as you go "Outback with the Southern Folk Three".

And what of "The southern Folk Three".

Known throughout Australia as "The Unichords" these boys began their career whilst studying at Melbourne University. Of late they have been concentrating on their first love - folk music - hence the group's new name.

Bearded leader Campbell Vincent, a devotee of all folk music, is responsible for all the arrangements. A Bachelor of Music, his range of instruments includes five-string banjo, guitar, piano to name a few.

Charles Conlan, lead singer and a soloist in his own right, is largely responsible for the driving sound the group achieves while Laurie Arter provides the vocal bass and guitar accompaniment.... left handed!

We need say no more. You'll hear all about them!

Recording Engineer .. RUSS THOMPSON

Cover Design and Layout .. . KAREN

Recorded, Processed, Pressed and Issued through the Australasia-wide facilities of W&G


Just a couple of points - does our 60's (insecurity?) (paranoia?) (lack of confidence?) shine in some of these cover notes?

and does anyone else remember the W&G label as Wobble and Goggle?

Allan

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: rich-joy
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 07:58 AM

West Aussie DJs called it "Wiggle and Giggle", Allan!
(Thanks for the PM too - and no, these names don't ring any bells with me I'm afraid ...)

Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Valda
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 01:08 AM

THE ANNETTE KLOOGER SHOW

ABC / x30m-e / 1959-61 black and white

Producer: Fred Maxian

Variety series hosted by Annette Klooger and featuring regulars such as Dennis Biggons, Frank Sheldon, The Unichords and The Ted Preston Quartet.

Quote from the MemorableTV /Australia site.... so they must have had a profile if they were regulars on a tv program ... interesting post!

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 02:37 AM

(Guess you're referring to Denis Gibbons, Valda).

Denis first recorded in 1954, and claims to have issued "the first ever recording of the original version of Waltzing Matilda" (more recently released on a Move Records CD in '95).

I'm wondering how his recording of Australian folk songs compared to, of all people, Burl Ives (who toured Australia in 1952, and learnt songs from the collection of Dr Percy Jones, as did Denis).

Burl Ives (with the Four Guardsmen - who were they?) issued a 10"LP on Columbia in the '50s of "Nine Australian Folk Songs", but who was first.....? (maybe a third part..?)

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Valda
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 03:02 AM

Hello Margret.
Firstly, I thought I should tell you that a copy of David Mulhallen's review of your CD has been placed on FOLK AUSTRALIA.You can see it in the REVIEWS section here: http://folkaustralia.com/

Not sure if it means Denis Gibbons - I found it spelt that way on a website! Here's an interesting reference to the FOUR GUARDSMEN taken from, of all placed, a copy of Hansard (April 6 2000) in 2000:

"Mr Jack Neary, AM, OBE. was a giant of the Australian entertainment industry ... Jack Neary was a young policeman when he formed a quartet called The Four Guardsmen, entered it in Australian Amateur Hour and won. Success followed, and the quartet became national stars of radio and the Tivoli circuit.

Jack moved from entertainment to managing entertainers. Bobby Limb, John Laws and the orchestra leader Bobby Gibson all began their careers with Jack. Later he extended his activities, started booking overseas artists to come to Australia and moved into television production and film making. Jack brought many famous artists to Australia, including Winifred Atwell, Harry Secombe, Dave Allen and Jack Benny. He was involved in touring the von Trapp Family Singers, but the highlight of those years was his signing of the Beatles for their Australian tour. ..."

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 08:28 AM

Appreciate the pointer to David's review of "Moving Target" - thanks, Valda!
And for the note re The Four Guardsmen.
Now to find out which year that Burl Ives album was recorded.....

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 10:07 PM

G'day Margaret,

Purely - from the foggy recesses of what I laughingly call my memory - the date 1953 arises, for the Burl Ives LP. I need to check that in printed texts, but I think it's about right!

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Valda
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 12:49 AM

BURL IVES:
Roger Clarke, on his Waltzing Matilda site, says that 'Waltzing Matilda' was included in a sheet music album "Nine Australian Folk Songs" published by Allan's in 1952. It showed Burl Ives on the cover (timed to coincide with his visit here in 1952).

Here's a bit of trivia... (I'd like to see these though!)In the Burl Ives Collection in the Library of Congress' music division they have listed the fiollowing materials relating to his 1952 tour of Australia and New Zealand:

            Airline tickets and transportation
            Australia: Home for spastic children [photograph]
            Sydney Australia program
            Australia: "Variety" article
            Article on Australia for American newspaper
            Australian tour: Itinerary in Adelaide
            Article by Burl Ives on Australian folksongs
            Australian album presentation to ambassador
            Return to Australia
            Australian taxes
            Australian album after tour
            "Nine Australian Folk Songs" [album cover]
            New Zealand tax returns

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 02:08 AM

G'day Valda,

I knew the Burl Ives Australian Folk Song book came out in 1952, to coincide with his tour - what I need to do is track down the release date of the LP ... I just remember it as the next year.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Compton
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 07:38 PM

This thread is getting a bit long...but I remember with affection around 1974 a bunch of Australians turning up at Sidmouth festival in a converted ambulance. They were, if I can recall their full name,The Bushwacker and Bullockies Bush Band. Anyone else remember that far back?...and are they like me, still about??

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 08:10 AM

G'day Compton,

They are .. in a sense ... still around (I heard, a year or two back that they took on member #57 ... their first female (Pamela Drysdale on accordion) ... I think Mick Slocum, a (~) 1969 original rocker may still be with them.

To further confuse the issue, an ealier "Bushwhackers" (with 2 'h's) started the Australian revival over 50 years ago ... but this lot of reformed rock & rollers had not heard of them!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Compton
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 06:56 PM

How good that is, Bob...They were I remember a curious mix! but took Sidmouth Festival by storm!
I take it, they are still recording!?!

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 07:41 PM

G'day Compton,

I have not seen any new records for several years - but they do have a website at: Bushwackers, so you can chase up their history and current doings.

(I note that they mention a new CD Ned ... presumably concerning my great-great-great-uncle Ned Kelly - but this record is not in their site's (2½ years out-of-date) list.

Don't take too much of the information on the site as gospel ... I recognised quite a few errors in a quick scan - and the 'Wackers' were never noted for letting the truth stand in the way of a good story (and they used to thrive on the publicity of looking innocent when anyone pointed out their errors!).

Their (full) name: "Bushwackers and Bullockies Bush Band" was sort of filched from the title of a 1960s/70s LP record with Martyn Whyndham-Read, Phyl Vinnicombe and Peter Dickie - called Bushwackers, Bullockies and Booze. The "Moreton Bay Bushwhackers" they mention on the website where actually a Queensland spin-off band from the original Sydney group just called "The Bushwhackers Band". In the late 1950s, all of what we would now call "Bush Bands" tended to be called "Bushwhacker Bands" because the Sydney group created the first definition of such a band.

(BTW: I was intrigued to note that the current incarnation of the rock-based "Bushwackers" has a graphic of the group ... in front of a lot of Sydney 'icons' - the Harbour Bridge, Opera House, Australia Square, &c ... rather than views of their 'native' Melbourne. Well, as a Sydneysider myself, I think that's natural ... but ... ?)

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: 1960's Australian Folk Albums
From: GUEST,bobjack
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 03:35 AM

Post no 100. I thank you. You have made an old Guinea Pig very happy.