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Witchcraft - positive songs about?

katlaughing 28 Aug 10 - 04:10 PM
GUEST 28 Aug 10 - 01:00 PM
Alan Day 30 Sep 08 - 11:18 AM
Bryn Pugh 30 Sep 08 - 10:30 AM
Big Al Whittle 30 Sep 08 - 10:01 AM
SINSULL 30 Sep 08 - 09:54 AM
GUEST,Cats 30 Sep 08 - 08:41 AM
Barry Finn 30 Sep 08 - 12:29 AM
beetle cat 29 Sep 08 - 10:54 PM
GUEST,Gereg again 30 Jul 03 - 03:20 PM
GUEST,Gereg 30 Jul 03 - 02:55 PM
GUEST,Paul Mitchell 30 Jul 03 - 07:35 AM
kendall 30 Jul 03 - 07:25 AM
LadyJean 30 Jul 03 - 12:11 AM
GUEST,Dáithí 29 Jul 03 - 08:52 AM
GUEST,bryn 29 Jul 03 - 04:55 AM
GUEST 28 Jul 03 - 02:26 PM
GUEST,Dáithí 28 Jul 03 - 07:48 AM
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JennyO 27 Jul 03 - 11:53 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 27 Jul 03 - 11:50 PM
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kendall 27 Jul 03 - 12:59 PM
The O'Meara 27 Jul 03 - 10:55 AM
kendall 26 Jul 03 - 03:06 PM
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harpgirl 26 Jul 03 - 09:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:10 PM

Thanks, Guest. I had not heard that part!


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 01:00 PM

Some interesting points have been made in this thread!!!

John Barleycorn being a good song for this time of year

also going back to an earlier post by katlaughing

did you follow on from there

We all come from the Goddess,
And to her we shall return,
Like a drop of Rain,
Flowing to the Ocean,

Hoof and horn
Hoof and horn
All that dies shall be reborn

Corn and grain,
Corn and grain,
All that falls shall rise again

We all come from th.......
??

works beautifully in cannon or as a'round'

anyhow, I am looking for Nigel and seldiy's John barleycorn lyrics.

I have an old recording but I am unsure of a few words so may just ad lib

Bright Blessings

BB Ro


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Alan Day
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 11:18 AM

I have written a song about The Storm Witch of Orkney it is based on a Myth/True story about 1570 Janet Forsyth . The song is from facts read in a Museum in Inverness.
For the words see Storm Witch thread on this site.For the tune if interested please contact me.
Al


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:30 AM

IMABHO, you can't beat "Oak, Ash and Thorn", which we sing at the Midsummer Circle festivities.

Wise and Blessed Be.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:01 AM

theres that lovely Jake Thackeray song about the three Jolly Witches.
And didn't they think the widow of Brid was a witch?


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 09:54 AM

Love Potion Number 9?


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Cats
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 08:41 AM

The Museum of Witchcraft in Boscatle, Cornwall has produced an excellent cd of songs about witchcraft from a ranger of singers. It is really worth getting a copy. just google them for info.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 12:29 AM

Just rereading this post & saw Kat's song, must've missed it the first time, with the line
"Maybe your great, great grandmother was one"
Funny my great grandmother was a witch. She lived in Italy before coming here to the states where she had given birth to her last kid, my grandmother. My Grandmother & her brother both would never discuss their mother, at least not in front of me when confronted be my mother or one of her siblings, when it came to her odd doings but my mother & some of her siblings do & swear that she was a very powerful woman that helped out others when they came to her in need when no one else could or would help them (I often wondered that she sounded more like something out of the Godfather than the Great Grandmother). It was said (by the family elders & their friends) that in her village she was the one sent for & called by all the women during child birth so that any evil cast upon the child could be removed. As far as I've ever heard my Great Grandmother only did healing, except once when my Grandmother testified against one of her brothers. She cursed my Grandmother & I'm told that my grandmother paid dearly, costing her the same pain of being seperated from one of her own children (which did happen). Maybe the beliefs skip a generation, I've met many of my mothers friends that say she's a healer too but like my Grandmother & Granduncle I don't give it much consideration but I have seen her do some unexplainable strange things. Come to think of it my sister was a bit strange too at times when she was younger, she could always sense where spirits of those that departed tragically were lingering. But we're all a bit strange, aren't we??

Barry


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: beetle cat
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:54 PM

These aren't all positive... but they all involve witches:

WILLIE'S LADY (Child #6)
JOVIAL HUNTER (Child #18)
MARRIAGE OF SIR GAWAINE (Child #31)
THE LAIDLEY WORM. (Child #34)
ALLISON GROSS (Child #35)
THE LAIDLEY WORM OF SPINDLESTON-HEUGH (Child #36)
BROOMFIELD WAGER (Child #43)
LASS OF LOCH ROYALE (LORD GREGORY) (Child#76)
NORTHUMBERLAND BETRAYED BY DOUGLAS (Child #176)
LORD LIVINGSTON (Child #262)

Does anyone know of any other child ballads about witches?


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Gereg again
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 03:20 PM

...So okay, I've read quite a few of the messages now, and I have to say - both to those who term themselves witches and to those who insist that nobody today is a witch - the following: the use of the term 'witch' by modern Goddess-worshippers doesn't, in all probability, bear much resemblance to its use historically. We simply don't have reliable records to support or refute the idea definitely (although the records we do have tend to refute more than support the current usage by modern pagans). But it's a fairly harmless instance of reclaiming an ugly old term, just as hippies took to calling themselves 'freaks' in the late '60s. To those who want to insist that modern pagans aren't real witches, I'd like to point out that Yeshua (usually called 'Jesus') would likely have a bit of trouble recognising the religious practises of most of the people today calling themselves Christians. Like most swords, that business can cut both ways. Just for example, Yeshua is said to have enjoined his followers not to judge others... and it seems to me I've noticed a fair bit of judgemental language in this thread. On both sides of the pentagram, I might add.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Gereg
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 02:55 PM

There's quite a lot of messages in this thread, and I can't say I read them all, but you might try Archie Fisher's "Witch of the Westmorelands" (at least I believe it's his), which Stan Rogers recorded on (as I recall) "Between the Breaks." Wounded knight saved by a witch. Stan Rogers' "Giant" is not witch-specific, but definitely has some of the feel of the old faiths. Dar Williams did one about the Christians and the pagans sitting down to Thanksgiving dinner that's pretty funny, reminds me of someone's experience from this thread visiting a capital-C Christian, and is mostly focussed on religious tolerance. Unfortunately, most True Believers in anything tend to write fairly preachy songs, and tend to lose their sense of humour and perspective when they sit down to write. Kipling wrote "Oak, Ash and Thorn," which has been set to music by a few pagans, but you'd have to track those down through other sources. Good luck, blessings & good faring.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Paul Mitchell
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 07:35 AM

Re Damh: I don't know about rock bands in the 70's (I'll try and find out) but he sure looks like that bloke from The Sweet!

He used to play in a group called Spiral Castle (or was it Spiral Tap?)

He produced my CD for me. Did I mention I have a CD for sale? Full of pagan songs!


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 07:25 AM

The Witch of the westmoorlands was written by Archie Fusher.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 12:11 AM

WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THE WITCH OR THE WESTMERELANDS BEFORE!!! Unless she's the witch or the Westmorelands. I think it's by Poul Anderson. I know it's a good song, and that witch kicks butt!

RE Wicca, It occurs to me to mention my first visit to a coven meeting. The witch in chief lit the sacred fire, in the sacred cauldron. The fuel for said fire was dried herbs and scented oils. I think the flames shot up four feet, and I uttered one of the most fervent prayers of my life. "Please don't let her burn the house down!" That prayer was answered.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 08:52 AM

Well - jamming is such a loose term ;^) Mostly i sat next to him around the campfire, with a whistle in my hand, looking lost!


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,bryn
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 04:55 AM

Regarding Damh, don't know quite simply, I saw him at the Clun Green Man festival this eyar (excellent event, totally recommend it). I envy you jamming with him, he rocks.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 02:26 PM

Loreena McKennit and Maire Brennan of Clannad fame--can't beat their stuff for the pagan feel, IMO.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 07:48 AM

Maddy Prior's "Year" is more Pagan than is obvious at first hearing , too. Bit of shape shifting,Wheel of the Year and a lot about the Hare -sacred to the Goddess..(Bryn - seen Damh play, and jammed with him at a camp last year -excellent stuff!What rock band did he used to be in back in the seventies do you know?)
D
(ps not a guest - but don't know how to change it!!)


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,Bryn
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 06:44 AM

Songs:
Anything at all by Damh the Bard (he has a website somewhere I think)
The Levellers have some nice godessy stuff - 'Elation' or 'Maid of the River'.
The Bostcastle museum of witchcraft have a cd - mostly chanting and probably only available from them but worth a try if you ever head that way.
There's a few interesting things on the 'wicker man' soundtrack.
Trefor and Vicki Wiliams have some decidedly interesting material on their new CD 'Timeless Land' - the title track may ring bells for anyone in love with ancient landscapes, there's a song somewhat inspired by tarrot, and a superb green man song.
'The Cry of Tin' cd, (ask Tom and Barbara Brown, I got my copy from them) also has a good green man song on it and one about knockers (in mines, not breasts)
Graham and Eileen Pratt's album 'lark in the clear air' has an excellent song about Merlin on it.
There's also some very interesting material in the Kipling/Bellamy - the tree song.

being Pagan and Folky, I've been colelcting suitable material for some time, there's a lot of it out there, not necessarily by, for or about wiccans or any other sorts of pagans, but which may well be resonant for anyone of that inclination. Jon Harvison's 'turning of the year' is excellent. That's everything I can think of off the top of my head.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:53 PM

Very well said GUEST, and Gargoyle. Been there - done that.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:50 PM

Hot Damn!

Just the reason... I persist... in being... a gargoyle

Centuries of Persecution is Grand - just isn't it?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 02:03 PM

When one compares the harm done to millions of marginalized women accused of witchcraft over the centuries (historically, the only kind of witch which existed was a "bad" witch), and the unlikely possibility that women who claimed to be witches (the number of which must be very small indeed, considering the historic consequences of being a practicing witch) who did actual harm to others by practicing their rituals, etc. I can come to only one conclusion. That while traditional societies have always tolerated marginalized characters like witches, witch doctors, shamans, etc. those same societies also used the stereotypes of those marginalized people, who live at every society's fringes, for the occassional bloodletting on a massive scale (ie witch burning, inquisitions, wars against the colonials, the Cold War, invasions of Iraq, etc).


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 12:59 PM

It all stems from men's fear of women. Fear breeds hate.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: The O'Meara
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 10:55 AM

OK, right, it was a newt rather than a toad. Had a geezer flash there.

Back to the original topic, how about Jim Stafford's song (poem?) "Swamp Witch"? It seems simplistic, but it has several layers to it, not the least of which is the question of is she a "good" witch or a "bad" witch?
"Rumors of what she'd done, and rumors of what she'd do
kept folks off the track to Hattie's shack,
in the back of the Black Bayou"

Good stuff.

O'Meara


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 03:06 PM

that's Goethe'


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 12:55 PM

I'm with people whose minds are open. Remember the inquisition? the witch hunts in Salem? Wanna go back to that? I believe it was Goetha' who said "There is nothing so scary as ignorance in action."


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,karen
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 11:00 AM

I am with iggy on this one !

It is surprising how popular this thread is !


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: harpgirl
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 09:56 AM

..oh all right Lepus Rex, I'll stop poking fun at people who call themselves witches. It hasn't escaped my notice that you have had your fun at my expense as well! love, harpgirl


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 08:25 AM

I actually don't sound like I know a blessed thing about it. I'm just fairly competent (most of the time) at understanding what other people write and I can usually find stuff with a search engine. Try Paganism: an exploration.

On topic:
The Pagan Alternative. What's the music? (Not a whole lot of music in that one.)
Pagan/Folk/Earth Music Reasearch Project
Pagan/Wiccan songs for Samhain?
- looking for songs about holy days may yield more results than looking for general songs.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 07:44 AM

Bitchcraft? Never heard that one before. SOunds like a real Christian name to me.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 12:35 AM

I gave the Merriam Webster online dictionary definition to you in the BS thread harpgirl, and your sleazy, condescending, tongue in cheek tone and play on words isn't escaping everyone's notice.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: harpgirl
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:42 PM

Gee Jeri, do ya think? I'm still searching for a definition of WICCA from our practitioners, as a form of religion. You sound like you know something about it. Please enlighten me on the BS thread. love, harpgirl


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 05:07 PM

Lady P... Thanks for remembering this lay creature...I found some lovely songs and read messages from some lovely intellegent people..I dont think you should be too hard on each other,always remember youve all questioned the status quo and that something to feel good about,well never make the world better without getting rid of the debris left by all the religious nuts ,and asi said before the important thing is not bad witches or good witches but the eternal natural cycle which will still be here making the world go round long after weve all been forgotten..Thank you all AKE


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:52 PM

Ah well - Witchcraft doesn't have the nickname of "Bitchcraft" for nothing!

ZM


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: lady penelope
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:46 PM

Akenaton, have you found any songs you like the sound of or that fulfill your criteria?

As for the rest of the postings on this thread.......People are people are people whatever religion or belief system they adhere to.

Now, could we get back to what we were asked in the first place?


Lady P.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:34 PM

iggy, there is an old adage, "The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open." There are nuts in any organization, including all sects of organized religion.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:33 PM

I got the impression iggy was apologising to the non-nutters, and you and gargoyle had been pretty much dismissed.

Bad luck iggy. Sounds like you were attending more of a "let's dress up and play occult" night than any serious Wiccaness.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:26 PM

It was a newt, not a toad


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:25 PM

Iggy, that is not the truth of things...those people are just as misguided as many so-called christains are. And just like many people do with Christains, you are judging a whole religion by the stupidity of a few.

I am no witch or anything, and I belong to a newsgroup that is predominately Wiccan...and they make fun of the very people you were describing.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: treewind
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 01:59 PM

Iggy - you were unlucky. Trouble is, paganism attracts even more of the misfits and weirdos of the world than folk clubs do - and that's saying something!

Paganism does'nt have a creed, so you can believe what you like. So many do...

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: harpgirl
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 01:18 PM

so you're apologizing to me because I may be offended because you have called me "nutters" iggy, correct? Are you also apologizing to gargoyle?


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: The O'Meara
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 12:15 PM

King Arthur comes upon an unruly mob of villagers about to do in a witch.
"How do you know she's a witch?" he asks the crowd.
"She turned me into a toad!" One of the villagers shouts. Arthur stares at the man for a few seconds.
"Well, I got better" the man says.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

O'Meara


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,iggy
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:33 AM

I'm still computerless, and although I can read Mudcat voraciously from work I dare not post. Some things are just impossible to leave alone though. The remarks from HG and GG don't trouble me because they've been demonstrating that they're simply nutters for years, but to see so many Mudcatters whose opinions I respect take this stuff seriously is simply mind-blowing.

Every major city has a group of people who've tried to escape the mundane by calling themselves witches. Back in my directionless and more naive youth I considered becoming part of a coven. I was asked if I'd be interested in going to a 'gathering of some friends' by a co-office worker. What an evening!

Held in the back of an "Occult Shop" I could have easily gotten the impression that to be female and a witch you had to be quite obese and rail on endlessly about being 'burned at the stake for your wisdom' in days gone by. I heard no wisdom that night, just pyscho babble, tales from Atlantis, stories of multiple reincarnations, and in general a great deal designed to lift one out of a current morass of feeling bad about themself. I should emphasize that this wasn't a 'regular' meeting, but a 'social' one perhaps for my benefit. There were a couple of guys there, including one huge man in a FRiar Tuck robe trying to look exotic. I left at the first opportunity, claiming sickness, which wasn't totally untrue.

This was just my experience, but over the years I haven't seen much to change my opinion. I apologise if I've ofended anyone, but we must be honest witnesses to what we perceive as the truth.

iggy


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:21 AM

Hey Gargoyl, how about a translation into English?


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: Ross
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:32 AM

Stairway to Heaven? - 180 minute disco version by the Wombles

states

There was a witch & she was a lovely witch

Who lived in a zoo & walked with a twitch

And when she drank the brew she became such a bitch

She started a thread on Mudcat that reached a fever pitch

FIN


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: GUEST,.gargoyole
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:16 AM

A gentle lulaby of my very dear mother's word.



A lovely rising/falling pentatonic scale sung on late summer nights before a fire burning bright:




Si pater virginis dare nolueritus

Reddet pecuniam iuxta modum dotis

Quam virgines accipere consueruntis

Maleficos non patieris

Vivere qui coieri

Cum iumento morte moriatur

qui immolat diis occidetur

praeter Domino soli




PAX



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 07:27 PM

I had the pleasure of traveling with, and camping beside a witch at Old Songs two years in a row, and the worst thing she did was give away the Kielbasa! I enjoyed her company very much, and, she didn't turn me into a newt!


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 05:07 PM

Have posts been deleted from this thread? I hadn't looked at it before today, but my curiosity was piqued when I saw the thread title "Positive posts about" (*not* this one, whose subject line I first suspected had been bowdlerized).

Turns out it was a new thread, asking for positive songs abour lawyers, and Richard who started it off made some reference to deliberately truncating *his* subject/title so as to avoid negative responses from "fundamentalists."

I immediately looked into this thread, hoping to be tittilated by a nice nasty bout of pagan vs born-again namecalling. However, there very little conflict represented here, except for a single message from Gargoyle, which hints that some of his previous postings may have been censored.

If so, sorry I missed it. I would undoubtedly have disagreed with whatever may have been wiped away, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have enjoyed reading and maybe even replying.

Now then:

Harpgirl: What is UP with you? Do you seriously believe that you yourself are irredeemably evil? Because of some "truth" you've learned and can't ever unlearn? Perhaps you should keep an open mind and keep learning until you come around to the higher truth that everything is everything, and it's not all about you.

Maybe you're just kidding. I hope so. If so, thanks for injecting some uncensored controversy.

Maybe you should go to the health food store, pick up a bottle of Dr. Bronner's concentrated liquid soap, and read all the fine print -- the late Dr. B had it just about right: "All is One."


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 04:38 PM

Believe? How about ARE witches, with all that entails, just as someone is a Christian/Jew/Muslim, etc.? Not claiming any perfection, just ARE.


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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about?
From: harpgirl
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 04:29 PM

hmmmm...so you folks don't believe in bad witches? You only believe in good witches, right??????


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