Subject: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Mark Clark Date: 04 Aug 03 - 07:34 PM I was reminded of this piece the other day and thought it worth sharing here. - Mark
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Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Deckman Date: 04 Aug 03 - 08:22 PM WEE WOW! I haven't read this for years! Thabk you for posting it! Bob |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: David Ingerson Date: 04 Aug 03 - 08:39 PM Some powerful words there. David |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Amos Date: 05 Aug 03 - 12:10 AM Ah, Mark, you're a ninny after my own soul, thanks. A |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: mack/misophist Date: 05 Aug 03 - 12:13 AM He sang of Olaf, glad and big, Whose fondest heart recoiled at war, A conscious objector. And now Olaf will never die. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:11 AM e.e. cummings idea of hell? A WORLD WHERE THE CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON! LTS |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Amos Date: 05 Aug 03 - 08:39 AM ...who said upon what once were feet there is some shit I will not eat.... |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Bill D Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:30 AM e.e. cummings never wrote them poems....they were done by a cockroach named archy. cummings just found them on his typewriter in the morning and published them. she being brand new..... |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Peter T. Date: 05 Aug 03 - 12:04 PM Speaking as a sometime poet, I think this is mostly crappy advice (though e.e. cummings was a wonderful poet from time to time). The only good paragraph is: "Because nothing is quite as easy as using words like somebody else. We all of us do exactly this nearly all of the time --and whenever we do it, we are not poets." The rest of it feeds into the usual self-indulgent emotional narcissism that has done its best to wreck poetry to the point where thousands of people write it, and no one reads it. It is not just self-expression. Real poetry is a deft balancing of, among other things, all kinds of experience (not just individual feeling), and the wrestling with the complex process of heightening our common language. yours, Peter T. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Bill D Date: 05 Aug 03 - 01:53 PM *smile*...I had earlier pondered exactly how to say approximately what Peter T. has done so eloquently. I am reminded of school of 'art' which allows random flinging of paint or welding bits of junk together and naming it "Found in an Alley". Perhaps cummings didn't quite mean what he seems to be saying...that unless it is totally different from what everyone else has done, it isn't original & creative. ------------------------------------------------------------------ One 'thread creep' example which may illustrate what can happen when use of language, whether in poetry of other endeavors gets too clever for it's own good. In some parts of the African-American community, it is common to try to name a child using a 'unique' name...which is a nice idea, but often ends up just being an awkward variation on LaToya, or other "same but different" categories. Now the same thing is happening in other subcultures in society, with startling results *sigh*(no, 'Dweezle' & 'Moon unit' are not the worst!) I hope I haven't streched the metaphor 'too' much. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Amos Date: 05 Aug 03 - 05:20 PM ...who said upon what once were feet there is some shit I will not eat.... |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,Dan Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:12 PM You've missed the point. He's not talking so much about how to write poetry as how to go about living this life. And in fact it is quite profound. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:24 PM (??!_) |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Lonesome EJ Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:35 PM My favorite advice..... Ars Poetica A poem should be palpable and mute As a globed fruit Dumb As old medallions to the thumb Silent as the sleeve-worn stone Of casement ledges where the moss has grown - A poem should be wordless As the flight of birds A poem should be motionless in time As the moon climbs Leaving, as the moon releases Twig by twig the night-entangled trees, Leaving, as the moon behind the winter leaves, Memory by memory the mind - A poem should be motionless in time As the moon climbs A poem should be equal to: Not true For all the history of grief An empty doorway and a maple leaf For love The leaning grasses and two lights above the sea - A poem should not mean But be Archibald MacLeish |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:37 PM I was into pre-pseudo minimalist-response found poetry for a second there. Sorry. Anyone looking for his complete poems on-line will find them at Look at last link in "Some of his poetry" |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:38 PM E.E. Cummings poetry that is. (Just capitalizing on the use of his name . . . .) |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Bill D Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:56 PM go to your room! |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: mousethief Date: 16 Jan 10 - 12:39 AM The trick to writing poetry Is write a lot of it Then have a friend to read it all And tell you that it's shit. Doggerel, I know :) O..O =o= |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Amos Date: 16 Jan 10 - 01:01 AM I allows itself to be felt as feeling among All that is to be felt -- the Thou and the It And all between in the instant That feeling becomes the driven sound, the poem. Lying about who you truly are no feeling will Allow to the Sonic booms of unhampered feel That makes a poem be poem, feeling. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,lordflea Date: 30 May 12 - 09:43 AM That's because you are thinking |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: dick greenhaus Date: 30 May 12 - 09:47 PM Where is all the damn punctuation coming from? |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST Date: 09 Nov 15 - 06:44 PM hi. just a poet from michigan. thank you for having this piece on your site. i've had this quote on my refridgerator for at least ten plus years. it was totally light faded. thank you for a printable copy. -john van hattum |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: keberoxu Date: 09 Nov 15 - 07:08 PM Looked up Amos's quote, and found instead: "Olaf (upon what were once knees)" which rhymes with a different line than the one that ends with "eat." Oh, and Bill D.? His name was Don Marquis, I believe, the fellow who wrote Archy and Mehitabel, the latter of whom was "toujours gai and always a lady." |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,DrWord Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:40 AM What cool revivals of old threads ~ Archie & Mehitabel currently pulled from the past on another thread. Mehitabel was my late wife's clown name ~ she was a great Marquis fan. & I love cummings. A _most_ remarkable thing is his recorded voice, declaiming his odd orthography|typography in an equally odd voice. Haven't looked for files, but recall it very clearly from a public library recording. Thanks for the rethreading ~ this weaving of the web ~ & keep on pickin' dennis yeah, my signature is all lower case :) |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: MGM·Lion Date: 10 Nov 15 - 04:23 AM A poem should not mean But be Archibald MacLeish ..,,.., Quoted above. Maybe. Lots of poets have tried to define what poetry is and does. I love Will's formulation, spoken by Duke Theseus in MND As the Imagination bodies forth The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen Turns it to shapes, and gives to aery nothing A local habitation and a name ≈M≈ O how I wish I could be a poet! I have a first-cousin who is a well-known one, Richard Burns aka Berengarten.. But I, alas, tho I can write discursively, & come up with an occasional bit of comic verse to win the odd magazine competition, was born without the true creative gene — one of the greatest regrets of my long life. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 10 Nov 15 - 07:12 AM FIRST, A POEM MUST BE MAGICAL By Jose Garcia Villa (Filipino writer August 5, 1908 – February 7, 1997) First, a poem must be magical, Then musical as a seagull. It must be a brightness moving And hold secret a bird's flowering It must be slender as a bell, And it must hold fire as well. It must have the wisdom of bows And it must kneel like a rose. It must be able to hear The luminance of dove and deer. It must be able to hide What it seeks, like a bride. And over all I would like to hover God, smiling from the poem's cover. Sincerely, Gargoyle |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Amos Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:28 PM Lovely post, Mister Goyle! |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:33 PM Sonnet 24/01/02 DCL A sonnet is a frozen tear, a kiss, Preserved in fourteen lines. It is a pearl Of layered thought, a gem too bright to miss When set on page: One blossom, to unfurl To perfect flower. As amber, sealed soul In timeless tomb, it can show time long past, Or hold this instant in it's grasp. The whole Of heart upon one single page, to last Beyond even our dreams, it seems a sip, Distilled to essence. Refined within mind, Lines sing sweet song, and rhymes in patterns slip, To weave image that leaves mere vision blind. A single chord, to resound in one's heart: Echo of past that might our future start. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: Joe_F Date: 10 Nov 15 - 06:22 PM Typographical aside: The notion that Cummings never used capital letters, and in particular wrote his own name in lowercase, is wrong. It is true that in his poetry he was playful with the distinction, and often used one or the other where you wouldn't expect; but in prose, including his signature, he followed the usual rules. |
Subject: RE: A Poet's Advice - e. e. cummings From: GUEST Date: 10 Nov 15 - 06:22 PM Typographical aside: The notion that Cummings never used capital letters, and in particular spelled his own name in lowercase, is wrong. It is true that in his poetry he was playful in his use of the distinction, and when he used capitals it was often where one wouldn't expect them; but in prose (including his signature) he used capitals in the standard ways. |
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