Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides

Subject: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: harpgirl
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:06 PM

Does anyone know anything about this tune?   thanks, hg

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:36 PM

This is the only reference to it that Google found. I'm assuming you have the tune? Could you post abc please?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:55 PM

I was going to post the following to your other thread on the subject, but the link from their site to MP3.com screwed my browser and I had to re-start the computer...

There are a good few tunes named for one Douglas or another (we've got about a bit over the years) but I've never heard of a tune called Kathryn Douglas; the nearest I can find is a reference to a modern piece, Miss Katrina Margaret Douglas, written by a John Douglas (her father, I think). Do the Davis family say where they got it? "Scottish traditional" (as on their website) isn't especially helpful.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:58 PM

No, it wasn't, but that was all I found. Found something at Fiddlers Companion called Miss Douglas..........

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 08:00 PM

From Fiddlers Companion:
BRECHIN CASTLE. AKA and see "Miss Douglas of Brigton," "Lady Harriot Hay." Scotland, Strathspey. B Flat Major. Standard. AAB (Gow, Hunter): AABB (Honeyman, Kerr's, Skye): AABB' (Athole). The melody was known by the alternate titles until Gow published it under the name above in his 1st Repository (1799). The name Brechin is purportedly derived from Brychan the son of Brychan, who moved to the area from southern Wales. The Round Tower at Brechin probably dates from around c. 990 when Kenneth II took control of the area. Subsequently, around 1150, a cathedral and bishopric were founded there. Hunter (1988) notes that Brechin Castle is the seat of the Earls of Dalhousie. Gow (Complete Repository), Part 1, 1799; pg. 32. Honeyman (Strathspey, Reel and Hornpipe Tutor), 1898; pg. 28. Hunter (Fiddle Music of Scotland), 1988; No. 166. Kerr (Merry Melodies), Vol. 1; Set 27, No. 3, pg. 17. MacDonald (The Skye Collection), 1887; pg. 125. Stewart-Robertson (The Athole Collection), 1884; pg. 278.
T:Brechin Castle
L:1/8
M:C
R:Strathspey
B:The Athole Collection
K:B_
F|:B/B/B B2 B>df>d|B/B/B B2 c>B Adf>d|
eB A |:f>B e/d/c/B/ fg|fB e/d/c/B/ c>B AB e/d/c/B/ ff|1
eB AB A

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: harpgirl
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:29 PM

I have the CD but no ABC, Scorch! The CD says a traditional Scottish air from the Outer Hebrides Islands, arranged by Joy MacCarthy and shared by the Bigney family...hg

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: harpgirl
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:33 PM

I typed in "douglas" at JC's and got a bunch of tunes. It might be the "traditional air" but the sound on this computer is not working so I can't check to see if that is the correct tune. hg

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 10:39 PM

The "traditional air" abc is there in error; someone has put 3 abcs beginning X:1 in the same file, so the search returns them all as if they were the same piece. The first is Castle Douglas, but the second two are unrelated.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Heb
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 06:46 AM

Afraid I dont know the tune. I expect everyone's thought of this, but in case not: try a few spellings of kathryn. I live with someone called Kathryn and I know well there are about a hundred ways of spelling the name.
   The only catherine Douglas I've heard of (might have something to with tune?) is the woman who saved the life of some Scottish king by barring a door with her arm when some baddies were trying to get in and kill him. It must have been one of those doors with big staples to put a wooden bar through, and someone had thrown the bar on the fire becaues they were cold. Anyway, it bust her arm a lot, but it apparently saved the day. This is story is used to expalin (not totally believably) the proverbial phrase "Katy bar the door".

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From:
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 07:11 AM

As well there was a Gaelic song writer by the same name back around the early 1900s.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From:
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 08:09 AM

Harpgirl, are you on the Scots-L mailing list? It's for discussion of Scottish tunes, in particular fiddle tunes.

If you aren't, have a look at this web-site to subscribe

Tulloch Gorm Mailing Lists

They also have one for ABC Users

Have a look.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 08:40 AM

"The name Brechin is purportedly derived from Brychan the son of Brychan ...."

Not from his dad, then?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From:
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 08:58 AM

Harpgirl, have you tried the e-mail link on Fiddle-sticks web-site since their Sampler seems to be the only place which has this tune name on the web?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Kathryn Douglas: fiddle tne frm Hebrides
From: harpgirl
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 09:34 AM

thanks george, I'll try that...thought greg would know this tune as well as sorcha...will listen today at work, malcolm...hg