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Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves

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FATTY GROVES
LORD BANNER
MATTIE GROVES


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GUEST,Rachel 25 Aug 03 - 05:26 PM
Clinton Hammond 25 Aug 03 - 05:34 PM
GUEST,rachel 25 Aug 03 - 05:42 PM
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Susan of DT 25 Aug 03 - 06:14 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: GUEST,Rachel
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 05:26 PM

I was wondering if anyone knew where i could get "The Songcatcher" version of this song? It is the most beautiful thing i've ever heard... you can e-mail me at lhmanclan%@msn.com... thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 05:34 PM

Unfortunately, the 'soundtrack' for Songcatcher bears very little resemblance to the music that is actually sung in the film... and what they replace it with is pretty lousy in comparison....

They lyrics, or at least close enough are in the Digi-trad...

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: GUEST,rachel
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 05:42 PM

unfortunatley- i'm not having much luck with this lyrics- and you're right- the "soundtrack" is horrible. i wanted the girl who sang it in the movie to be on the cd!! it seems that they've pieced a few versions together for the movie- although i can't be sure. ah well- thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 05:56 PM

URL to the DT's take on them... copy and paste...

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3911

All I know is the Fairport Convention version... which doesn't seem to be in the DT... But the DT one is pretty close...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: Susan of DT
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 06:14 PM

This is Child #81, so search for #81


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 08:55 PM

I just (finally!) saw Songcatcher last night, on DVD. I thought it a good (not great) movie, and I liked what music there was. The trouble is, for movie-making purposes they usually would give just a sample of a song and then go on to some movie action. I counted only three complete songs sung in the movie.

As I say, I understand why the moviemakers had to do that, but it's a disappointment just the same.

Before I take the DVD back to the library, I intend to record off several of the songs and parts of songs. I sing most of them in one version and another, and I may want to modify my version, influenced by what I heard and liked.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: John Minear
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 09:11 PM

Dear Rachel,

   Would that they had let Emmy Rossum sing all of those ballads all the way through in the movie and that they had included all of them on the SONGCATCHER cd! What a wonderful voice and what a wonderful actress and what a wonderful role she had. But you know she had to learn how to do that, how to sing that way. I heard that it took her six long weeks and a lot of work. But she did it almost perfectly. We know because her voice coach was Sheila Kay Adams and we are very fortunate to have Sheila singing these old ballads on her tapes and cds which are available. Compare Emmy's "Barbara Allen" (fragment) from the SONGCATCHER cd with Sheila's "Barbara Allen" from her cd, MY DEAREST DEAR. The similarity is uncanny! You can hear Sheila sing all of Little Mathey Groves on her early tape, A SPRING IN THE BURTON COVE, which is a real treasure, and on her latest live cd, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JOHN PARRISH'S BOY? Both are worth having, along with DEAREST DEAR, and both are available directly from Sheila at:
   Sheila Kay Adams
   PO Box 1401
   Mars Hill, NC 28754

   Also, check out her website at: Sheila Kay Adams to learn more about Sheila and her history as a ballad singer. T.O.M.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: GUEST,Me
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 09:17 PM

Child ballad #81 (in DT). The broadside ballad version was entered in the Stationers' Register on June 24, 1630 (ZN286 in the broadside ballad index at www.erols.com/olsonw), and the earliest extant text, printed in 1630 or only slightly later, is given is the Scarce Songs 2 file there (search for 'Lady Barnet').


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: Burke
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 09:23 PM

Old Matty was in a thread just
last week.

I also highly recommend Sheila Kay Adams' recordings. She's a wonderful ballad singer, story teller & banjo player. On WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JOHN PARRISH'S BOY? she mentions the moral of the tale being something to the effect, "When the trumpet sounds get going."


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Subject: Lyr Add: LITTLE MATHEY GROVES (from Sheila K Adams
From: John Minear
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 09:51 PM

Here are the lyrics for Sheila Kay Adams' LITTLE MATHEY GROVES:

Oh holiday, oh holy day,
The first day of the year,
Little Mathey Graves to church did go,
Some holy words to hear, hear,
Some holy words to hear.

He spied some women dressed in black
As they came into view,
Lord Daniel's wife was gaily clad,
The flower of the few, few,
The flower of the few.

She step-ed up to Little Mathey Groves,
Her eyes cast on the ground.
Said, "Please, oh please, come go with me
Stay as you pass through this town, town,
As you pass through this town."

Oh please, oh please come with me, stay,
I'll hide thee out of sight,
I'll pleasure you beyond compare,
And sleep with you all night, night,
I'll sleep with you all night.

I cannot stay, I dare not stay,
I fear t'will cost my life,
Cause I can tell by your finger rings
That you are Lord Daniel's wife, wife,
That you are Lord Daniel's wife.

Lord Daniel's in some distant land,
He's left me for to roam.
He's taken all his merry men,
And I am quite alone, lone,
And I am quite alone.

Her little footy-page was a standing near by,
Was a hearing every word was said,
He said, "Before the sun goes down,
Lord Daniel'll know what's said, said,
Lord Daniel'll know what's said."

He ran along the king's highway,
He swam against the tide,
And before the sun went down,
He's standing at Daniel's side, side,
He's standing at Daniel's side.

"What news, what news," Lord Daniel cried,
"What new do you bring to me?
My castle's burned, my tenants wronged,
My wife with a baby, be,
My wife with a baby."

No harm has come to your house or lands,
While you have been away,
But Little Mathey Groves is a hugging and a kissing
On your fair lady gay, gay,
On your fair lady gay.

If what you say is not the truth
As I take it to be,
I'll build a scaffold tower so high
And hang-ed you will be, be,
And hang-ed you will be.

If what I say is not the truth,
And false as false can be,
You need not build a scaffold tower,
Just hang me from a tree, tree,
Just hang me from a tree.

Lord Daniel called his merry men
And bid them with him go,
But warned them not to speak a word,
And not a horn to blow, blow,
And not a horn to blow.

But riding with his merry men,
Was one who'd wish no ill.
He popped his bugle to his mouth
And he blew it loud and shrill, shrill,
And he blew it loud and shrill.

"Oh what is this?" cried Little Mathey Groves,
As he sat up in the bed.
"I fear it is your husband's men,
And I will soon be dead, dead,
And I will soon be dead."

Oh lay back down, Little Mathey Groves,
And keep my back from cold,
'Tis nothing but my father's men
Calling their sheep to fold, fold,
Calling their sheep to fold.

So Little Mathey Groves, he laid back down,
And soon fell off to sleep.
When he woke up, Lord Daniel was
Standing at his bed feet, feet,
Was standing at his bed feet.

Saying, "How do you like my snow white pillows?"
Saying, "How do you like my sheets?"
Saying, "How do you like my pretty little woman,
That's a laying in your arms asleep, sleep,
That's a laying in you arms asleep?"

Very well do I like your snow white pillows,
Very well do I like your sheet.
Much better do I like your pretty little woman
That's a laying in my arms asleep, sleep,
That's a laying in my arms asleep.

"Get up, get up," Lord Daniel cried,
"And put on your clothes.
In England it shall never be said I
Killed a naked man, man,
I killed a naked man."

I won't get up, I can't get up,
I fear t'will cost my life,
Cause you have got two bitter swords,
And I ain't got a knife, knife,
And I ain't got a knife.

I know I've got two bitter swords,
They cost me deep in purse.
I'll give to you the best of these,
And I will take the worst, worst,
And I will take the worst.

The first swing that Little Mathey made
It hurt Lord Daniel sore,
The next swing that Lord Daniel made,
Little Mathey hit the floor, floor,
Little Mathey hit the floor.

Get up, get up, my pretty little wife,
And come sit on my knee.
And tell me which you liked the best,
Little Mathey Groves or me, me,
Little Mathey Groves or me.

She looked up in Lord Daniel's face
And saw his jutting chin,
Said, "I wouldn't trade Little Mathey Groves
For you and all your kin, kin,
For you and all your kin."

He took her by the lily white hand
And led her across the hall.
He pulled out his sword and cut off her head,
And he kicked it against the wall, wall,
And he kicked it against the wall.

Go dig me a grave both wide and deep
To bury these two in,
Just kick little Mathey Groves over the side,
But lower my sweet wife in, in,
Yes, lower my sweet wife in.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: GUEST,Me again
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 11:57 PM

I forgot to add above that there are GIF facsimiles of 2 17th century copies of the broadside ballad version on the Bodleian Ballads website. Use BROWSE for 'Little Musgrove'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: alinact
Date: 26 Aug 03 - 03:05 AM

When I first watched Songcatcher, my immediate thought was what a great vehicle it would have been to use the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band as the basis for the whole soundtrack. I'm sure they would have made reasonably good actors. also, to lend a bit of authenticity to some scenes, which I thought was a bit "Hollywood-ish".

Allan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 26 Aug 03 - 02:36 PM

Allan... why not cast a good band in the role?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Sep 10 - 12:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFKc3FirofU


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Matty (Mathy) Groves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 13 - 11:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq1-brsGCcw


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