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GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester 10 Sep 03 - 01:17 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 10 Sep 03 - 01:28 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 10 Sep 03 - 01:47 PM
Hrothgar 11 Sep 03 - 06:18 AM
old git 11 Sep 03 - 06:53 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 11 Sep 03 - 08:48 AM
GUEST,GUEST 11 Sep 03 - 09:04 AM
GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester 11 Sep 03 - 01:13 PM
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GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester 11 Sep 03 - 01:17 PM
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Subject: The New Manchester Rambler
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 01:17 PM

This request got lost in another thread.

Has anybody heard a new version of the Manchester Rambler? I think I heard it on Mike Harding. Great song, graet tune, great take on a great idea.


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 01:28 PM

Probably the second one?

Suzanne's Manchester Rambler
Manchester Rambler - Reworking..


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Subject: Lyr Add: MANCHESTER RAMBLER (J Tams/E MacColl)
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 01:47 PM

Oops! Try again....From http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.thorp/lyrramb.htm

The Manchester Rambler
Copyright John Tams/Ewan MacColl (Cop Con)
A fine piece of writing by Ewan MacColl with links to the mass trespass on Kinder Scout in 1932 (the "Downfall" in the last verse is a waterfall on Kinder Scout). The song was reworked by John Tams in the early 1990's but not recorded until Patter son Jordan Dipper took it up for their album Flat Earth in 2002. The verses remain more or less as MacColl intended, if slightly shuffled; John added the chorus and married the whole thing to a new tune.

I've camped out on Crowden, Rambled on Snowdon
Slept by the Wainstones as well.
I've sunbathed on Kinder, been burnt to a cinder
And many's the tale I can tell.
Me rucksack has oft been my pillow
Heather has oft been my bed.
But, sooner than part from these mountains I love,
Well I think I would rather be dead.
 
There's pleasure in dragging the peat bogs, and bragging,
Of all the the fine walks that you know.
There's even a measure of some kind of pleasure,
In wading through ten feet of snow.
Well I've seen the white hare on the heather,
The curlew fly high overhead.
But, sooner than part from these mountains I love,
Well, I think I would rather be dead.
 
CHORUS
Nothing changes, It all stays the same,
They're selling the moorland for profit and gain.
They've sold all the rivers, bought all the rain,
And you can't go up there there, you're disturbing the game...
 
Cod's roe, Caviar, Milk Stout and Champagne,
Gold cards and Dole cards, but, never the twain,
That's the game, That's their game..............
Nothing changes, It all stays the same.
 
So, I'll go where I will over mountain and hill,
And I'll lie where the bracken lies deep.
I belong to these mountains, these clear crystal fountains,
Where the rocks they stand rugged and steep.
Well, I've stood on the edge of the Downfall,
Seen all the valleys outspread.
No man has the right to own these mountains I love,
Anymore than the wide ocean bed...

Repeat CHORUS...


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Hrothgar
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 06:18 AM

Didn't think it needed reworking.


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: old git
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 06:53 AM

neither do I!


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 08:48 AM

For comparison, have a look in the DT Manchester Rambler

Hope you enjoy.


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 09:04 AM

HROTHGAR AND OLD GIT, ARE YOU PHILISTINES OR WHAT????


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 01:13 PM

I was very apprehensive having sang the original a bit but the new is great and makes a good point. I am working on a re-write of Watering workers beer for related reasons


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 01:15 PM

So what's the "new tune" then? The verses will fit the old tune (let's face it, there's not much changed there apart from the missing verses); but the chorus won't. Anyone got an ABC?


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 01:17 PM

Well, thats why I started the thread. I cant rememeber it but it was good. Better than all those other versions of the Wild Rover, no disrespect to him though.


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 02:18 PM

I have this from Jennifer Thorpe who, I think runs John Tams website:

A fine piece of writing by Ewan MacColl with links to the mass trespass on Kinder Scout in 1932 (the "Downfall" in the last verse is a waterfall on Kinder Scout). The song was reworked by John Tams in the early 1990's but not recorded until Patterson Jordan Dipper took it up for their album Flat Earth in 2002. The verses remain more or less as MacColl intended, if slightly shuffled; John added the chorus and married the whole thing to a new tune.

And a cracker it is.

The downfall is the River Kinder, which flows off the top of Kinder Scout in a south westerly direction often into the oncoming wind. Sometimes little water gets far and in the winter it freezes into fantastic formations. Sorry I'm rambling now.


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Subject: RE: The New Manchester Rambler
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 12 Sep 03 - 12:48 AM

Guest. Did you READ the earlier messages?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: old git
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 06:30 PM

Guest,Guest
no i am no philistines
i just believe...if it's not broken...why fix it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Hrothgar
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 07:25 AM

You said it, old git.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Ralphie
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 09:13 AM

Hey Hrothgar and Old Git !
As the Jordan in the above recording of the Manchester Rambler (Re Visited) I will support the re write of a classic song. I think that Mr Tams observations on land ownership are thought provoking, to say the least.
And Yes, the old version isn't "Broke"...You can't break songs, only, lose them by NOT singing them, as Mr Carthy once famously said.
(And, I haven't heard the original Rambler for many a long year, maybe it might get aired a bit more frequently now.)

If all songs are sacrosanct, (As you seem to be suggesting) Then that's the whole of the Kipper Family ouvre out the window for starters!!

Not to mention every regional variant of other songs, and while we're about it, all musical instruments, classical arrangements etc, etc....

Blimey, I'm straying into "What is Folk song" territory...Nurse, the screens !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 12:21 PM

The original is still being performed, at least hereabouts! It seems to be a favourite of beginners particularly - only two chords, simple tune, well-known chorus, and its message is as relevant today as it was when it was written. It's a song that has certainly stood the test of time. Whether the new version is as easy to sing, I can't tell - can anybody provide the tune yet? (I'm not going to go out and buy it specially, when the original is still so singable).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: old git
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 02:50 PM

I still sing the original and still think it needs no improvement
This is hardly the same as regional variations,new arrangements or parodies à la famille Kipper.
With all his song writing talent John Tams could surely have got his message over in an original song
No I am not suggesting all songs are sacrosanct..I just feel in this case the original needed no improvement and as Joan says it's just as relevant today


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Ralphie
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 05:04 PM

Old Git.......Dear boy! (Tongue firmly in cheek)

The original song, is, and will always be, the original. No dispute, No argument......(and from my point of view....) No problem. Sing away if you want to...As a view of an idyllic England,Yomping about the mountains, it's a brilliant song.

But, knowing the chap as I do, I think John T's intentention was to to use the original lyrics to highlight his feelings regarding land ownership in the late 20th century, as time has overtaken reality...Any problem with that?

It actually sits in the same world (IMHO) as the various Kipper parodies, etc...but with a bit more political bite.. Surely that path of songwriting has been faithfully pursued by songwriters big and small for centuries?

Leon Rosselson, Billy Bragg, even the sainted Lord Carthy have been guilty of plagiarism....Bless 'em all.

Of course, sing the old songs the way they were written, if you like......but, if anyone has a new take on some song or other, all you've got to do is to keep an open mind....Fair trial, and a fair hanging perhaps?

After all....look what the Victorians did to our songs?!

Night Night Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Ralphie
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 05:13 PM

Sorry Chaps...that got a bit heavy...

After all, a song is not a weapon of mass destruction is it ?? (No, Don't discuss!!!)

Let the people who like one variant agree to disagree with their opposite numbers...OK??

To quote Loudon Wainwright

Shut up and go to sleep
And do me a favour,
Don't bitch in your sleep
I promise we'll resume again tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: old git
Date: 19 Sep 03 - 07:14 PM

ok...conceded...keep on singing!
cos that's all that really matters!!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 19 Sep 03 - 08:08 PM

G'day,

A 'folk song' lives by adapting itself to new events ... and by being accepted and sung by 'the folk'. The writer of the 'new' version ... and even the local singers of it are one the protoplasm of a possible new folksong (-version/ -variant) and may never know what they have wrought - or not!

Let's resume the discussion in 10 ... 20 ... ? years.

(And, of course, I don't ramble on Kinder ... or live in a new town that does - or whatever has re-kindled John Tams' interest in Ewan's old anthem.)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: GUEST,jollymillar@hotmail.com
Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:59 PM

Anyone know any easy guitar chords for the Manchester Rambler?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Dave Rado
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 09:32 PM

There are a few spelling mistakes in the DT version of the song:

In the first verse, "Wain Stones" is mis-spelt as "Waynestones" - despite being spelt correctly in the accompanying score.

In verse 2, "Grindsbrook" is mis-spelt as "Grinesbrook".

In verse 4, "moorland" is mis-spelt as "Moreland".

I was wondering whether these mistakes could be corrected?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Leadfingers
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 10:10 PM

Ive been singing the Original Manchester Rambler for foty years or so , but WOULD be interested in getting Mister Tem's tune for the update


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: doc.tom
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 05:07 AM

The magnificent Patterson, Jordan & Dipper recording on the Flat Earth CD is no longer available - but the tracks are availalbe for download from www.wildgoose.com.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: doc.tom
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 05:08 AM

Sorry! That's www.wildgoose.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Dave Rado
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 09:40 PM

I've found some more typos in the DT version of the song:

Verse 1, line 1:

"up on" is mis-spelled as "upon" - "up on" and "upon" mean different things and "up on" is definitely correct here.

Verse 4, line 3:

It should say:

"And the blue of her eye matched the blue moorland sky"

NOT:

"And the bloom of her eye watched the blue Moreland sky"

Is it possible to get errors like this corrected?

Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 05:27 AM

I have always sung "The bloom in her eye matched the egg on my tie" - for why I cannot remember.

Peggy Seeger, at The Lowry, Salford a few years ago asked us to sing:

"I'll have my freedom on Sunday" rather than "I'll be a free man on a Sunday" - seems fair enough.

L in C#
Who had the good fortune to be asked to sing The MR last Saturday at The Friends Meeting House, Manchester for The Greater Manchester and High Peak Ramblers AGM.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Anglo
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:23 AM

I briefly considered doing the new song on my anglo, IT IS BRILLIANT, but the switch between minor and major was too much for my simple mind, at least the way I play the concertina.

The oiginal, of course,, is brilliant too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Dave Rado
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:36 PM

I'll also be singing it, in honour of the forthcoming 80th anniversary of the Kinder Trespass in floor spots at several folk clubs over the next couple of weeks. I'll be singing it along with two other songs that I think complement it very well: "This Land is Your Land" and "The Uist Tramping Song".

In the meantime I've found two more typos in the DT version of the lyrics, both in the final verse:

In line 4, it should be "rugged", not "ragged".

In line 5, it should be "gulleys", not "gullys".

Is there any way of getting these corrected?

Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Dave Rado
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:42 PM

BTW, Les, I like Peggy Seeger's suggestion - as you say, it makes sense given that female audience members might find it odd to sing along with "I'll be a free man".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The New Manchester Rambler
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 03:48 PM

True, true Dave, as she pointed out many women were present on the MT and The Ramblers Assoc is stacked out with women walkers

L in C#


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