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Richard Bridge 15 Sep 03 - 05:22 PM
open mike 15 Sep 03 - 08:22 PM
GUEST,sorefingers 15 Sep 03 - 09:12 PM
Clinton Hammond 16 Sep 03 - 01:20 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 16 Sep 03 - 03:37 AM
Richard Bridge 16 Sep 03 - 03:41 AM
jonm 16 Sep 03 - 09:04 AM
GUEST,Woodsie 16 Sep 03 - 11:45 AM
mooman 16 Sep 03 - 12:17 PM
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Subject: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 05:22 PM

A few people have been keen to get a funny capo like the one I use to make it sound as if I can play DADGAD, but have been unable to trace it. I promised to post the info here 'cos the last time we spoke the home brewed beer (Dave Bryant's) made finding a pencil and paper to write details out jusst TOO dfficult.

I use a SCOTT TUNING CAPO. I got mine from PJ Music, Wayside Cottage, Chapel Lane, Boresdale, Diss, Norfolk, IP22 1DT, email pjmusic@btinternet.com, phone 01379 890088 or 07968 68 70 11. It's really cheap (but looks it too).

Or you could try the maker BWS Musical products, 33 Boswell ROad, Ilkeston, Derbyshire DE7 8EE, tel 01159 307064 (this number looks wrong to me but it's what the instructions say)

It can be adjusted for neck camber but I use some cut up bits of draught excluder instead.

There is an american product called the third hand that does something similar but is a lot dearer.


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: open mike
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 08:22 PM

"dearer" meaning more expensive?
rather than "more endearing"?


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 09:12 PM

Who's no expert but it seems intuitive to me!

Probably means - more '?' than something else. Insert things like - Love-Money-Time-Bananas-Whisky-Pushups ... better not be too brave, I would not want to be bitten by Cleigh O Possum!


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 01:20 AM

I've had a 3rd hand capo for years, and fortunately the conversation value of it in the guitar case eventually covered the cost of buying the stupid useless thing...

If ya wanna sound like yer in a different tuning, LEARN how to play in different tunings!

These gadgets aren't worth the powder to blow 'em to hell, near as I can tell...


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 03:37 AM

I agree with our resident extinctionist. "Third hand" type capos aren't worth having. Here's the reason why: Say you use one to capo just the 2nd, 3rd & 4th strings of a guitar in standard tuning at the second fret. You have an open A major chord (EAEAC#E). It's as if you had a regular capo at the second fret of a guitar in open G tuning (DGDGBD). Now, make a simple one-finger barre chord at the 7th fret. You don't have a D major chord like you would if the guitar was really tuned to open G. You have yuck! If you want a D major you have to play a 557775 barre just like in standard tuning, because the guitar is in standard tuning. Outside of the "open A" chord created by the capo, every other chord has to be made using relatively complex barre chords. There are none of the simple one and two finger chord shapes that make open tunings so appealing in the first place.

Forget it! Just tune the thing to open G. It isn't that hard to retune and it's a pleasure to play in.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 03:41 AM

I found some other threads on capos yesterday and think there's a bit of snobbishness here.

Yes, I can't play DADGAD. What's more, people don't want to wait while I get into DADGAD and then back to standard. Further, the fact that the other intervals remain the same make some runs I'd want to play in DADGAD actually easier with the tuning capo. In fact I'm not a brilliant guitarist or mandolin player, and I'd rather not learn a new tuning. I'm a chord player not a picker, and most of the variant tunings rather limit the available choice of chords. I used to use drop D, double drop D, and a variant of double drop D with the bottom E down to A, but now there's only one different tuning I use and that for only one song, drop top D, because it's the only way to get the sound I want for one particular chord in it.

But more particularly, I was asked to put the information up here, by people who wanted to see it. Because they wanted to try the tuning capo themselves. Nothing to do with bragging on my part.

If that offends the tuning police - or if using a capo at all does too - I am not ashamed, merely rather irritated by their pettiness.


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: jonm
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 09:04 AM

I have a Scott tuning capo. Putting the blocks on strings 3,4,5 across fret 2 gives EBEABE, or DADGAD capoII. If the guitar is tuned down a whole step, to DGCFAD,the capo will give DADGAD on the open strings.

There are advantages and disadvantages: While this does give an imitation of DADGAD tuning, any chords which require frets 1 or 2 on the strings left open (1,2,6) are impossible due to the presence of the capo itself. So the usual E minor cannot be fingered, for example. However, although you can play with the DADGAD open strings, all chords further up the neck than the second fret are as per standard tuning.

I have used the tuning capo in the past to leave the relevant strings droning while I play the intermediate notes up at about fret 7 on the next string down. It gives a lovely harp-like feel to Celtic tunes, and if you're only doing that for a couple of tunes in an evening's set, it saves making your audience wait while you do the re-tune.

I feel there are pluses and minuses to these devices, and also to playing without them in the alternate tuning. I do both, and I think I am a better player as a result, although the original reason was to avoid live retuning.

With a guitar tuned DGCFAD (one whole step down) and a Kyser capo, I can create drop-D with the capo across all but the sixth string. The D drones beautifully, yet I don't have to stretch up to fret 5 on that string to hit the G. That is my most common partial-capo use. Yet for different numbers, I also retune to drop-C (CGCFAD), double drop-C (CGCFAC) or open F (CFCFAC), although usually capo'd up one step to retain a D in the bass. In each case, if you plan your set order correctly, you only have to retune a string at a time. Then I can retune back to standard in a break. DADGAD requires too much indulgence from your audience, in my opinion, while you retune. OK if you're Martin Carthy, but not at the level I play.


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 11:45 AM

Thanx for the info Richard - I will definitely be trying it out!


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: mooman
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 12:17 PM

I usually play in DADGAD (and on a separate guitar in normal EADGBE for jazz and blues). I sometimes, however, use another tuning for certain tunes and songs, namely: EADEAE.

Having given up use of my Kyser capo in favour of the vastly superior (IMHO!) Bird of Paradise and Victor capos (see other capo threads) I found a use for use to convert quickly from DADGAD to EADEAE by cutting out the rubber over the 5th, 4th and 2nd strings and capoing on the 2nd fret.

I'm sure many similar quick tuning conversions are possible by similar capo butchery!

Peace,

moo


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: breezy
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 04:11 PM

sean lakeman uses one


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 04:15 PM

what's a sean lakeman?

And why did it take over a year to post that tid-bit?

:-)


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Subject: RE: tuning (or compensating) capos
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 06:53 AM

We call em ' rubiks capo ' round these parts.
eric


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