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BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'

Ebbie 19 Sep 03 - 10:25 PM
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Brían 20 Sep 03 - 06:30 PM
Ebbie 20 Sep 03 - 09:31 PM
GUEST,pdq 20 Sep 03 - 09:45 PM
Art Thieme 21 Sep 03 - 12:25 AM
mack/misophist 21 Sep 03 - 12:45 AM
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McGrath of Harlow 21 Sep 03 - 07:11 PM
Reiver 2 21 Sep 03 - 09:35 PM
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Subject: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Sep 03 - 10:25 PM

I'm currently reading Al Franken's newest book. It's very good, actually- and I've about got to the stage of adding Franken to the short list of people one would believe.

It occurs to me to wonder how many countries 'allow' this kind of diatribe? He is *very* disrespectful; he calls people names, he makes charges that, if not true, are libelous, even if sometimes hilarious.

Fox News, of course, has already decided that suing Franken in objection to the subtitle "A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" is counterproductive. Do you suppose that the people attacked/exposed/libelled in the book will just lie low and hope that the book falls off the Times Best Seller list? What would you do?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 20 Sep 03 - 04:30 PM

Though we haven't read the book yet, we've heard Al talk about it on CSPAN and NPR. Apparently what's in the book is true or there would have been lawsuits.

The only lawsuit we know of was by Fox and it was about using "A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" which is a take off on their solgan "A Fair and Balanced Look at the News". The suit was summarily dismissed after catapulting the book to number one on the best seller list.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Brían
Date: 20 Sep 03 - 06:30 PM

I wa riveted to the radio listening to "Wadaya know?" on NPR this morning telling us about his book fair with O'Reilly where he called Franken "a dangerous idiot" I believe, how the suit was "laughed literally out of court" and his conversations with Barbara Bush where she told him repeatedly, "I'm finished with you" to no avail. I must admit his barbs are succinctly placed.

Brían


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Sep 03 - 09:31 PM

My point is, factual and revelatory as it is, what will those who are impaled in the book do about it? Will there be lawsuits? Read the book - you'll see what I mean.

At this juncture I'm proud of my country for allowing this kind of book. My fear, of course, is that we may not be too far from censorship that will make it impossible.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 20 Sep 03 - 09:45 PM

Ebbie, only one schooled in the law can explain what you are asking about with certainty. I do know that a "parody" of a song is exempt from normal copyright laws. Political speech also enjoys a very high level of protection and was the reason for most of the first amendment. There is also a practical problem in that people can make up lies much more quickly than people can respond to them. This is not "fair" but it is reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 12:25 AM

I grew up where free speech was lauded and showcased at the wonderful open-air park forum called BUGHOUSE SQUARE in Chicago. ANYONE who had a point of view got up on a real soapbox and laid it all out for all to see and hear.

That is all this is----it's an updating of the old Bughouse Square--a great amalgum of digitized ideas containing truth as well as infamy. To stifle the new discourse with the corrupt power of our legal system where the cash to sue decides who will be heard and who can intimidate the other best----where O.J. walks and coffee-burnt litigants make millions----------well, it is simply a travesty that points up the need, possibly, for those with the energy and will to act (the youth of this mod age) to act to eradicate these and other corpoate excesses and outright thievery like at the New York Stock Exchange this week somehow---and possibly-- any way they can. It is about power. And if power is the extent to which you can inconvenience others, as I have heard it defined, I prefer by far the spin put on things by liars like Franken as opposed to the liars like Limbaugh and the present administration.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: mack/misophist
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 12:45 AM

America is not yet so rotten that the right can shut him up. That's why they're trying harder. I doubt if there's a man in the world who hates democracy as much as ashcroft. Give him time.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 01:58 AM

Ebbie, I've read the book, and I don't see what anyone could sue him over. Most of the things that are blatantly untrue (as when he claims some Fox News person was really born with an outlandishly geeky name), are "taken back," either in a footnote or later on in the text. The rest is opinion, and as such can't be libelous. Though I'm not a lawyer, I'd guess that if Rush Limbaugh couldn't sue Franken over a book entitled "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations," then certainly none of the name-calling in this latest book can be actionable.

By the way, keep reading. He documents some truly astounding lies!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 02:54 AM

I haven't read Franken's book, but I've heard him on a number of talk shows. This I do know: if someone sues you for libel, your defense is to prove that what you wrote is true. Perhaps those who'd love to sue Franken are afraid he might do just that!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 07:11 PM

Isn't "fair comment" also a defence? For examplke when Jesus called the Ashcrofts of his day "whited sepulchres".


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Reiver 2
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 09:35 PM

I'm looking forward to buying and reading Franken's book, but not until I finish Joe Conason's "Big Lies: The Right Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth." If anyone wants to see a series of articles along the same line, I invite you to check out my own personal blog site: http://news-opinion.blog-city.com

Reiver 2 (Bryce)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: kendall
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 09:35 PM

O'Reilly was on Dateline today, and he is furious. Claims Franken lied about him.
In Maine, at least, if you want to charge someone with slander, you must show that what they said has had a negative effect on what others think of you, that it has had a bad effect on your business. Very hard to prove.
As O'Reilly said, public figures have no protection, and that's the price he pays for being a big mouth. According to him, he has had serious threats from people who would ruin him, or hurt him. He has body guards. I wonder if he pisses THEM off?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 10:43 PM

McGrath:

Yeah, exactly what Jesus warned us of....

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrits! For ye are like unto white sepuolchers, which indeed appeal beautiful outward, but are within full of dead man's bones, and of all uncleaness. Even so ye also outwardly appear rightrous unto men but within ye are full of hypocricrisy and iniquity..." (Mark 14:5)

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 11:05 PM

We saw O'Reilly and Franken on CSPAN, both on the same stage, both pitching their new books. Franken used his time to detail the charges made in his book about O'Reilly, stating specifically when and about what O'Reilly lied.

O'Reilly was cleary pissed but his only response was an ad hominem attack on Franken. He did not dispute the facts. He only attempted to minimize the magnitude of his lie by saying he "misspoke".

It seems to us that if the facts were not true, O'Reilly or Fox would have sued or, at least, O'Reilly would have disputed them on TV. In fact, according to Franken, the reason Fox sued over the title was that O'Reilly was pissed but unable to sue over the accusations.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Nerd
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 02:36 AM

Yes, what Franken shows is that O'Reilly repeatedly used "we got two Peabody Awards" as a way to argue that his show (I can't remember the name, but not the current show) was not a "tabloid show."

But they had never won any Peabody awards.

They did win one Polk award, after O'Reilly had left the show. His claim is that he mistook the Polk for the Peabody, so it was "just an error." Franken's point is that, even if it was just an error, it happened after O'Reilly left the show, so he can hardly claim "we" won it. And, after Franken pointed out the error, why didn't O'Reilly thank him, and correct the error? Instead, he blustered and complained and harrumphed, and said to Franken "Go after me if you want." So Franken did.

But funnily enough, even though it's gotten the most publicity, that's the most trivial of all the lies the book documents.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Alice
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 01:59 PM

Here is a bit from Franken's performance at the Dean event at the Avalon the other night on an mp3 recorded in the crowd. A better quality audio/video will be up on the internet later. I'll post a link to that on the Dean blog thread.


Click here

Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 02:16 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/109845p-99223c.html


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 03:10 PM

If Michael Moore, Bill Maher and Al Franken are the "Big Three" in alternative news this country is in deep doo-doo.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 03:28 PM

...and Mort Sahl is still out there telling it like it is. All of the above are his offspring.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 03:34 PM

Obviously Mort never married to their mothers.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 09:55 PM

I've finished 'Lies', etc now. Interesting read. I'm going to donate the book to the local library so that it gets widely circulated. I do that now and again when I wish the library had more copies than they do. (It also helps keep my home library somewhat in check.)

Franken comes across well in the book. I would be interested, though, in corroboration by other people in what transpired at certain events. He does a good job of documenting his charges most of the time, but on occasion he makes statements one has to take on faith.

Incidentally, I wouldn't lump Maher, Franken and Moore together. Their politics may be similar but they are very different people. (If I were putting them in a certain order, I'd list them as Franken, Maher, Moore, with Moore being the most strident and antisocial, you might say. All imo. I'd like to know Franken and Maher- not so sure about Michael Moore. Keeps reminding me of DG...)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 10:37 PM

I'm sure you would want Franken at a party much more than Moore. BTW, I see no relation between Mort Sahl and these three lightweights. He told the truth and did (does?) shine the light on everyone. So does Lehrer. So does Stan Freeberg. So did Homer and Jethro. So did Steve Goodman, on occasions. The three mentioned here are attack dogs with little class and no self contol. They see what they can get away with and nothing more profound than that. IMHO, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: kendall
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 07:18 PM

Who watched the speech today? I forced myself to watch, and I cringe whenever he mis pronounces "Nuclear". I hope he impressed the general assenbly more than he impressed me. What a doofus.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 08:40 PM

Not want Michael Moore at a party? I'd say he'd be worth his weight in beer when it came to making it a good party.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 08:50 PM

Do you mean you're afraid he'll drink his weight in beer???


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Reiver 2
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 09:06 PM

Molly Ivins, the columnist, recalls being with both Franken and O'Reilly (they were all promoting their new books) and Franken responded to O'Reilly's aspersions by starting to document O'Reilly's lies. It ended with O'Reilly screaming, "Shut up!, Shut up!" in response to Franken's recital of O'Reilly's lies and distortions. It was probably cut from the broadcast. Not much doubt who fits the description of "attack dog", here.

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 09:30 PM

O'Reilly's book is about many subjects and is, for the most part, positive. That reflects his personality. Franken's book is 100%
"attack and destroy" journalism. He did the same job on Limbaugh and will do the same to Hannity, if the latter gets to influential.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 10:54 AM

A House Reform Committeee Database on the administration's false statements, searchable on topic, author and date. Waxman, the Representative behind it, looks like a real upstanding dude.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Hugh Jampton
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:29 AM

Believe nothing that you read, very little of what you are told and only half of what you see! Thia applies across the board.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:53 AM

"He is *very* disrespectful; he calls people names, he makes charges that, if not true, are libelous, even if sometimes hilarious."

Sounds just like reading some of the posts on this forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: SueB
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:01 PM

I just finished reading Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right' and I thought it was brilliant. It's an effective strategy, when you're dealing with a faceless corporation, to go after their representatives.

Last night I watched a piece on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart about a senator in California who wants to lower the voting age to 14. Yes, 14. They had Rob Corddry talking to a group of 14 year olds, asking them what was important to them. One said, you know, having the right clothes and stuff and fitting in with the crowd and stuff. Another said he thought Fox News was the best place to get your news, because they're 'fair and balanced' you know. He repeated the whole advertising schtick - "We Report, You Decide." He repeated
that Fox was fair and balanced, you know, not like CNN.

Heaven help us.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: DougR
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:25 PM

SueB: the reason you were so impressed had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that you with agree with Franken's point of view would it?

I think it's good that Franken writes these books. It gives the neo-lefties something to read and reinforces already made opinions.

To get back to the original title of Ebbie's thread though, I doubt anyone would sue Franken because the only people that take his books seriously are the neo-lefties that buy his books. Their minds are already made up anyway, about the people he writes about.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:37 PM

have you read franken's book and perused its documentation dougR? or do you only read books approved by your official sources? (FOX news, et.al.). just curious.
people with an interest in the truth often read news and opinion from different points of view and arrive at their own conclusions thru analysis and thought rather than parroting the party line. ever try that?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:41 PM

"To get back to the original title of Ebbie's thread though, I doubt anyone would sue Franken because the only
people that take his books seriously are the neo-lefties that buy his books."

one more thing. i guess you forgot that FOX news sued franken and their suit was laughed out of court and dismissed by the judge. i guess they must have taken him seriously. so are you calling them "neo-lefties"? (yet another meaningless term used to disparage those who disagree with the right wing party line)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:57 PM

Libel is hard to proove and only gives the other person free publicity.    O'Reilly may be pissed as the "lies" but he is laughing all the way to the bank.   His tv show is #1 watched show on cable with over 2 million viewers.   His radio show is in the top 20 most listened to radio show in the country (talker magazine) and growing.   He has 3 best selling books, with at least two of them being # 1 on the best seller list.    He has a successfull line of merchandise and a well known slogan "the spin stops here".   Doesn't sound so terrible to me.

On the other hand, you can fit all of Frankens listeners in a phone booth. (only kidding- maybe a Denny's) Franken said he is working without a salary due to finantial problems with the station.   The chief inverstor and other senior managers have left Air America.   Why would you want to give them free publicity and something to talk about?   They have so few listeners (comparitively) now- if you sue them you end up on Larry King and other mainstream venue that only expand their venue.   Far easier to let Air America die a slow death.

Talking about lies- did you see the latest about the recent LA Times poll that showed Kerry ahead by 7 points. (note- I don't want all my liberal folkie friends to slit their wrists.   this may be too painfull for you.    Therefore you may want to skip this next paragraph)

Turns out the LA TImes poll used 38% democrats and 25% republicans in their polling.    Not exactly representative with the actual demographics of the country.   Professional pollsters call this outrageous.   I call it lying.   As I said before, it is way to early to get excited about polls.    I only hope and pray that Michael Moore, Al Franken, and Barbra Streisand become the voice of the left.   Please, please, please, give them more air time, more coverage, more exposure.   In one minute they get more independents to vote for bush than 1000 bush commercials.

So we have some common gorund.   We both are cheering for Michael Moore to be in public denouncing Bush.   "You go Mike"

In the meantime, I am doing my part.   This past weekend I signed a petition to get Nader on the ballot.   I urger the volunteers to get as many signatures as possible.    I think everyone deservice to have a choice of who to vote for.    I wouldn't want to see Nader left out.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 02:31 PM

"people with an interest in the truth often read news and opinion from different points of view and arrive at their own conclusions thru analysis and thought rather than parroting the party line."

In theory, yes. In practice, it doesn't always work out. It's too easy for someone to be a parrot than a free-thinker. Thinking takes too much effort for some.

Doug isn't a parrot just because he disagrees with you. I believe he thinks about his opinions first.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 03:06 PM

Statement by President George W. Bush
"Here's what -- we've discovered a weapons system, biological labs, that Iraq denied she had, and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions."

Source: President Bush, Russian President Putin Sign Treaty of Moscow, White House (6/1/2003).
Explanation: This statement was misleading because it claimed the purpose of the trailers was to produce biological weapons without disclosing that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency who examined the trailers concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather balloons.






Statement by President George W. Bush
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

Source: Interview of the President by TVP, Poland, White House (5/29/2003).
Explanation: This statement was misleading because it claimed the purpose of the trailers was to produce biological weapons without disclosing that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency who examined the trailers concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather balloons


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 03:35 PM

"O'Reilly may be pissed as the "lies" but he is laughing all the way to the bank.   His tv show is #1 watched show on cable with over 2 million viewers.   His radio show is in the top 20 most listened to radio show in the country (talker magazine) and growing.   He has 3 best selling books, with at least two of them being # 1 on the best seller list.    He has a successfull line of merchandise and a well known slogan "the spin stops here".   Doesn't sound so terrible to me."

Gee whillikers. I'm impressed. And he has more readers than Franken. He must be telling the truth or he wouldn't be making all that money. And be so Gosh-darn popular. Golly. Or did you mean it's ok to lie as long as you get rich & famous at it? My goodness -- I was impressed but now I'm confused.

(Disclaimer: the above paragraph is intended to be satirical.)

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 07:22 PM

"Doug isn't a parrot just because he disagrees with you."

please point out where i said one is a parrot if one disagrees with me. if the cracker fits, you must aquit.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 07:31 PM

Faux news, fair and balanced between right and far right


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 08:10 PM

"His tv show is #1 watched show on cable with over 2 million viewers.   His radio show is in the top 20 most listened to radio show in the country (talker magazine) and growing.   He has 3 best selling books, with at least two of them being # 1 on the best seller list. He has a successfull line of merchandise and a well known slogan "the spin stops here". "

here's an interesting article about how many more people DON'T watch FAKE news than do...

href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0615-14.htm">http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0615-14.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:40 PM

Guest- every year less and less people are watching ABC, NBC, and CBS.   CNN is losing ground.   MSNBC and CNBC are pimples on the map.   Meanwhile fox news is growing by leaps and bounds.   I would content that the mainstream press is the less credible news source.   Jayson Blair might disagree with me   (that was sarcasm for Clint) but if we want truth in advertising we would change the name of NPR from "all things considered" to "liberal things considered"

Shame on all those Fox news people for hiring those right wing radicals Alan Combs, Greta Von Susnow (SP) Geraldo Rivera, and Susan Estrich.   Well actually, Franken tried to punch out Combs at a dinner because he wasn't liberal enough so maybe he is a right wing extremest.    I think Roger Ailes shoud not accept his outstanding media award he is getting tonight for hiring those radicals.

Clint- you completely missed my point on O'reilly.    Its not about who makes more money-him or Franken.    My point was to give the reasons why O'reilly doesn't sue him, even if Franken lies his ass off- and its a really big ass he has.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 01:01 AM

Larry

Well, I never liked Al Franken as a performer, because he seems to depend on annoying people for humor, and this is apparently part of his non-performing personality too. Tain't funny to me.

But as near as I could tell, every time he called somebody a liar in his book he documented it. I have to respect that, even if he is a bit of an asshole personally.

I'm sorry I missed your point. I did think you were judging by wealth and popularity, and it always strikes a nerve when people do that.

But the size of Franken's ass has no more to do with the accuracy of his accusations that his obnoxious personality does.

Where did he falsely accuse O'Reilly of lying?

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,A Ringer
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 04:43 AM

I have just read a "Very moving" post on a thread here from a member who immediately replied to it using his Guest "alter-ego". In it he heaped thanks and praise upon himself for sharing this wonderful experience with us (his attendance at a recent event would have touched the very fibre of your heart strings). I will spare the member the embarrassment of directing you to his posts. The work of this aspiring writer was half novel / half stand-up comedy. His observations read like something written by Frank McCourt. He even managed to play a part in it as he entered this realm of fantasy.


A quote comes to mind here, "The hardest part of dreaming is having to wake up."


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:51 AM

I know of my own knowledge that Bill O lied on at least two occasions and I dont need Franken to tell me about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:31 PM

O'Reilly is not #1 according to some other polls. This is skewed stats.

O'Reilly has built his reputation on reciting falsehoods and ad hominem attacks.
He has no authority to back up facts.

He is a media figure as Al Franken is.

O'Reilly is playing into the media penchant for ignoring facts and throwing crap.

O'Reilly gives his neo-con listeners something to reinforce their deluded ideas.

Remember that Rush, who is like O'Reilly, invented the "ditto head". Someone who won't think for themselves but parrot the Right-wing lies.

Franken is at least funny, intentionally and not unintentional funny as O'Reilly.

The country is already in deep doo doo or hasn't anyone noticed?

O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush, Ayles, Murdoch, et. al. helped to put it there.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:13 PM

O'Reilly now has the pleasure of potentially addressing his media opponents as: "Mr. Nobel Laureate" and "Senator".

So I personally want to call out that lying liar O'Reilly and see what it does for my career.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:22 PM

LOL!!

Are you saying that O'Reilly's BS was responsible for Frankin and Obama's success?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: kendall
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 05:17 AM

I hope so.That prick.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Lies and the Liars Telling Lies'
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 04:28 PM

O'Reilly was interviewed on Terry Gross's show "Fresh Air" and in particular he wanted to address the previous visit to her show by a certain Al (now Senator Al) Franken, who was talking about his book which is approximated by this thread title. O'Reilly chose to walk out of the interview toward the end of the hour, and it was broadcast as such. Terry Gross was invited to his program and she went and he tried to bully her but failed.

Terry Gross is a national resource to be proud of. O'Reilly is less of such, but he is not unusual and there are worse than him out there. I think his naked self delusion is part and parcel of the national scene of our times.


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