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Lyr Add: Get Out on the Road and Beg

Forsh 21 Sep 03 - 03:33 PM
Malcolm Douglas 21 Sep 03 - 04:41 PM
Dave Sutherland 22 Sep 03 - 04:23 PM
Mark Dowding 17 Aug 04 - 02:46 PM
Jim Dixon 20 Aug 04 - 09:02 AM
GUEST,jim bainbridge 22 Jan 12 - 01:32 PM
GUEST,jim bainbridge 08 Jul 13 - 06:17 PM
Steve Gardham 09 Jul 13 - 11:41 AM
GUEST,HughM 10 Jul 13 - 08:06 AM
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From: Forsh
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 03:33 PM

I am not sure if this exists on the data base, I have checked under the title I have, and also under 'O' for Out & 'C' for Come all ye.

Come all ye young miners, and listen to my song
And I'll tell y'how they treated me when my hewin' days were done,
When I was young, I used to be a miner like yourself,
But now t'day when me hairs turned grey they've stood me on the shelf.

CHORUS: For 50 years I'd worked in the pits & many's the change I've seen,
When I was young and a man was done, they'd set him on the screens,
But now t'day when y'hairs turned grey like a squadie with an auld peg leg,
They say that your n'use n'more, get out on the road & beg.

Me age it is just 64 but for work I've got ne chance,
And they've bard me from the championships in me clogs for the belt to dance,
They said that I was growin' auld f'dancin' I was ne use,
They telt me t'hoy me clogs away, and get in to the hard work-hoose.

CHORUS: For 50 ... etc.

So come all ye young miners, take heed of what I say,
Get out of the pits while your young enough to make out your own way,
Cos if ye divvent and y'stay below y'll wake t'find one day,
Y'r'all washed up & y've got the push because y'hairs turned grey

I hope I ain't wasted me time typin' that! :{D

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get out on the road & Beg
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 04:41 PM

A. L. Lloyd printed a set in Come All Ye Bold Miners (revised edn., 1978, 144-5): The Old Clog-Dancer's Song. He noted:

"Sung by Pete Elliott of Rickleton, Co. Durham (23 August 1976). He had the song from an old miner, Johnson Ellwood, of Chester-le-Street, Co. Durham, himself once a champion clog-dancer."

The set he prints differs a little from yours; it begins Noo then, marras, what fettle? for one thing. Where did you get it?

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get out on the road & Beg
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 04:23 PM

Johnson Ellwood used to say that the song was written by his father who put it to the tune of "The Dan Leno Hornpipe" a favourite of clog dancers. Bob Davenport recorded it on his album (I think) "Pal Of My Cradle Days" and begins "Noo Then Marras etc". This would preceed Pete's version by a couple of years

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get out on the road & Beg
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 02:46 PM

Have a look HERE to see what is presumably the original version of this song which has changed a few times over the years.
I recorded a version of it a couple of years ago but mine was what is in "Come All Ye Bold Miners" with an additional verse of what has turned out to be the chorus in the original. I'd be interested to know where the verse that starts "So come all of you pitman lads take heed to what I say..." came from and who fiddled around with the original version (maybe Pete Elliot?)


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE OLD MINER SONG
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:02 AM

Here's the text that Mark Dowding referred to. The broadside was printed in Newcastle. This song was printed without dialect, as shown, but dialect is implied by rhyming "use" with "workhouse." Another song on the same broadside is written in dialect, using "ye" for "you" and "dinnet gang doon" for "don't go down" etc.

Words, Jim Ellwood. Tune, "Dan Leno."

Good evening, friends. I greet you all, and I hope you are all well.
I have just dropped in amongst you now a story for to tell.
I used to be, when I was young, a miner like yourself,
But now today, when my hair turns grey, they have put me on the shelf.

CHORUS: So while I am amongst you now, if you'll give me the chance,
Along with me you will agree, I still can do a clog dance.
So if you'll pay attention, to please you I will try.
I'll show to you some champion step I danced in days gone by.

I have been a miner for fifty years and some changes I have seen.
When I was young and a man was done, they set him on the screens,
But now today when his hair turns grey, they kick him on the leg,
And tell him that he is no use; he can go out on the road and beg. CHORUS

Me age is just seventy-nine and for work I have no chance,
And they barred me from the championship in my clogs for the belt to dance.
They said that I am growing old; at dancing I am no use.
They told me to put my clogs away, and go into the workhouse. CHORUS

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get Out on the Road and Beg
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 22 Jan 12 - 01:32 PM

as far as I am aware, Bob Davenport took Jim Ellwood's poem, re-wrote it, and recorded it on a Trailer LP in 1971. Johnson Ellwood , champion clog dancer of Chester le Street, used to sing a 'calling-on' song before he danced,with quite different words and Bob used Johnson's tune for his revised song version of Jim Ellwood's poem. Johnson's song can be heard on a BBC LP 'Northumbrin folk'- around 1972 (I was the melodeon player for Johnson's clog dance on that). Johnson was well known and respected by Bob, and by me, and we were in his company on a regular basis at that time. The song is not by Johnson Ellwood, even if Pete Elliott thought it was )a natural mistake)- it is really a composite from various original performers!

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get Out on the Road and Beg
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:17 PM

re Johnson's 'calling on song'- I only have it verbally but it was a bit like-
'I will sing of champions of champions in their day
Who used to be not long ago but they are passed away
But there are some, and still they come on championship parade
But there was none like Dan Leno when he was on the stage..

Oh where is Dan Leno now, where is good old Dan
He used to be on the music hall, he played before the band
At dancin' he was the champion, but now his days are gone,
For men like Ward and Tom Robson for the championship have come

But just to keep memory of those champions passed away,
I'll dance for you a step or two that were done in the day
So if you'll pay attention, and LISTEN to he beat
I'll do me best to please you with the clogs upon my feet...

and straight into the dance....

Johnson won many a competition in the four Northern Counties (Durham. Northumberland, Cumberland and Westmorland)- he said that Lancashire and Yorkshire 'didn't matter'- but he never had (from my memory in the late 1960s) any of his many championship belts- as he said to me- 'Why no man, they got pawned alang the Scotswood Road-----   hard times they were...

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get Out on the Road and Beg
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 11:41 AM

What an interesting piece of history! Thanks for this. I've often heard Bob singing it. Anyone seen him lately. Last saw him about 5 years ago striding out across Camden.

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Get Out on the Road and Beg
From: GUEST,HughM
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:06 AM

It's on the L.P. "Bob Davenport and the Marsden Rattlers". The sleeve notes say that Bob made some changes to the words. It sounds to me like "get into the aad (old) workhouse".

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