FSGW Getaway Program - 2003

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 10:42 PM

"...formerly of The New Tradition" - Rita meant YOUNG Tradition. It's probably DADA, which means 2/3 of a chord.
Hey - we're gonna have 66.6% of Poor Old Horse! This is going to be a GREAT year!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 10:51 PM

Thanx Jeri.

Can you believe that Bill and I agreed to have a house concert here on Thursday? A week before the Getaway? I'm losing what little remains of my mind, between getting the house ready and trying to get the program nailed down.... But -- It's Martyn Wyndham-Reed, how could we say no? :-)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 09:57 AM

Well the Getaway is only a week away. My wife and I are flying out to New York tonight and look forward to meeting so many of you Mudcatters next weekend. I will try to log on whenever possible to keep up with the latest. See you in Darlington.

Mike

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Fortunato
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 03:15 PM

See you there, Mike. I'll be there on Saturday Morning, I expect unless Rita's moved our jam session to Sunday. chance

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: jbailes
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 10:03 AM

here is some description of the barrelhouse piano participatory workshop (which last i heard was saturday at 4). i will be at the piano with pearl bailes on mouthharp, doing old folk blues, jug band, primitive jazz, and primitive gospel. every number is a song with words (as opposed to "let's jam in E"). many have choruses, often a repeated line or lines. anyone with a song to lead to barrelhouse backup is welcome to come up to the piano and do it. we should cluster around the piano for critical mass as opposed to sitting in a big wide circle.
    the vocalist belts out a verse (and chorus if there is one) and then there is an instrumental solo or maybe a couple of them. vocals and solos alternate. vocalists (if they wish) are in charge; we follow them, try to back them up, and they designate the soloists by pointing, nodding, or calling.
    there'll be duets or trios on some of the solos/breaks. you'll hear things like: "reeds!" "harmonicas!" "washboard!" "guitars!"
"horns!" "fiddle and harmonica!" "mandolin and washtub bass!" "clarinet, recorder, and hurdygurdy!" "Bill Day!" etc. nonsoloists play supportively behind the soloists and vocalists.
leadfree corn whisky will be available.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:22 PM

dern! is it "play or BE played"?

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Fortunato
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 03:21 PM

BillD/Ferrera is there a tentative schdule somewhere?

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 04:21 PM

soon...your preferences are noted and decisions are a-making....maybe by tomorrow evening, Rita says, we can have a picture of it all. (Martyn Wyndham-Read has sung and is gone, and life is back to whatever passes for normal..*grin*)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 07:19 PM

Well, I laid out a schedule -- still have to type it though, which could take a couple of hours due to the perversity of MS-WORD....

Please note: usually, one or two or even three people help me do this -- they tend to catch some of my worst mistakes -- so I'm gonna post it but --- I suspect there's gonna be a few comments of one kind or another.

The worst problem is that there are people who volunteered to lead workshops and I don't have their names on the list.

That's because I lost your PM's and my notes are too confused to read... AFTER I get the schedule up I'll check my notes again but IF YOU DON"T SEE YOUR NAME and you thought you had a workshop, Please let me know!

The second worst problem ;-) will be if I have you scheduled to be in two places at the same time.... If so, you probably should mention it.

Rita
Who is Signing off for a bit so I can tackle typing this thing....

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: momnopp
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 07:29 PM

Oh, how cool that Heather will be there! We (Dylan and I) met her in August in NY and my 14 year old kid was completely enthralled with her. Dylan will be tickled to learn that she'll be at the Getaway.

I can't wait I can't wait I can't wait I can't wait... :)

~jumps up and down~

JudyO

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Noreen
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 07:45 PM

It's only a week away....

Don't panic, Rita!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Dani
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 09:27 PM

Rita, you probably know way more about this than I do, but I find Excel SOOO much easier for chart things. Even if they are text, it seems easier to move cells around and handle rows and columns.

I'm lifting a glass to you tonight, in honor of the hard work you do to try to give everyone everything they want!! Hope you find what YOU want, too!

Dani

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 09:40 PM

Dani, how nice. What I want -- is to get to the Getaway in a moderately rested & healthy condition for a change, and to get to actually go to a bunch of the workshops I've set up....

Anyway, go to Program and look at the "2003 Schedule Grid" paragraph and you'll see my ROUGH draft, hand written layout. (You're right Dani, anything has to be better than MS-WORD, but it was in WORD when I inherited it 5 years ago and I've never experimented with anything else.

This is not as crowded a schedule as I thought. I'll be looking for feedback and for people to identify conflicts. I'll also be open to setting up more workshops -- but, you either have to be willing to be scheduled in one of the spaces that are blank right now, or find someone who really wants to change their workshop time and location.

It takes me about 2 minutes to access each page of the grid, and the hamsters are panting pretty hard by the time it loads....

It's also a little hard to read because I used a lot of abbreviations. I never dreamed I'd be putting those little sticky-note workshop titles up on the web.... Good Though.

Rita

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 10:17 PM

HELP, Please. One of the Shellbacks PM'd me and offered to help lead Miners & Mining, said he was from a family of miners. Would love to have you lead it with Keith Baldwin, but can't find your name in my notes. Please PM me again?

Thank you,
Rita the Disorganized Organizer

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 05:46 AM

Well, I've already had to rearrange Saturday afternoon workshops in the Theater Barn and TV Room. Don't think most people had time to look yet, so no harm done.

Sea Songs (aka Nautical&Maritime) was against Rousing Choruses, which was going to bug a lot of people; and Occupational Hazards was immediately before Problematic Change, a very similar workshop. Problematic Change has been moved to Sunday.

Thanks to Nancy King for the heads-up on Sea Songs conflicting with Choruses.
- Rita

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: GUEST,Fortunato, over...
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 07:00 AM

thanks, Rita, looks good. I'll miss some good things, but there you are. Your hard work is appreciated.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 07:14 AM

"Who's Here This Year" is gonna conflict with anything else, but it can't be helped unless it's scheduled when nothing else is going on. (Fat Chance, right?) Mining & Miners and Heather Wood are just too good to miss!

Sunday, you've got the Shellbacks overlapping the Pub Sing. If it were me, I'd flip them with Country & Western so the fans of English mostly-acapella music weren't torn. Folks could just stay put for Gail's English Music Hall workshop. It would also allow the Shellbacks to sleep a little later. ;-)

Rita, for crying out loud - there isn't one time slot where there aren't at least 2 and sometimes 3 workshops I wanna go to!!!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Noreen
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 07:40 AM

Can't flip that Jeri, or Barbara would have to be in two places at one (and I don't want to miss her ballad w/shop with Judy Cook).

Might be best to let the pub sing start WITHOUT the Shellbacks, so the rest of you get a chance...?!

:0)

But as you say, I don't want to miss *anything*!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 08:02 AM

See, that's why RITA does the schedule! The problem with the two acapella workshops is that not just the leaders but the vast hordes of potential attendees. Me, at least.

Rita, an Excel worksheet would be easier for you, but more difficult to web pagify. If done as a table in MS Word, you could save it as HTML. You want one, I can help.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Tinker
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 09:42 AM

Okay I admit I'm technologically challenged... I can't find a paragraph labeled "2003 Schedule Grid" I've read and reopened this link about 10 times... even shut down the computeur and tried again. Well, I guess I'll get back to work and try again later.. Sigh

Tinker

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 09:50 AM

what DO you see at that link, Tinker? It's the 4th line down for me...and then two links to the grids themselves

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Noreen
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 10:41 AM

Saturday schedule
Sunday schedule

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Tinker
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 11:29 AM

Bill I still bring up the old post

FSGW GETAWAY
ROUGH DRAFT -- LIST OF 2003 WORKSHOPS & ACTIVITIES
Last Updated: September 29, 2003

PROGRAM. A partial and incomplete list of workshops and other activities for the 2003 FSGW Getaway is shown below. Following that are some suggestions that were made but have not been incorporated into the Getaway program as of this date.

Somehow I don't get the updated version, but others seem to be doing fine. I can use Noreen's links THANK YOU !!

Kathy

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:22 PM

Click 'Refresh'(MSIE) or 'Reload'(Netscape).

Your browser is defaulting to a page in your cache. (Translation: your browser is a bum and is showing you something it already got for you and is too lazy to look for new stuff.)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:30 PM

ahh...sure! And there 'should' be a way to tell a decent browser how often to check for cached pages, so YOU control it's habits. Different places in different browsers.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Tinker
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 01:09 PM

Thanks Jeri, it worked like a charm once I pushed the magic button !!! Now all I have to do is clone myself three or four times and store a few extra hours of sleep, and get ready for the Shellbacks, and..

Thanks again,

Kathy

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: MMario
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 02:16 PM

yup - we need a workshop in advanced cloning techniques - or a whole pack of mini-disc recorders and duplicators!

Rita - how you even BEGIN to put this schedule together I certainly don't know.

Another vote here for getting shellbacks and pub sing at different hours if possible.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 02:27 PM

Jeri, LOL at: "Rita, for crying out loud - there isn't one time slot where there aren't at least 2 and sometimes 3 workshops I wanna go to!!!" ME TOO, Jeri!

Chance, there just isn't any way to avoid frustrating people this year unless we make the Getaway a week long and hold one workshop at a time. I appreciate your leading the Old Time Country. So many people look forward to it, or to any workshop you lead, they're always memorable good times.

I have to schedule some strong workshops opposite "Who's Here" every year,too, for the people who want to get right to the music! You may have noticed I'm not leading it this year. I want the option of attending one of the opposing workshops for a change.

I could have set up roughly a dozen other excellent workshops. Thanks to all the people who volunteered and offered suggestions. As you can see, a LOT of Shellbacks volunteered and also put me in touch with Shellbacks who aren't Mudcatters, such as Stuart and Denise Savage who are joining FSGW's Gail Snider for English Music Hall.

BTW I'm changing "English Music Hall" to "Music Hall" to allow more opportunities for audience contributions, Irish-American music hall or whatever.

Mmmm... Pub Sing may need to be longer just to get around the circle. Don't know where I'd put it! Last year it was so good that we just kept it going an extra half hour into the dinner hour. :-)

Whoops, just realized there's another problem with putting Pub Sing vs the Shellback concert. Darriel and Allan would NOT like to miss the Shellbacks. They are both regulars at the Royal Mile Shanty Sings in Wheaton, MD.

The one thing I haven't done is set up quite as many sing-arounds and jams as usual. I talked to a couple of potential leaders who indicated that there will be plenty of sing-around and jams at night, and they would like to get to more of the special workshops this year.

Makes sense to me. I've actually been worried that one or two workshop leaders might say "I don't wanna do a workshop now that I see what I'll be missing elsewhere!"

Last but not least: Jeri, I've always done the table the way you suggest, type in MS-WORD then save as HTML. But we had a crash and when Bill re-installed WORD some of defaults changed. We don't even know which ones or where to go to change them.

What I'm trying to say is, I can't get the table feature to work the way it used to. Do you really think you might be able to type the tables for me? That would be so nice.

I could send you last year's table, with the text at top & bottom changed for 2003, if you can just add the relevant text to this year's grid! If you would give it a try (once we have the schedule firm) I would be very, very grateful.

Thanks to all for your wonderful support & suggestions,
Rita

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: PaulineL
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 03:47 PM

Joel, Thanks so much for telling us in advance what the barrelhouse piano workshop will be like. It sounds like great fun!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 09:31 PM

Rita, you gots my e-mail? Go ahead and sock them old files to me, mama.

Honestly, the sing-arounds are ok, but...
They're always packed and if one sits in the wrong place, there will be oodles of people ahead of you, there will be chatting in between songs, and there will be the inevitable 214 verse ballad. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) Anyway, once you're at the arse end of a line, you've got a skunk's chance on the beltway of getting to sing. That won't stop me from going to the sing-arounds though.

Strategic butt-parking: go for the middle if you can't bribe the leader. Ends are BAD. Non-scheduled singing doesn't have a time limit so folks don't feel pressed to 'get on with it'.

Sign of a good, albeit frustrating, schedule: there isn't much you DON'T want to go to.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 10:16 PM

214 verse ballad..NEIN! Ve haf vays to deal mit dose!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 07:03 PM

Wow! what a program - so many good things that there's usually 2 and sometimes three places I want to be at the same time.

And singarounds are always a problem: last night at Banbury Festival I was in a singaround from 7 to 11 and got three turns before 8.30 when it was quiet, and never got another go in the next two and a half hours when lots of others joined in.

But perhaps Singaround Optimisation should be a separate thread.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 07:28 PM

Lo, and the lovely and talented Noreen cometh to Delaware and, indeed, she bringeth the chorus of shellbacks as well. We shall sing and dance and maketh merry. "And smale fooles maken melode". And great fools as well, I trust.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 07:35 PM

About Sing-Arounds.

Workshop leaders have the choice of going around the circle, or of calling on people who are ready to sing.

There will almost certainly be some workshops this year where we don't even have time to "get around the circle." It's hard to do if you don't know the people, but DO try to give everyone a chance, especially the first-comers, before giving any individual a second or third chance to lead something. (There are sometimes a few exceptions to this: People who have to leave to lead another workshop, those who have a really huge repertoire of the type of music being featured, etc.)

The most important phrase for a workshop leader: "Who would like to lead the next song?" :) Second: "You haven't sung anything. Would you like to lead one now?"

Late night sing-arounds are another story. If you are NOT a shy person, please be thoughtful and wait a decent interval before offering to lead another song, so the shy people will have a chance to speak up.

Of course, every few years someone comes who thinks they're God's gift to the Getaway and that they owe it to us amateurs to make sure we hear a lot of their great music in the late-night sings. They probably aren't, and they don't. That's why we set up mini-concerts. Late night sings are for sharing. Well, you can only grin and bear it when it happens... But....

We really encourage taking turns. If you're feeling really shut out, stand up and say loudly, "I have a song." (only don't say that in the middle of someone else's song or people will look at you really funny....)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 07:40 PM

Jeri, No, I haven't gotten your e-mail. I'll PM you right now to be sure you have the right addy for me. I hope hope hope this will work out and you will be able to do the bulk of the grid typing! Thank you.

Nancy King and I made some changes in the grid last night, I'm working now on getting them up.

Rita

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Tinker
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 10:45 PM

Jeri, just a reminder, I owe you a rendition of your birthday song. It's now available on demand if at any point you so desire...giggle giggle.

Tinker

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 11:20 PM

BTW...at the Getaway, there are often..(read 'always') more than one late night singing spots...the boistereous folks will be in one place and the tune players in another, and the quiet accapella folks hiding in a corner... ..and folks often move between them. The dynamics of this process could be a thesis in Sociology! You all probably know how it goes.. Depending on the weather, there are LOTS of places to sing.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: momnopp
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 11:35 PM

OK, I threatened to do it and now I actually HAVE done it...I put a copy of the Silent Auction form up on my Website and anyone who wants to download it and fill it out before they hand it to me is more than welcome to do so.

Here 'tis
and then you just have to scroll down a little (depending on your screen resolution) right below the table and you'll see the link. Feel free to poke around the site while you're at it. George Rathbone, of Getaway Interactive Stories fame, is the engine behind our most successful project, Mithral Quest.

Peace,

JudyO/momnopp

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:33 AM

Tinker, I occasionally enjoy the fact I forget things. I can laugh at old jokes because I've forgotten the punch line and can re-read books because I've forgotten the ending - that sort of thing. I have NO idea what you're talking about. (No, don't explain, just sing it at some point and surprise me!)

AACK! The Silent Auction. Must make a trip to the basement, or...hang on - an idea requiring no money and a few brain cells takes shape. (Yes, I'll wipe them off before I bring the item.)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: alanww
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:28 AM

Just got back from a long weekend away at Banbury Folk Festival and haven't you been busy, Rita! Looks like the programme is nearly there to me! The problem certainly won't be searching for something I am interested in!
"T'was on one April morning ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Janie
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 12:00 PM

Will we be having the Saturday and Sunday night open mic concerts in the gym?

Janie

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 01:17 PM

we will have concerts...the Sunday night one, being smaller, 'may' be switched to the more intimate space in the TV room, near the dining hall...perhaps even without amps. Discussion ongoing.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Janie
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 10:20 AM

Refresh (2 more days----but who's counting, right?)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 12:08 PM

Last minute request for supplies and tools for instrument building:

If anyone has any of the following we would sure appreciate it in the instrument building workshop:

Tools:

Hand drills and bits (or electric).
Small files
Utility knives
Coping saws

Supplies:

Small pieces of scrap hardwood
OLD WORNOUT GUITAR, BANJO, OR DULCIMER STRINGS
Nylon Monofilament fishing line greater than 40lb test
Scrap pieces of Tyvek (used to mosture proof houses, or to mail packages)
Cookie tins
Cigar boxes
Old copper tubing or PVC conduit.
Painters buckets.

Any or all would be appreciated.

JAB

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 02:53 PM

The "final(?)" schedule grids are up! We still need to add a few descriptions of concerts etc -- and we'll actually do it, folks, if we can find the time... :-)

Many, many thanks to Jeri Corlew for typing those Grids!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Dani
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 04:06 PM

Jim,

Painter's buckets the same as pickle buckets? Five gallons?

Dani

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 04:13 PM

Pickle buckets would be great!

Also if you have any number 10 cans with the corrugated sides can you bring 2 or 3?

JAB

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 04:27 PM

Rita, I wasen't able to bring up the FSGW page with your phone number on it, so I'm going to continue to try to get you, and at the same time see if I can reach you on this thread.

I have just two change suggestions, the first is relatively minor, the second more important.

1.   If it is all possible, on Saturday, could you switch the Old Time Country Jam with the Contra Dance, for two reasons. One, the folks who have just finished their lunch may not want to swoop and scoop right after lunch. The second reason is more important. It may well develop that the folks who are particiapting in the Old Time Country Jam may decide to play in the Contra Dance and the Jam would be a wonderful warm-up for the Dance. If you have a reason, or if Chance is tied to the time slot, so be it. But if not ????

2. The second request is a bit more important. As I mentioned in some earlier threads (including one above), I was hoping that you wouldn't put Fiddle Styles opposite the Waltz class, as it would drain any of the desperately needed fiddlers away from the dance class. As it is, there is a half hour overlap with the Fiddle Styles class. Would it be possible to switch the Country and Western class with the Waltz class? Switching the Fiddle Styles class with the following Songwriters Show Case won't work as it would still leave the half an hour overlap.

I'm sorry to get to you this way, but my only computer (at work) has not been cooperative, and I needed to get through to you.

By the way, I sent full boat ($161.00) a couple of weeks ago with no confirmation, but I will bring my checkbook and cash if there has been some sort of glich. Thanks, Don

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: GUEST,Nancy King at work
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 04:48 PM

Jim, I've got a whole lot of cookie tins of various sizes I've been trying to get rid of! I'll bring 'em along, if you'll promise I won't have to take 'em back home!

Nancy

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway Program - 2003
From: Ferrara
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 11:29 PM

Claymore, I have switched Waltzing with Country & Western on Sunday. Fiddle tunes will overlap C&W but only for half an hour.

I didn't switch Contra Dance and the Old Time Country Jam, though. I'm just afraid of introducing new complications. Maybe I'm fretting too much (first time ever!) but I'd rather leave it this way.

I also switched Derek Seed's "Problematic change" to come before the Pub Sing. This is to allow the Pub Sing to continue for 2 hours if the energy is there. I didn't want to schedule it for 2 hours, just to leave room for more.

This only leaves Derek half an hour between the Shellback Chorus and his workshop but that's usually enough even with the hills at Ramblewood! At least it's a downhill walk between the two.:-)

Rita