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allan.S 31 Aug 98 - 01:03 PM
The Shambles 31 Aug 98 - 01:23 PM
Bert 31 Aug 98 - 01:44 PM
Joe Offer 31 Aug 98 - 02:57 PM
dick greenhaus 31 Aug 98 - 07:58 PM
northfolk 31 Aug 98 - 10:44 PM
dick greenhaus 01 Sep 98 - 12:24 PM
Jerry Friedman 01 Sep 98 - 01:02 PM
Name withheld due to extreme embarassment 01 Sep 98 - 01:17 PM
northfolk 01 Sep 98 - 01:50 PM
Bert 01 Sep 98 - 03:20 PM
Bert 01 Sep 98 - 03:23 PM
Joe Offer 01 Sep 98 - 03:58 PM
Allan s 01 Sep 98 - 09:47 PM
Bert 02 Sep 98 - 09:03 AM
Jon W. 02 Sep 98 - 11:16 AM
Barbara 02 Sep 98 - 06:12 PM
Max 02 Sep 98 - 07:13 PM
Allan S 02 Sep 98 - 07:25 PM
Joe Offer 03 Sep 98 - 05:13 AM
Bert 03 Sep 98 - 08:59 AM
Jon W. 03 Sep 98 - 10:25 AM
Bill D 03 Sep 98 - 02:17 PM
Max 03 Sep 98 - 02:49 PM
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Subject: I've got the foremans job at last
From: allan.S
Date: 31 Aug 98 - 01:03 PM

does anyone know the name and words of a parody of an english labor song that has the words "YOU CAN SHOVE THE WORKERS UP YOUR ASS I'VE GOT THE FOREMANS JOB AT LAST' What was the name of origional song

Allan S.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Aug 98 - 01:23 PM

The Red Flag.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bert
Date: 31 Aug 98 - 01:44 PM

The way I heard it was "The working class can kiss my ass, I'v egot the Foreman's job at last"
Never did hear any more (does it need any)
Bert


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Aug 98 - 02:57 PM

Well, it's certainly not the version of The Red Flag that we have in the database. It's kinda nice to go the wrong driection when I'm looking for things in the database - I come across all sorts of great songs I didn't know were there.
Anybody got the words to the song that was requested? Maybe it's a parody of "Red Flag."
-Joe Offer-

Yup, it's a parody - click here.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 31 Aug 98 - 07:58 PM

Ah, titles. Try a search on foreman* and guess what you'll find.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: northfolk
Date: 31 Aug 98 - 10:44 PM

The origin was from a question to Pete Seeger in the Incompleat Folksinger, Are there any right wing folk songs? the answer was that he knew of this one, The working class can kiss my ass, I've got my foreman job at last.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 12:24 PM

There may not be many right-wing songs per se, bet there were a whole bunch of anti-left-wing andf anti-union songs. One problem is that collectors tended to have a leftish bias, and didn't include material from the other side. This has also been a problem with finding Irish Protestant songs, American Tory songs and such like.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 01:02 PM

I think there'd be no trouble finding KKK songs. Some people would consider recruiting songs right-wing. Apart from "Lillibulero", Orangemen's songs probably count as right-wing too (which is not to say that Irish Protestants are all politically or economically conservative).


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Name withheld due to extreme embarassment
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 01:17 PM

Anybody here seen my old friend Adolph?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He fried a lot of people, but the good they die young
I just looked around and he's gone

IT'S PARODY, folks! NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: northfolk
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 01:50 PM

I believe that some things are so objectionable that it is inappropriate to "joke" about.

In my previous message I didn't mean to imply that the foreman song was the only right wing folk song, just that I read and remembered that reply, from many years back.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bert
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 03:20 PM

Name withheld - don't be shy. We'll give you a hard time even if we don't know your name.

northfolk - Where to draw the line is always a problem. I have a song that started with a sick joke here but most people seem to like it.

If you don't like it, just ignore it.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bert
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 03:23 PM

Whoops, I guess I didn't finish that link correctly.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 03:58 PM

I like the song, Bert. the plastic flower industry might object, but I think it makes a good point about our "plastic" society. The tune is "Streets of Laredo"??
-Joe Offer-

P.S., it was just an angle bracket missing from your link.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Allan s
Date: 01 Sep 98 - 09:47 PM

Thanks to everyone who answered my request on the parody of 'the red flag' YES there was a book of songs called"THE BOSSES SONG BOOK or Songs to stifle the flames of Discontent" collected by DAVE VAN RONK AND RICHARD ELLINGTON 1959 I bought it at the Folklore Center on Mac Dougal st. in the Village How about a paradoy of Hold The Fort Called Hold The Line There is a group in this hear town That realy goes too far Theve traded in there Ph.Ds For a folk Guitae Cho: Sing a song for Peoples Artists Balladiers Unite Buy your latests Peoples Songbook There's a Hoot to night

I do object to song about Adolph most of my distant relatives died at Belsec camp in 1941 THey were alive one day and ashes the next Allan S.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bert
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 09:03 AM

Joe,
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. The tune is livelier that Streets of Laredo I'll see if I can get Max to digitize it for me.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Jon W.
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 11:16 AM

I'm going to exercise my courage now and step forward to take responsibility for the "Adolph" doggerel, and explain my thought process in coming up with that. It was meant in my mind to poke fun at the KKK and neo-nazis who idolize the biggest idiot so far in the history of the world. I want to be perfectly clear that I despise racism in all forms including anti-Semitism.

At the same time, I dislike the "holier-than-thou" attitude of so many left-of-center folks who think that everyone to the right of them, politcally, are a bunch of greedy money grubbing so-and-so's out to stick it to the poor, the downtrodden, and the minorities. For instance, where are the folk songs praising Eisenhower for sending in Federal troops to uphold the Supreme Court's decision to integrate the schools in Brown vs. Board of Education? Is the good he did forgotten because he was a Republican?

For a good scholarly treatment of why the two sides can't seem to see eye-to-eye, I recommend the book "A Conflict Of Visions" by Thomas Sowell.

For another parody poking fun at the right wing, there was a Saturday Night Live skit from the 1980 US Presidential election called "Invasion of the Mind Snatchers". In it, a newly-conservative folkie sang, to the tune of "Blowin' in the Wind", "How many times must the taxes be raised/Before they are forever banned?/The answer, my friend, is Ronald Reagan/The answer is Ronald Reagan."

Jon W.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Barbara
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 06:12 PM

Right wing folk songs? Ever heard of Folk Heroes by the Foremen? Well, I suspect these guys are actually very left, but the album is really sharp tongued satire, and the songs are ostensibly right of center and either very funny or very scary or both.
Here's a sample:
Ain't No Liberal (in rocking black gospel style). I saw a blinding flash of light
So I pulled over to the first church on the right
I feel so good, ain't no doubt,
I wanna laugh and shout about it But I ain't no liberal no more
OR

Do the Clinton ( a funky fifties tune with sax solo, sounds a bit like ‘The Freddy') Come on and slide over to the middle,
Straighten up and step light
Lean it to the left a little,
Now lean a LOT to the right.

There's a bunch of other funny but slightly dated songs like "Ollie, Ollie, Off Scott Free ", Russian Limbaugh,(Vladimir Schzyrinovsky) and "Firing the Surgeon General (remember the woman who got canned for saying that masturbation is healthy, normal?)(Well, guess what ‘Firing the surgeon general' is a euphemism for.) Which song is one of the funniest compendiums of terms for self abuse ever. Pat the Robertson? Free the willy?
And the CD closes with their Anthem for the 90s: Everyman (For Himself) sung in the same inspirational style as, say, When You Walk Through a Storm....
The 1995 CD is Reprise, and it may still be available, but the group has broken up. They remind me of some of those songs The Chad Mitchell Trio used to do on TW3 like John Birch Society ("Here to fight for the right to fight the right fight for the Right), does that date me or what?
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Max
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 07:13 PM

Hi Joe, me and bert are singing it up and decided to record a couple. Here's the Plastic Flower Seeds (me singing and playing). It's in Real Audio format. If you don't know what that is or don't have the plugin, get with it. Please. We'll help you, it's worth it.

Plastic Flower Seeds


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Allan S
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 07:25 PM

Jon W Sorry if I offended you And I aggree with what you said. I have a friend who sang every song about the "Landlords sucking the blood of the workers" Due to a death in the family she became an instant Landloard When she was complaining about the dammage to the family homestead I replied "Guess what now you are one" The look on her face was unbelieveable. Thanks again for all the help to every one Allan S


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 05:13 AM

Hey, the recording sounds great, Bert and Max. So, who's the voice, and who's the guitar? Was that a different voice giving the copyright announcement at the end, or was that the singer?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bert
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 08:59 AM

That is all Max, singing and guitar AND the voice at the end.

Bert


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Jon W.
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 10:25 AM

Allan, I don't take offense so easily, and I apologize for the pain you felt because of my previous posting. The Holocaust was a horrifying, sickening thing and the most horrifying thing about it is that apparently mankind has not learned our lesson - see Cambodia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Indonesia for a few examples.

Jon W.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 02:17 PM

regarding the "Plastic Flower Seeds" link I tried to play it..no use.....I had Real Audio 3..it worked fine...then I saw ads for RA4.."Ok," says I, I'll upgrade and have MORE fun!" I downloaded it...it BOMBED..would NOT work...so I deleted it and went and found an archive with RA3 still available and re-loaded IT...It worked fine...ONCE!...then it started bombing..as in crashing my whole system and making me re-boot..

Max..or anyone...do you have any idea why I cannot make RA3 work again..(yes, I AM still using Win3.1, but I can get almost anything to work on it that is supposed to...except Real Audio...*sigh*)


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Max
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 02:49 PM

Not sure. Real Audio is up to version 5 now though for most OS's and the new G2 version (beyond 5) for windows 95. You can find it and about it at www.real.com.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 03:58 PM

Bill, I think you must properly uninstall previous RealAudio versions before you install a later version. I think there's an uninstall utility included with the package you download. Good luck.
Say, that's pretty good singin' Max. Does Bert pay you well?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Max
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 04:32 PM

I pay Bert to listen.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 09:49 PM

ok, Joe..I guess I may not have gotten it all un-installed...I found the list of files on RA's site which have to be cleared...will start over...thanks...(I don't think RA5 etc..are gonna work with WIN3.1)


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Jon W.
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 10:53 AM


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 11:44 AM

Jon...ordinarily, you just right click on the RA file and save it to your drive...but for that situation, I guess you'd have to transfer it by floppy to the other machine...it OUGHT to be possible...

(BTW..I 'think' I managed to clear all the RA files and am now trying RA 5.0...the demo worked..and I am just about to re-try the 'seeds' link...*crossing my VT fingers)


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 11:55 AM

hoooray....!!!!!!!! it worked...(guitar louder than the voices, but a FINE song!!) With my poor old ears, I'll need to have the words beside me, but modern tecnology being what it is, I can handle that...

(boy, Real Audio does NOT allow any deviation for their stuff to work...thanks to Joe for encouraging me to do a thorough delete of earlier files...the 'un-install' program only gets the stuff in the RA folder...there are files all over the 'Windows' and 'windows system' folders)

Now I am fighting the urge to listen to RA stuff all day instead of 'doing my duties'....*grin*


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Jon W.
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 01:10 PM

Bill: thanks for your response, however it doesn't work that way.

Right clicking (or shift-left clicking) just saves a tiny file to wherever I save it to, with the text
pnm://media.mudcat.org:7070/plastic.rm
in it. I think this file is a link to the real file. My question is, is the real file available for download somehow?


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 01:39 PM

That's the same thing I get, Jon. There's a setting on RealEncoder that's not immediately understandable, "selective recording," that must be checked in order for people to be able to save a recording on their computer. Apparently, Max didn't have that box checked, so all you can download is a link to the online recording. I got that confused myself last week and e-mailed a RealAudio recording to somebody, and they couldn't save it. Now we know.
RealEncoder is free, and it's a great way to e-mail recordings to people. If you record a WAV, the file size is humongous. RealAudio recordings are about 10% of the size of a WAV, and the sound quality is pretty darn good.
Now, Gene has been using something called "layer-3.wav" files, or something like that - maybe those are the mp3 files people have spoken of. The sound quality of those is excellent, and the file size is reasonable. I haven't found a recorder for those that I like as much as RealEncoder, though - mostly because I haven't taken the time to find one, I think.
Gene is going to flash me an e-mail two minutes from now and tell me that if I just downloaded this or that and the other thing, I'd be able to post recordings of myself singing in bifurcated quadraphonic sound....but I'm not sure the world is ready for that. [chuckle....]
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Max
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 02:02 PM

I did have selective record checked. Perhaps Real Audio is messing with things, because I have the $$ version of the player and it has a record button to grab the files that I want. Perhaps we have discovered a limitation designed to get you to buy the good player. I'll fool around and see if I can come up with something. In the mean time you can save Plastic Flowers by holding your shift key in and clicking here. I am sure I do not have to ask you to preserve the integrity of Bert's intellectual property... right?


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 02:26 PM

Ok...I give up...I had RA Player open for 2 hours and did all sorts of neat stuff...then closed it...and now it will not re-open! Just like before.I get a 'stack fault' message...Is this just a memory problem? Maybe I can only use RA when my machine is 'fresh' and has not got other stuff in RAM...*shrug*...more experiments..


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Bert
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 03:51 PM

Here are my thoughts on intellectual property.

1. I would consider it an honor if you sing one of my songs for any non profit reason.
2. I won't get too upset if you sing one at a bar and get paid a buck or two as long as you are not getting rich at it.
3.Give me credit when introducing the song.
4. If you make a recording (cassette or CD) I won't charge you for the first 500. More than that would be standard royalties.

How about making this, or something like it, the Mudcat code of honor?

Bert.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: Max
Date: 05 Sep 98 - 07:08 PM

Here here bert, I think this deserves a thread of its own.


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Subject: RE: I've got the foremans job at last
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Sep 98 - 11:23 AM

Intellectual property is something like fertilizer. It doesn't do anyone any good until you spread it around.

Thanx, Bert


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Foreman's Job
From: GUEST,cindy coleman
Date: 05 May 11 - 02:54 PM

hi. did anyone actually come up with the words to the foreman's job?
what i remember from my childhood is,
"the flag that's red, is red with ink,
it hangs behind the kitchen sink,
the working class can kiss my ass,
i've got the foreman's job at last.
there is at least one more verse that i remember hearing, but i don't recall it now.....does anyone out there know it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Foreman's Job
From: Joe_F
Date: 05 May 11 - 06:03 PM

The couplet beginning "The working class..." appears to be better known than any of the many songs to which it has been attached. (I heard it, by itself, in Scotland in 1959.) Here's another, from _The Dirty Song Book_:

The Red Flag

While walking across the rocks so bare,
I saw a maiden lying there.
And as she lay in sweet repose,
    A breath of wind blew up her clothes.
    A sailor who was passing by
Lifted his hat and winked his eye.
And then he saw, to his despair,
She had the red flag flying there.

    The working class can kiss my ass,
    I've got the foreman's job at last.
    I'm off the job, I'm on the dole --
    You can shove the Red Flag up your hole.

The sailor would not be denied,
He said, "By God, I'll slip inside
He stripped down to his underwear,
And soon his ass was shining bare.
    The maiden she was not perturbed,
    Not in the slightest bit disturbed,
For come what may, full well she knew
The brave red flag would see her through.

The sailor he was shivering,
His mighty prick was quivering,
But soon he knew he'd met his match,
He could not penetrate her snatch.
    Try as he might, his path was blocked.
    All he could do was fire half-cocked.
To quit the fray he did prepare,
And leave the fucking red flag there.

The moral of this tale is plain,
But pardon me if I explain:
In love or was -- it matters not,
You never, never waste a shot.
    The sailor's judgement was at fault.
    To penetrate the maiden's vault
With red flag flying, let it pass --
Just shove it up the maiden's ass.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Foreman's Job
From: GUEST,cindy coleman
Date: 06 May 11 - 02:25 PM

guess that's a little more than i wanted to know.
the other part, "i'm off the job, i'm on the dole"---was as much as i remember hearing. but thanks, that answers my question.


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