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Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 08 Oct 03 - 08:43 PM
Joybell 08 Oct 03 - 08:53 PM
Clinton Hammond 08 Oct 03 - 09:05 PM
Sorcha 08 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM
Rapparee 08 Oct 03 - 09:55 PM
Amergin 08 Oct 03 - 11:09 PM
Bill D 08 Oct 03 - 11:28 PM
LadyJean 08 Oct 03 - 11:42 PM
Stilly River Sage 08 Oct 03 - 11:50 PM
open mike 09 Oct 03 - 12:28 AM
mack/misophist 09 Oct 03 - 01:47 AM
Grab 09 Oct 03 - 09:01 AM
GUEST 09 Oct 03 - 10:00 AM
GUEST,minestro 09 Oct 03 - 10:40 AM
GUEST,catsphiddle@work 09 Oct 03 - 12:27 PM
katlaughing 09 Oct 03 - 12:49 PM
Morticia 09 Oct 03 - 01:09 PM
open mike 09 Oct 03 - 03:28 PM
katlaughing 09 Oct 03 - 04:10 PM
Rapparee 09 Oct 03 - 05:52 PM
Bev and Jerry 09 Oct 03 - 06:08 PM
Bev and Jerry 09 Oct 03 - 06:10 PM
Clinton Hammond 09 Oct 03 - 06:34 PM
GUEST,Ely, deprived of cookie 09 Oct 03 - 07:28 PM
LadyJean 09 Oct 03 - 11:35 PM
Mudlark 10 Oct 03 - 12:49 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 23 Apr 04 - 12:05 AM
The Fooles Troupe 23 Apr 04 - 01:51 AM
Jim McCallan 23 Apr 04 - 02:04 AM
Jim McCallan 23 Apr 04 - 02:06 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 23 Apr 04 - 01:41 PM
darkriver 24 Apr 04 - 04:51 AM
Strollin' Johnny 24 Apr 04 - 05:41 AM
JohnInKansas 24 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM
MudGuard 24 Apr 04 - 08:55 AM
Peace 24 Apr 04 - 02:01 PM
Gareth 24 Apr 04 - 02:20 PM
Strollin' Johnny 24 Apr 04 - 04:36 PM
Scoville 24 Apr 04 - 05:54 PM
Strollin' Johnny 25 Apr 04 - 03:28 PM
Carly 26 Apr 04 - 03:27 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 26 Apr 04 - 05:01 PM
Shanghaiceltic 26 Apr 04 - 06:05 PM
GUEST,filling out card this week 26 Apr 04 - 08:39 PM
Amos 26 Apr 04 - 10:23 PM
open mike 26 Apr 04 - 11:44 PM
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Subject: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 08:43 PM

Do you carry a organ doner card, if not why not?
I carry a doner card, and i am registered on the NHS Donatioin register.
As far as i am concerned, if i am dead, and my heart, or any other bits can help somebody live, then thats good.
I cant understand anyone that objects to tjis, if anyone does, please explain why.
anyway, i think they should be allowed to take waht they want without asking.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Joybell
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 08:53 PM

My Dear-one and I are arranging to have our bodies taken away by a medical school. Any usable bits will be made available as donations first. My True-love rather favoured letting the students play practical jokes with bits of him but they expect you to be serious about the whole thing and won't use your body at all if you say things like that.
I like these light-hearted threads jOhn. Is your brain going somewhere useful like to another Mudcatter so that it can still carry on where you leave off?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:05 PM

It should be manditory...


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM

I agree, Clinton. If any of my 'stuff' is still useable, they are welcom to it. I am signed up for this in the US. My heart and lungs are probably shot to hell, but maybe my skin and corneas will be of use to somebody.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:55 PM

Folks can use any part of me that's still usable after I'm done with it -- but not before! Well, maybe under exceptional circumstances....

But heck, I doubt that there'll be much left, 'cause I intend to wear it all out first.

(Yes, I'm a donor and have been for years.)


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 11:09 PM

yeah im a donor....if im dead what good will it do me?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 11:28 PM

My wife, the wonderful Ferrara, (Rita) got a new heart and is healthy today because someone made the decison 7 years ago. Barry Finn got a liver....it is a good thing to share what you no longer need with others. Thank you, JOhn...


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 11:42 PM

On December 20, 1997, after a long struggle, I finally got my first driver's license. (I was considerably more than 16.) I was so happy when I passed the test, I would have given the examiner a kidney right then and there, if he had asked. So, of course, I checked the organ donor option on the license!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 11:50 PM

Good news, indeed, Bill D; I've enjoyed a few posts from Rita. I just this evening I was just pondering what to do with a couple of extra donor permission cards I picked up at the driver's licence office last time I was in. (I'm cleaning my home office--a serious undertaking since everything is a treasure!) I'll take the cards to work and leave them for others to use. My license has said "donor" for a long time now. (And some things, like bone marrow, you can share while you're still here!)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: open mike
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 12:28 AM

aS FAR AS i KNOW, driver license are usually for
organ donations only, for the whole enchilada
you may need to sign up ahead of time (and who
knows when THE TIME will be??!! with your closest
medical college or university. In Nebraska, where
I dealth with this when my parents left their bodies
behind, the agency was the Anatomical Board, and
there were restrictions as to how far away from
their facility they were able to transport you.
You need to have a witnesses form on file with
them. The way it worked with us was that their
ashes were returned nearly a year after thier
passing. In the area i live in now, the closest
medical studies are nealry 100 miles away. I
have checked into the proceedure, and it is
different. A most generous gift, and the medical
students really appreciate it, and I am not sure
if they want you to give any parts away before they
do their studies in the anatomy lab, cuz they want
to see how it all fits together...
body donation @ u.c. davis


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: mack/misophist
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:47 AM

Me too. However I read recently that the demand for cadavers for med schools is way down because of new teaching methods. I should check on the status of my donation.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Grab
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 09:01 AM

I don't. However my wife and I are agreed that anything left will be broken up for parts (if both of us die, my parents are similarly minded as well).

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 10:00 AM

Yup, they can have anything of mine that'll help - except my wallet which won't (apart from holding the donor card)

Here in the UK we've just had to fill in our annual(?) electoral registration document (who lives in our house that is eligible for the vote) and included with it was a permission form in hopes to get a better take up than just picking up a card and carrying it.

We've only the last few years gone on to card/photo style driving licences.Any UK folks with one know if the donor side is part of the new design?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,minestro
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 10:40 AM

Well I don't fancy it. I'm not sure where my sould resides, so I'm not sure I want to leave any bits of me lingering in someone else. Not a popular opinion I know, but I am entitled to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,catsphiddle@work
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 12:27 PM

Im on the donor list however I don't know what will be of any use but when I dead....and ONLY when I am dead they can have my bits....


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 12:49 PM

I, too, have been signed up for years, as has Rog and our kids. The only thing I want to be sure of is if my niece or sisters need my eyes, they get first crack at them. For that matter my niece could have first crack at anything else, too; well, so could the rest of my family.:-)

Thanks, John, this is a good reminder.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:09 PM

While we're on the subject ( and yes, John, I do carry a donor card and my friends and family all know how I feel about this which is more important because their permission will be asked whether you carry a card or not)....who gives blood regularly?

On two occasions in my life I wouldn't be here now if it weren't for some dear soul who took the time and trouble to donate. If you can but you don't, think about it, please?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: open mike
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 03:28 PM

and blood donation is pooible in several different ways:
whole blood,
platelets,
and marrow

.blood source


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 04:10 PM

I would Mortee, but they won't let me.:-)M'blood's too rich!**bg**


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 05:52 PM

I donated seven (7) US gallons (or 26.4979 liters) of blood in South Bend, Indiana, and since I've been here in Idaho I'm out a liter.

When I left South Bend I asked for my blood back, but they just laughed.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 06:08 PM

There are religious reasons not to donate organs. For example, one cannot be buried in a Jewish cemetery unless the body is totally in tact.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 06:10 PM

Here is John Prine's opinion on the matter.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 06:34 PM

"There are religious reasons not to donate organs"

And they are so abhorrent that they should be outlawed!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,Ely, deprived of cookie
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 07:28 PM

Just make sure your next-of-kin knows that that is what you want, because even if you have a donor card or it says on your license you're a donor, if your next-of-kin balks, it can be an obstacle.

Personally, they can have anything they want of me when I'm done with it. My mom needs kidneys and she won't take one from me, so it will have to come from someone else. I'd have to be a pretty big butthead to want someone else's kidneys for her but not be willing to leave mine to the next on the list.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: LadyJean
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 11:35 PM

Something over a hundred years ago, my great uncle John, who was studying medicine at Johns Hopkins sent a cadaver home. He wanted it for a skeleton. (He became a very fine orthopedic surgeon.) But it didn't occur to him to tell his mother. Boy did she get a surprise when she opened the barrell!
This has nothing to do with the thread, but I thought people could do with a laugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Mudlark
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:49 AM

I've been a donor for years, ever since a good friend gained many years from a cadaver kidney transplant. As i get older, probably less and less can be used, but it does sort of beg the question...what to do with the bits that are left. My choice is cremation, so it matters little the volume of the cremrems, but what about those that chose an open casket????

I just gave blood for my own upcoming hip operation, and was appalled to learn that if I dont need it (which PG I wont) it will be trashed. Apparently because it's one's own blood, it doesnt go thru the rigorous testing of "donated" blood, which now includes SAR and West Nile Virus screening. I'm not allowed to donate because of lupus.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:05 AM

I reckon Clinton is right about this, [any religon that says you can't save a life must be a load of bollocks].


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:51 AM

So who wants to donate their pipe organ to me?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 02:04 AM

They have my full authority to take whatever is useable, and to disregard the rest. If I can only ever do one good deed in my life, I could think of no better one to do.

I have some concerns about the overall concept, though. In that I'm not in favour of the removal of organs without the prospective donors' prior approval. Dignity is important at death, and the recent Alder Hey case in England has given a few of the ethical concerns a bit of debating room, over the last few years.

Pretty soon now, organs will probably become more and more cloned, as that science moves further.
But that's a whole other day's talking.

Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 02:06 AM

I have a Hammond organ which you can have NOW!!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:41 PM

Anyway, don't jewish people believe in circumcision?
so how can they be buried intact?

is this true, or just some rumour you heard?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: darkriver
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 04:51 AM

In many of the United States, there is something called the Advance Directive, which is a legal statement that you (1) do or (2) don't want to have "heroic measures" used to keep you alive when you're in a coma or otherwise unable to advocate for yourself.

These forms also include wishes for post-death disposition of your body. It makes it easier for your survivors/loved ones to know what your wishes are, and gives them legal clout to make sure that hospitals, etc., follow your wishes. You give copies to your doctor, your spouse, etc.

These forms might be a more clear way of expressing your donor wishes than those drivers license donor cards.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 05:41 AM

Seems wrong though that, even if you carry a donor card and check all the boxes on various forms and tell uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all that you want to donate your organs, your surviving relatives can veto it! It's bog-all to do with anyone else and your wishes should be honoured.

IMHO
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM

In my own state (of residence) they usually remember to ask when you get a new drivers license whether you want them to check the box that says you wish to donate your parts and pieces. Unfortunately, it has been held that this does not constitute a "binding" certification, unless signed and witnessed appropriately. Since they laminate the license before you get it, it's impossible to fill in the blanks that are there, so as a practical matter, the driver's license endorsement can never be a "completed instruction."

The result is that you can only consider the endorsement on your license as a "suggestion that they look for" a valid and enforceable declaration in some other form, usually in a will or, as mentioned above, an "Advance Directive," properly prepared. A will is NOT generally a good place to put such instructions, since it may be "sealed pending probate," or otherwise tied up, and not available when the instructions are needed.

Few people actually get around to preparing, and making known, the necessary "real permissions."

A fairly high percentage of people here have had the donor box checked on their driver's licenses, and happily believe that their leftover parts will be put to use. Sadly, in the great majority of cases, they will not be. The cases in which donor organs are actually used come mainly from permission given by a surviving spouse or parent, either of which is usually "presumed" to be able to speak for a deceased person "in the absence of documented intent of the deceased."

John


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: MudGuard
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 08:55 AM

minestro wrote:
I'm not sure where my soul resides, so I'm not sure I want to leave any bits of me lingering in someone else.

Is it better if the pieces where the soul might reside in are eaten by maggots and worms or bacteria?

I carry my organ donator document with me in my wallet - and my relatives are informed about my wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 02:01 PM

Doner card in my wallet.

The University of Alberta Medical School can have the rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Gareth
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 02:20 PM

Contribution Card in my pocket.

Used to be blood doner untill I came into contact with Wiels disease, then "Not unless your group is really needed, and we will tell yer when" - It appears I is rather 'Common'.

Familly have no doubt as to my instructions,

But - in view of my medical problems - Including Diabetes and Angina, wot can be recycled ??

I can see it now.

Doctor - "Mr X - you have a new heart. unfortunatley the donor suffered fron Angina. You have a new pancrease, unfortunately the donor suffers fron Diabetes 2, We've also given you a new set of lungs, unfortunately the donor smokes 40 a day."

Patient - "Pardon ???"

Doctor - " Ah Yes - The donor of your new inner ear suffered from Tintinus"

Joshing aside - Pledge to donate - after all when youve gorn yer wont need the spare parts !

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 04:36 PM

What is a blood doner - something like a fast-food black pudding?
I think you people mean DONOR! LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Scoville
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 05:54 PM

[Former Ely, until I couldn't get my damn cookie to reset and had to change aliases]

BTW, my mother got a kidney two weeks ago from a [living] friend of ours from meeting. It's made a world of difference for her. Her blood chemistries are better than they've been probably in 30 years, even on dialysis, and the transplant seems to have cleared up a huge list of mystery symptoms she had. If that helps change anybody's mind in favor of donation . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 25 Apr 04 - 03:28 PM

It was a funny. Blood DONOR spelt Blood DONER - Doner Kebab, sold in a fast-food joint - Black Pudding is made from pig's blood.......oh forget it. I'll get back to the potting shed...........

Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Carly
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 03:27 PM

I am Jewish, and although I am not Orthodox and do not observe the dietary laws, I have had some religious education. It is my understanding that in Jewish law, saving or preserving life takes precedence. Thus, on fast days, those who are ill are not only permitted, but required, to eat or drink as necessary. If there is famine and the only thing to eat is a pig, you feed your children pork in order to preserve their lives. As far as I am concerned, organ donation falls under this category. I admit that I am prejudiced; my dear friend Rita is still with us because of a generous gift of a heart, and my brother-in-law is alive today and able to hold his first grandson in his arms because of a liver transplant done at a time he thought he would not live to see his son, the baby's father, graduate from high school. Please, consider being a donor.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:01 PM

Thanks for the explanation Carly.
If you lost an arm or a leg in an accident or a war, could you still be buried in the jewish cemetray if you wanted to be?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:05 PM

I will happily have any organs taken from my body after death. However I think a quick MOT on the liver might be a good idea ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,filling out card this week
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:39 PM

But what would happen if you cross over to the other side after death, and find out you need all the stuff you just donated, could be a bit of a problem.

f.o.c.t.w.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:23 PM

Bushwaw. Parts is parts. It's like wondering if you'll need the radiator from that '58 Willys you scrapped when you were 19.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: open mike
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:44 PM

if you lose an arm or a leg, can it be buried in your plot prior to the rest of you?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:59 AM

when I am dead they can help themselves to anything that might be of use.

My wife says I am heartless and bloodless.

Liver shot through the drink.

Thick skinned tough as old boots.

Brainless.

Deaf and dumb when I want to be and all ears when necessary.

Any takers?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Carly
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 06:22 PM

To tell you the truth, I have no idea what the Orthodox Jewish rule is for lifetime amputations and later burial. My guess....the issue involving non-mutilation of bodies seems to me to go back to the idea that someday the Messiah will come, and all will be raised up to dwell in a world of peace and justice. This is a tougher job if those bodies are scattered, or cremated ( a practice also against Jewish tradition.)( And I suppose even more complicated if two people used the same organ!) But if you managed to get by after the war, or other "honorable" loss of limb, hopefully you would be able to get by in the next age. Or maybe the Lord takes care of this; I don't know, but I would love to have a rabbinical comment on the subject.
Jews in my experience do not spend too much time on afterlife issues; getting through this life is enough of a challenge!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 12:27 PM

I'm REAL glad Rita got the heart - one of my babies came from her a couple of years ago.

I'm not a donor. Never gave it a thought.

When Jan and I lost our son we donated his parts, some of them anyway, to others. He was a giving person and we felt that would have been his wish. It was a difficult decision to make coming on the heels of his death.

Of the five folks that got parts three died, one we don't know, and a 12 y/o little boy is off dialysis for the fist time since birth. So I reckon it was worth it.

And my opinion is we do not "save" lives. We all die at some point in time in this pysical world. We can prolong or enhance life by the things we do. Not meaning to fan any flames with this comment - just always bothered me that folks thought we could "save" life.

The only life I am interested in "saving" is the one that comes with Salvation through my Lord Jesus Christ.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: steve in ottawa
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 02:20 AM

Full body.

Never considered too carefully whether checking that box on my driver's licence was sufficient. Guess I'll have to check that out.

And start giving blood again...at some point I heard they didn't want your blood for two years after starting a new heterosexual monogomous relationship and I just got out of the habit. For a while, I don't think they even wanted your blood if you'd been to the UK recently (mad cow fears).

Dieting now...I expect blood donation is a good way to lose wieght.


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