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BS: donating organs after death

Shields Folk 26 Nov 06 - 11:28 AM
Bee 26 Nov 06 - 11:13 AM
Bill D 26 Nov 06 - 09:09 AM
Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland 26 Nov 06 - 08:15 AM
Fibula Mattock 26 Nov 06 - 07:51 AM
eddie1 26 Nov 06 - 04:40 AM
Barry Finn 25 Nov 06 - 11:53 AM
Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland 25 Nov 06 - 09:19 AM
GUEST,Cluin 25 Nov 06 - 02:30 AM
Clinton Hammond 23 Nov 06 - 12:55 PM
Folkiedave 23 Nov 06 - 12:29 PM
catspaw49 23 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM
jacqui.c 23 Nov 06 - 07:43 AM
GUEST, Topsie 23 Nov 06 - 06:49 AM
Liz the Squeak 23 Nov 06 - 05:49 AM
Ferrara 22 Nov 06 - 10:51 PM
The Villan 22 Nov 06 - 02:13 PM
fat B****rd 22 Nov 06 - 01:50 PM
Clinton Hammond 22 Nov 06 - 01:36 PM
jeffp 22 Nov 06 - 12:54 PM
GUEST, Topsie 22 Nov 06 - 12:48 PM
Scoville 22 Nov 06 - 12:25 PM
Peace 22 Nov 06 - 12:22 PM
Bagpuss 22 Nov 06 - 12:15 PM
The Villan 22 Nov 06 - 12:15 PM
Hawker 22 Nov 06 - 12:11 PM
Clinton Hammond 22 Nov 06 - 11:58 AM
Peace 22 Nov 06 - 11:45 AM
Barry Finn 22 Nov 06 - 11:37 AM
Peace 22 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM
Stilly River Sage 22 Nov 06 - 11:20 AM
Clinton Hammond 22 Nov 06 - 11:19 AM
Bagpuss 22 Nov 06 - 11:07 AM
catspaw49 22 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM
Clinton Hammond 22 Nov 06 - 10:48 AM
Scoville 22 Nov 06 - 10:16 AM
katlaughing 22 Nov 06 - 09:54 AM
GUEST,Augie 29 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM
Scooby Doo 29 Apr 04 - 02:36 AM
steve in ottawa 29 Apr 04 - 02:20 AM
Steve in Idaho 28 Apr 04 - 12:27 PM
Carly 27 Apr 04 - 06:22 PM
GUEST,noddy 27 Apr 04 - 07:59 AM
open mike 26 Apr 04 - 11:44 PM
Amos 26 Apr 04 - 10:23 PM
GUEST,filling out card this week 26 Apr 04 - 08:39 PM
Shanghaiceltic 26 Apr 04 - 06:05 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Shields Folk
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 11:28 AM

I worked for 6 years in a cardio thoracic unit and was part of the team on lots of organ retrievals. Heart retrievals were performed on living donors (but obviously brain dead) and it did seem strange removing organs from people who seemed to be just asleep. I remember one little girl with ginger hair, she looked so perfect before the retrieval. After I got home I just cried my eyes out.

Having said that they can have anything from me that they can use for transplant.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bee
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 11:13 AM

In Nova Scotia, we have a check box on our health card renewal form for organ donation. Mine's checked. I could never understand why some people are so against it. They'd rather worms, maggots and various bacteria consumed their kidneys, etc., than pass them on to another human? Very peculiar.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 09:09 AM

ummmm..yes, indeed, Tom. Thank you for clarifying that.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 08:15 AM

these people that say that they never drink, what they mean is that the don't drink alcohol, in other words beer or spirits.

but they drink coffee or tea or Juice, everyone drink if they didn't drink they would die of thirst.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 07:51 AM

I'm a registered donor - they're welcome to what they can use when I'm dead, but I can't give blood any more because I'm permanently on medication (and my blood group is B positive, which is ironic given I'm a manic depressive).


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: eddie1
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 04:40 AM

When I shuffle off this mortal coil, if anyone can benefit from any of my bits, they're welcome. I'm not going to need them.
Did see something disturbing on breakfast TV (in the UK) a couple of days ago. A woman who had MS wanted her organs to go to the MS society for research. Her husband and the MS Society were in agreement. When she died however it seemed the hospital she was in was not "certified" to carry out this procedure and nothing happened. I did not catch the whole piece so I missed out on what was said at the beginning but her husband was pretty shattered and felt that she was prevented from allowing others to benefit in some way from her death.
It seems that most hospitals are "certified" and if not, it's not a difficult process. They just hadn't bothered!

eddie


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Barry Finn
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 11:53 AM

The Georgie Best are few & far between. I know that I had had been a drinker (which I never was) I wouldn't have received a liver unless I could've some how shown that I had stopped some time in the past & that my present behavior showed that I wasn't likely to be screwing up what could've better used by another.
A through history was reviewed prior to my be even put on a waiting list.
As far as I know here in the US your fame & fortune doesn't count they have a strict set of guideline that they follow & up date all the time but I'm sure if Bush's went he'd go to the top of the class.

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 09:19 AM

There was a man called George Best, and his liver or kidney was shot to hell because of his drinking, however he was a famous footballer and so they gave a new one if he stopped drinking, and so they put this new organ in him and guess what he buggered that up as well.

oh by the way he died, and another thing they gave a second organ to replace the first one he buggered up, and he did the same to that one as well.

and yet there are people out there who deserve them more that arseholes like him.

I might become a donor I haven't made up my mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,Cluin
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 02:30 AM

Which is why they have the pick of the crop when it's leader-choosin' time.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 12:55 PM

They're already all stocked up with them


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Folkiedave
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 12:29 PM

A singer of my acquaintance left a speech to be read out at his funeral.

In it he left his organs to various hospitals, universities etc including his arsehole which he left to the COnservative Party.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM

We love our GP. As a Doc she is first rate but even more she can be light and funny even when things suck. She's good people and has gotten us through a lot of tough times. I say that so you understand that one day in her office I made some remark about still being listed as an organ donor on my license. She gave me this serious look and said, "Pat, I can't think of a thing you've got that anybody would want."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 07:43 AM

I was a blood donor until I had cancer of the womb and then was told that I could no longer give blood. Now I'm living in the States and am told that, because I lived in the UK, I wouldn't be able to give blood.

I'm not sure whether any of my parts could be used for transplant due to both the above factors but would be happy if anything was recyclable.

Right now I'm considering the medical school body donation bit but, since I had a total hysterectomy following the cancer, am not sure that they would want me for that either!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 06:49 AM

I am also O neg. I gave blood until my thyroid packed up. I then wrote to them and asked if they still wanted me but received no answer, and no more reminders, so I assumed the answer was 'no thanks'.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 05:49 AM

In my life I've donated a whole body's worth of blood but regular medication and heart surgery mean I can't do it any more, which is a shame because I'm O neg...

I'm against paying for donors, but when it is your life on the line or your child who can't play, walk or breathe properly, then I guess the boundaries start to blur.

I've filled in my donor card, I'm happy for anyone to take whatever they want or find useful. My theology is a little strange, but I've always felt that we will be raised up as we were created, whole and perfect, regardless of what life or decomposition has done to us in the meantime. If God wanted us whole and uncorrupted then He wouldn't have made maggots. If my bits can make someone else's life more bearable then they are welcome. Just make sure they take good care of them!

This last year has been difficult for the Organ Transplant service in the UK - George Best is to blame. He was given a new liver and treated it like it was his old one, rather than a gift that someone had died giving him. It was a totally selfish act on his part to continue his abusive lifestyle and so unlike the actions of the majority of organ recievers. This made a lot of people rethink their position on donations and everyone suffers for it.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Ferrara
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 10:51 PM

Wow, that article on paying donors really stirred up a lot of feelings in me. Have to keep this short tonight, but my first reaction was, "I'm agin' it."

But it's almost 11pm and I have lots to do tonight and tomorrow so I have to just stop with that comment for now. I think there are better ways to improve the number of organs available but not time now to discuss it since the whole question is pretty complex.

We have a three day craft show Friday til Sunday but will look forward to reading more on this thread soon.

Rita F


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: The Villan
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 02:13 PM

I didn't realise that if you have had cancer then yopu can't be an organ donator.

That excludes me.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 01:50 PM

Strangely coincidentally I renewed my card only this morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 01:36 PM

Bagpuss... we're already FORCED to do all kinds of things "For our own good"

At least this one makes sense....


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: jeffp
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:54 PM

Topsie - doesn't happen.

I have signed up for organ donation and I am a regular blood donor. A positive. Both of my wives were ineligible to donate either because of cancer. I figure it's my responsibility to do what I can while I'm able. Besides, cancer doesn't run in my family, so I will probably be a good field to harvest when the time comes.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:48 PM

I'm worried that they would keep me alive in order to 'harvest' my organs - in which case they would be taking them when I am still alive. This REALLY scares me.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Scoville
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:25 PM

For the record--my mother has had her kidney for two and a half years now and is still rolling right along.

*****

We always laugh at how often kidney disease comes up on "Law & Order"--Jerry Orbach's character even complained about the "dialysis defense" once when a suspect said he couldn't have killed so-and-so because he was at dialysis. We think somebody on the writing team must have kidney issues. Munch is vehemently pro-organ donation; he says he figures God will give him a pass on being buried whole even though he's Jewish, if he donates his organs.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:22 PM

Clinton: I don't HAVE to give you a reason any more than I have to give you a kidney.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bagpuss
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:15 PM

Just because I believe everyone *should* do something doesn't mean I think everyone should be *forced* to do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: The Villan
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:15 PM

I think the organ grinders should pay for the funeral, that would make it attractive to those who haven't got the money to pay for a funeral.

I don't mind em having my bits if they are of any use.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Hawker
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:11 PM

NO I DONT!
and before you all start crying me down, it's to protect you all, my bits are sub standard, I have a hereditary genetic disorder that it would be unfair to palm off on you all, I have been advised not to donate my organs, but I will be very happy if they use me for a med school when I eventually give up my mortal coil.
Also, I don't think this is BS even though it is non-music!!
Cheers, Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:58 AM

Give me one good reason why not


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:45 AM

True. Mine go to whoever, and the rest to a university for med students to do as they wish with. However, I do not agree that organ donation should be forced on people.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:37 AM

I don't know how I missed this thread.
It's really great to see so many willing donors here. Thank you all for considering. I'm a liver recipient & have had the good luck to have been twice saved by organ donors. It's something divine to know you're slipping away & that you're not likely to have a future & that you are at peace with it.
I had thought how lucky I was to have been married to a wife that that I thought I'd never find & to have had two great kids that I thought was far beyond what I had ever hoped for. And to have known that I had more than one friend, I considered myself very rich, indeed. As a teen & young adult I was past being wild & never tought I'd make it past 21. After getting past a very dangerous youth, I started to live with a zest. So laying on a death bed on my 50th birthday I figured I had lived more in half a life than most would've in two. The surprize to come past death twice & waken into a life that was gone for sure, is more than supernatural & erie. To find that I was able to continue to live a rich life I had seen as fully lived & lost is more than most people will ever know or want to know or should have to know for that matter.

Waiting for an organ is like drowning but alot slower. Bit by bit one swallows their own live away.
In this day & age, no one should have to die waiting to be saved.

Thanks
Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM

There must be fifty ways to lose your liver.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:20 AM

I read about that Johns Hopkins surgery in the news yesterday. What an incredible round robin event that was!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:19 AM

If your organs are 'healthy' when you die, opting out is anti-social, greedy and narrow minded.

It should NOT be an option, unless the danger of spreading disease is a factor.

There's NO other good reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Bagpuss
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 11:07 AM

"Which is why it needs to be mandatory...."

Or at least opt out, rather than opt in. I think recent changes, although small, are going in the right direction. It is no longer the case that the relatives of a deceased person can overrule their wishes and prevent them donating.

I am on the register, but my husband is not and says that if he did die, he wouldn't want me to let them take his organs. I haven't managed to get to the bottom of his objections yet, but I am working on it.

I gave blood only once. The blood took forever to come out, and I went white as a sheet - with every doctor or nurse that passed asking if i was ok. A few months later, I was found to be very anaemic - with a blood count of 7. So I have never given blood again in case it happens again. Its a particular shame, as I am ONeg - the universal donor.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM

Great thread of course, but every time it comes up over the years, I read the title at first glance as "donating orgasms after death."

I'm not sure how that would work.............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 10:48 AM

"The numbers of donors are still woefully small"

Which is why it needs to be mandatory....


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Scoville
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 10:16 AM

Johns Hopkins just performed a five-way transplant. Technically, this is illegal because it's considered selling organs, but I heard that one of the reasons they did it was to highlight the need for donors (and because who's going to argue with Johns Hopkins).


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 09:54 AM

Interesting article by a doctor who received a donated kidney this year. The numbers of donors are still woefully small: Click Here.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,Augie
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM

Norton1
Please accept the condolences of a total stranger on your loss.On behalf of others, Thank You for your gift. To act so nobly during times of unfathomable sorrow and grief is something we should all aspire to. It involves degree of difficulty that those who haven't been there can not appreciate.

Where I live, up here in the Great White North, I travel by moped and motorcycle when the weather permits, so a signed donor card is very appropriate for me. They can have it all if I can't use it, tho anyone who has heard me and my guitar would likely refuse a finger and/or vocal cord transplant.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 02:36 AM

I have always believed in giving my body to research after the importants parts have been used for donation.I believe it should be compulsory to leave your body for donation here in GB.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: steve in ottawa
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 02:20 AM

Full body.

Never considered too carefully whether checking that box on my driver's licence was sufficient. Guess I'll have to check that out.

And start giving blood again...at some point I heard they didn't want your blood for two years after starting a new heterosexual monogomous relationship and I just got out of the habit. For a while, I don't think they even wanted your blood if you'd been to the UK recently (mad cow fears).

Dieting now...I expect blood donation is a good way to lose wieght.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 12:27 PM

I'm REAL glad Rita got the heart - one of my babies came from her a couple of years ago.

I'm not a donor. Never gave it a thought.

When Jan and I lost our son we donated his parts, some of them anyway, to others. He was a giving person and we felt that would have been his wish. It was a difficult decision to make coming on the heels of his death.

Of the five folks that got parts three died, one we don't know, and a 12 y/o little boy is off dialysis for the fist time since birth. So I reckon it was worth it.

And my opinion is we do not "save" lives. We all die at some point in time in this pysical world. We can prolong or enhance life by the things we do. Not meaning to fan any flames with this comment - just always bothered me that folks thought we could "save" life.

The only life I am interested in "saving" is the one that comes with Salvation through my Lord Jesus Christ.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Carly
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 06:22 PM

To tell you the truth, I have no idea what the Orthodox Jewish rule is for lifetime amputations and later burial. My guess....the issue involving non-mutilation of bodies seems to me to go back to the idea that someday the Messiah will come, and all will be raised up to dwell in a world of peace and justice. This is a tougher job if those bodies are scattered, or cremated ( a practice also against Jewish tradition.)( And I suppose even more complicated if two people used the same organ!) But if you managed to get by after the war, or other "honorable" loss of limb, hopefully you would be able to get by in the next age. Or maybe the Lord takes care of this; I don't know, but I would love to have a rabbinical comment on the subject.
Jews in my experience do not spend too much time on afterlife issues; getting through this life is enough of a challenge!


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:59 AM

when I am dead they can help themselves to anything that might be of use.

My wife says I am heartless and bloodless.

Liver shot through the drink.

Thick skinned tough as old boots.

Brainless.

Deaf and dumb when I want to be and all ears when necessary.

Any takers?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: open mike
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:44 PM

if you lose an arm or a leg, can it be buried in your plot prior to the rest of you?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:23 PM

Bushwaw. Parts is parts. It's like wondering if you'll need the radiator from that '58 Willys you scrapped when you were 19.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: GUEST,filling out card this week
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:39 PM

But what would happen if you cross over to the other side after death, and find out you need all the stuff you just donated, could be a bit of a problem.

f.o.c.t.w.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:05 PM

I will happily have any organs taken from my body after death. However I think a quick MOT on the liver might be a good idea ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:01 PM

Thanks for the explanation Carly.
If you lost an arm or a leg in an accident or a war, could you still be buried in the jewish cemetray if you wanted to be?


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Carly
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 03:27 PM

I am Jewish, and although I am not Orthodox and do not observe the dietary laws, I have had some religious education. It is my understanding that in Jewish law, saving or preserving life takes precedence. Thus, on fast days, those who are ill are not only permitted, but required, to eat or drink as necessary. If there is famine and the only thing to eat is a pig, you feed your children pork in order to preserve their lives. As far as I am concerned, organ donation falls under this category. I admit that I am prejudiced; my dear friend Rita is still with us because of a generous gift of a heart, and my brother-in-law is alive today and able to hold his first grandson in his arms because of a liver transplant done at a time he thought he would not live to see his son, the baby's father, graduate from high school. Please, consider being a donor.


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Subject: RE: BS: donating organs after death
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 25 Apr 04 - 03:28 PM

It was a funny. Blood DONOR spelt Blood DONER - Doner Kebab, sold in a fast-food joint - Black Pudding is made from pig's blood.......oh forget it. I'll get back to the potting shed...........

Johnny :0)


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