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BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul

ard mhacha 18 Oct 03 - 04:05 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Oct 03 - 06:11 PM
alanabit 19 Oct 03 - 04:48 AM
Big Tim 19 Oct 03 - 05:21 AM
alanabit 19 Oct 03 - 11:18 AM
ard mhacha 19 Oct 03 - 12:50 PM
Big Tim 19 Oct 03 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,Strollin' Johnny 20 Oct 03 - 08:28 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: ard mhacha
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 04:05 PM

Alan, Too bad for that City supporter, but it is very obvious, English soccer fan are detested in Europe, remember the ban on English clubs in the 1980s, 5 years if memory serves me right.
And now the England team are on a last warning to behave or they will also be banned from playing in the European Championship.

Glasgow Celtic fans are bringing 7000 fans to Brussels next Tuesday for their Champions League game with Anderlecht, only 2000 of their fans will have tickets for the game, yet the Belgium Police have agreed with the authorities to turn a large Park over to the Celtic supporters who cannot get into the Stadium.
This area will be designated to Celtic fans from noon onwards.

This would seem to be an amazingly generous gesture by the Belgians, but then again the Celtic support have earned the reputation of being sporting in both victory and defeat. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 06:11 PM

Rough justice would seem to be that if you can't risk to have your fans come along and sit next to the fans of the other side, you aren't fit to be allowed to play.

Mind, do it that way and the World Cup would be a much smaller affair. Ireland and the USA would probably be in it, but I'm not too sure of who else would qualify.


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Oct 03 - 04:48 AM

ard mhacha, I live in one of those European cities and I have seen thugs at work. Believe me, English football fans are no less welcome than some of the Dutch, some of the German lunatic fringe or some of the Rangers lunatic fringe. It is always a minority, however frightening a group of thugs looks. Strollin Johnny is right. The vast majority of fans who drink a quiet beer and cause no trouble at all never get in the newspapers. Consistency demands that we condemn the Belgian thugs every bit as much as the British thugs who have so often disgraced us. I usually take the precaution of only speaking German when British fans are in town. But it is not always necessary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: Big Tim
Date: 19 Oct 03 - 05:21 AM

I'm a bit worried about my daughter who's going to be in with the Anderlecht fans this Tuesday. So far though, after all the Celtic euro games last season, the only trouble she's has seen was provided by the Spanish police in Vigo!


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Oct 03 - 11:18 AM

That is worth mentioning. Bad policing can be as big a menace to crowd safety as the hooligans themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Oct 03 - 12:50 PM

Dont worry Tim the Irish supporters will look after her, with a little help from the Scots.
Aye, McGrath, nice one, 80,000 at this years All-Ireland GAA Final between two neighbouring Counties and huge rivals, Armagh and Tyrone, not one arrest, this is not surprising, it is always like this. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: Big Tim
Date: 19 Oct 03 - 03:01 PM

Ard, "Celtic fans sporting in defeat"! You've obviously never been in a Celtic pub in Partick (Glasgow)after a loss to Rangers! (Though it's been some time since the last one!)                        

Generally though, the behaviour of Scottish fans abroad has been much improved in recent years. Wembley '78 was quite a while back. Now the Tartan Army pride themselves on their camaraderie, etc, with rival fans, friends. I think the difference between the Scottish and the English fans is that the Scots don't consider themselves to be racially and culturally superior to everyone they play.


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Subject: RE: BS: Turkey v England in Istanbul
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 08:28 AM

Ard, your prejudice and intransigence in the face of reason are breathtaking. With a nickname like yours, it's no surprise. I regard myself as a decent and civilised Englishman, and I've tried to put forward a reasoned and reasonable view that's echoed by the majority of English fans (the REAL Football fans - not the pisshead louts who just pose as fans) who are like me, but you refuse to listen and you continue to rant and rail and trot out meaningless and unprovable BS. You claim the moral high ground, but you're just as full of racist hatred as those you decry. Knock it off mate.

Big Tim, you're absolutely right about the Scots fans' improved behaviour but you've jumped on Ard's racist bandwagon in your final comment. I'd ask you to look at my post of 15/10 - I don't consider myself racially or culturally superior to people of ANY nation, and there's a lot more like me.

Alanabit - I salute you as another voice of sanity and reason. Good on yer mate.

Now I really am out of this for good.


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