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Subject: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: clansfolk
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 05:48 AM

I personally find a funny joke a funny joke irrelevant of the subject, recently I heard a couple of dyslexia jokes which I have told as part of the act - which have always gone down well.....   but I wonder how many people would be offended by them??

1) One dyslexic turned to the other and said "can you smell gas" - the other replied "don't be silly I can't even smell my own name!"

2) The entertainer arrived at the dyslexics club and was asked what he did "I'm a comedian" he replied. The club secretary watched him closely for a few minutes and then said "go on then......   change colour"

Now what's wrong with them???


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 06:12 AM

The only thing that I find offensive is that they don't describe dyslexia. Dyslexia is concerned with spelling and reading the written word, not misunderstanding the spoken word.

Dyslexics rule KO


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 06:16 AM

Not funny. I don't mean they aren't funny because the are distasteful or so forth - but they just don't seem the least bit funny to me.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 06:21 AM

Nothing...except that they don't have very much to do with dyslexia. Contrary to popular belief, having dyslexia doesn't mean that you can't spell or that you write words or letters backwards. It means that you have significant difficulty learning to read. Here is one definition, used by the International Dyslexia Association and the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development:

Dyslexia is a specific learning disability that is neurological in origin. It is characterized by difficulties with accurate and/or fluent word recognition and by poor spelling and decoding abilities.
These difficulties typically result from a deficit in the phonological* component of language that is often unexpected in relation to other cognitive abilities... Secondary consequences may include problems in reading comprehension and reduced reading experience that can impede growth of vocabulary and background knowledge.

*"Phonological" refers to the process of "breaking down" a word into its component parts, or phonemes, which are then matched to written symbols.

Sorry to get so technical, but it's part of my job, and a bit of a sore point at times.

To answer your question from my own perspective, I don't think those particular jokes are very offensive, but using the word "dyslexia" in this context perpetuates the confusion about this disorder. Still, I know I'm unlikely to change the popular perception, just as I'm unlikely to get people to stop saying "disinterested" when they mean "uninterested," or "reticent" when they mean "reluctant". (For what it's worth, "reticent" means "hesitant or reluctant to speak," so "reticent to speak" is a phrase from the Department of Redundancy Department!)

Aloha,
Mark

OK, I'll go back to sleep now...


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 06:43 AM

But Mark -
If the Joeclones correct your Italics then your second posting becomes gibberish, and you look lke an idiot.
Then this posting becomes indecipherable.
The fabric of the cyberspace begins to disintegrate in a spiral of confusion, logical self contradictions and my head is starting to hurt...
NURSE!!! can I have my pills please...
Quack!
GtD.
What second posting? --JoeClone


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 06:49 AM

I agree with the above, ie= I dont find your jokes offensive, their just not funny!
Though it is worth bearing in mind that unlike many disabilities, you can not tell if someone is dislexic just by looking at them, so you might end up offending some of your audience without knowing it.
If you saw 10 blind people in the audience at your next gig, would you make jokes about blind people?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Ritchie
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:13 AM

jOhn of course you could ..unless they recognised your voice later you could probably get away with it ... the whole issue of 'jokes' and being 'politacally correct' is emotive. Our youngest son is Dyslexic so Mark I understand your frustrations but keep them laughing and smiling and full of confidence...as my friend said to me last week
"I was going to ring you on saturday, I was in Tesco and I saw a loaf of bread & it had your name on it, I was going to get you some but when I looked again it did n't ... it said 'thick cut' now who is laughing at who?

keep it real Ritchie


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Helen
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:17 AM

I am dyslexic and I don't find your jokes funny for two reasons. The first is that they are not very funny. I've heard better.

The second is that they have nothing to do with dyslexia, as far as I know. I agree with almost all that Mark said (thanks Dr Mark) except to add that dyslexia can present in different forms in different people and I am one of the people who does experience the appearance of reversal of some letters and numbers, and also switching around of syllables or letters within syllables.

For example 2 & 5 have always been a problem for me, especially when handwritten or when the font is a bit fancy because if you mirror reverse "2" vertically but not horizontally, i.e. hold a mirror to the top of the number, then it looks a lot like a 5 (if you disregard the straight bit on the left of the 5). Consciously this is not a problem, but when I am reading quickly, and especially if I am thinking on my feet, e.g. reading aloud or transcribing a document, then I tend to read/type it back as the wrong number.

There are some words which I always have to stop and think about before I say them because I reverse the syllables. If I am typing (which I do a lot on Mudcat) then I am often backtracking and correcting the words which my brain spits out with letters or syllables in the wrong order.

e.g. one of my most common typing mistakes is "becasue" instead of "because"

The other problem with typing is that I touch type and I have had to consciously force my hands to remember which one is left and which one is right because it matters which order I press the keys and often if I get closer to automatic pilot with typing that's when I start making more mistakes.

Your two jokes rely on two different words being misinterpreted, but as far as I know these are unlikely to be mistaken by dyslexics.

"smell" would not be mistaken for "spell", "comedian" would not be mistaken for "chameleon". They are misheard rather than mispelt.

The commonly switched around letters are b, d, p, q, & g. If you don't get the reason why, find a mirror and hold it to the side or above or below each letter and see what it looks like in the mirror.

We have had an excellent thread on dyslexia here at Mudcat if you want to look it up. There were lots of interesting facts and opinions expressed. I didn't find it offensive when soemone (correct that: someone) told the joke about the atheist dyslexic who didn't believe there is a dog, or the dyslexic who believed in Satan and not Santa. They are funny in a gentle, dyslexic kind of way.

There was also a contribution to the thread by someone who was being offensive and who then said that we were overreacting to his/her "humour".

So, thank you for asking your question, clansfolk, because it shows that you care about not offending people. I sincerely appreciate your question.

Helen


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:26 AM

I'm dyslexic and don't find dyslexia jokes offensive, but the too examples just aren't very funny.
To broaden out the discussion somewhat.

What do you call an epileptic in a pile of leaves?















    Russell

TTFN
PP


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Ritchie
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:29 AM

whoosh ..well done so eloquently put Helen. Now have you heard the one about the man with the bad ssstaammer.

Ritchie :)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:52 AM

Yeah, what lots of folks allready said... They seem more like bad "Blond" jokes. Actually, we lexdexics don't have any problems with speech or hearing and probably listen better than the non's. Hearin' is more important to us since we ain't dumb and, like literates, need and want information...

And, whoever said it above, yes, lexdexia rules!

Save lots o' money on books, too...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Helen
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:57 AM

Here is one of the threads about lysdexia.

Any dyslexic 'Catters (like me)

There is a notice at the bottom which says that the thread is closed. I don't know why. It means that we can't post to it, but it is worth reading, I think.

Helen


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: jonm
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 08:01 AM

One of my students was recently assessed due to his difficulties with reading text. When he re-read the report on his condition, he told me how disappointed he was when he discovered he was not eligible for "support for dailysex."

His other jokes: did you hear about the dyslexic blues guitarist who went down to the crossroads at midnight and sold his soul to Santa?

Many years later, the same guitarist died when he choked on his own Vimto.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Mooh
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 08:02 AM

There is the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who lays awake every night wondering if there really is a Dog.

That's the only one I can remember. Sorry.

I didn't find the original jokes offensive or funny either. Oh well.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 08:19 AM

Dyslexia lures KO.

RtS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 08:21 AM

The original two jokes are in the same league as the one where the diner in a Chinese restaurant says, "Waiter, this chicken is rubbery," and the waiter says, "Thank you belly much."

I saw a cartoon years ago (in Computer Weekly, I think): a man is standing outside a door marked "Dyslexics Association"; he wears a badge (button) that says "I [picture of a carrot] NY". Took me a while to figure out.

Even politically very incorrect UK comic Bernard Manning (like Roseanne Barr, but without the charm) doesn't do jokes about disabilities; but then he can offend everyone sufficiently without.

I've never ever had a problem with letter shapes/order when reading or writing, as long as I can remember; but if my reading/writing was like my typing, [this post has already been corrected!] I'd certainly have a problem. My fingers don't do things in the order I intend them to do (hence my awful guitar playing), and I think it gives me a bit of an insight into what dyslexia is like; I can certainly tell that it's not funny.

Steve


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 09:15 AM

I make typos like helen, but my probrlmr has been assessed as due to some micro-motor problems - I have no problem reading - except if I am very tired then occassionally I misread a word.


With regard in general to jokes about disablities: There is a very funny Australian comedian - "Steady Eddie". He has this name because he is affected with what used to be called palsy. He lacks the ability to control his muscles sufficently to keep still. When he first started, people were horrified, since many of his jokes were about people like himself. When told that his jokes were non-PC, he just laughed, and made comments in the line of "I find them funny". He did a lot ot stop the very PC_ignore_the_disabled attitude toward the disabled of all types.

His jokes were sort of along the line of - the bartender telling him that he wouldn't be served any more - why - because he was falling around the place and couldn't stand upright - I haven't had a drink yet, I'm like this all the time.

Robin


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 09:38 AM

If mistyping is dyslexic, then I mush be too. I'm typing this without correcting it, and it really takes some effort of will not do make the kcorrections I feel thould be made.

I don't think that I'm dilexic, but that I've always felt that my mind was going too fast for my finger to catch up.

I do have another problem, however (I'm correcting now). Some years back I fell while ice skating and suffered not only a concussion, but a paralysis of some of the muscles (upper left oblique, the doctor said) in my left eye. As a result, when I get tired level things like the lines herein t
             e
                n
                  d to run horizontal and d
                                           r
                                              o
                                                p off to the right


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: JennyO
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:19 AM

A friend of mine was performing that lysdexic tairy fale, "Rindecella", to a group of elderly people, when he noticed that a woman was standing out the front facing the audience and trying to sign.

She had a very puzzled look on her face as she kept looking between him and the audience. They were looking very puzzled too. It turned out that a large proportion of the people in the audience were deaf.

Bet that one went down like a lead f**t!

Jenny


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:19 AM

Dyslexia is a catch-all term for many visual, usually reading-related problems. Go to Mark's post for the clinical end of it. I went through a year of "therapy" which was simply intended to reinforce spelling rules and show me other ways to make the rules stick. Not sitting but walking around while I read, writing on the chaulk board used more motor skills and a different part of the brain than sitting and writing with a pencil. Reading out loud instead of reading silently.

The first two jokes were uninformed and weren't about dyslexics--that has been covered. People with disabilities have always been able laugh at themselves, and share the joke with caring individuals. Jonm, the "Santa" joke is an old one, is funny, and you should stop there. The thing about dyslexia is that we don't turn words into nonsense, our brains are swifty trying to make sense of the marks on the page so we turn them into other words. Unless "Vimto" is a brand name somewhere it doesn't make any sense to me and is thus just pushing too hard and reaching a stupid conclusion.

I dislike seeing the intentional misspellings to show "insider" status even in this thread--I struggle daily to spell correctly--Hell, I'm an English major with dyslexia, I'm a living breathing oxymoron. When I'm tired my spelling can look like alphabet soup. My handwriting is worse than my typing, because my thoughts race ahead of my pen and I'm not paying close enough attention to those spelling rules (sometimes even writing rules!). Typing more closely approximates the composition speed, so is actually much easier.

My favorite dyslexic joke?

Dyslexics, Untie!



SRS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: JennyO
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 11:47 AM

SRS, when you said

'I dislike seeing the intentional misspellings to show "insider" status..'

I don't know if you were referring to my saying 'that lysdexic tairy fale, "Rindecella"'.

If you were, I assure you that was not my intention. I described it that way, because that is how my friend always introduces it when he performs it. That's all.

Jenny


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 12:05 PM

SRS: "Vimto" is a famous drink in England that was all the rage before Coca-Cola crossed the Atlantic. It doesn't contain cocaine or cola (or "pepsi", whatever that is), but is fizzy and sort of purple coloured. Viewers in Scotland have their own drink (sorry -- another in-joke!), called Irn-Bru, pronounced "iron brew" in Scotland ("made is Scotland from girders"*). It's the colour of diluted rust. Oh, and we also have "Tizer", a sort of red lemonade. I don't know wat disabilities a rock guitarist would need to have to choke on his own Irn-Bru or Tizer (although in the case of Irn-Bru, just drinking it might do the trick).

Steve

*It's actually made from carbonated water, sugar and "colouring", I think. The name looks dyslexic, outside Scotland.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 01:13 PM

I wondered if that might be the case, Steve, but that one actually doesn't work for me in a dyslexic way. The letters are too scrambled. Dyslexia doesn't create an anagram, just a gentle reshuffle of letters into similar words. Santa-Satan, left-felt, was-saw. (It's quite a helpful condition when one is interested in generating puns!)

No, I wasn't referring to any specific post when I commented on the misspellings, and there is always a margin of typo-errors in any of these threads anyway.

The "boost basic comprehension" ad at the bottom of this thread is actually poorly placed; dyslexia is a condition usually found in very bright people. Once we figure out what was written, comprehending it isn't a problem.

SRS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 01:25 PM

Keep telling them that: "dyslexia is a condition usually found in very bright people". I still can't believe I got through Chemistry and Genetics in college with dyslexia, although my case is relatively mild. Red/ green color blindness was actually a bigger handicap because there is little you can do to compensate of it.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: PageOfCups
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 01:45 PM

JennyO, I'm gonna be having nightmares about your post. I'm studying to be a sign language interpreter. (Maybe I should switch to -- I dunno -- air conditioner repair?)

PoC


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Tyke
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 01:51 PM

All in all I'm pleased to be Dyslexic! When I real off a monolgue and people say how on earth did you all remember that? The answere is I'm Dyslexic! I have an emense long term memory once somthing is in ther I don't usualy for get. The some of the down sides are my visual / short term memory is rubish to none exsistant and I can't spell or proof read. So I miss out words and worry about the thing that I write.

I'm easly distracted when reading so I need to sit down somwhere quiet. If I watching Tellivision however you could set off a bomb and I probably would not hear it. Understanding Dyslexia when your dyslexic means understanding your own dyslexcia. Not nessasarly other peoples. I shall now copy this into a spell check and past it back.

If you are dyslexic you will not be able to tell the differance. Then again you may not be able to tell the difference in any case! Why? because I may or may not have made any spelling mistakes! So you may not be dyslexic! Then again depending on how you are when you read this you may be dyslexic and just having a good day. The answer is that I am Dyslexic and I do not know the answer.



All in all I'm pleased to be Dyslexic! When I real off a monologue and people say how on earth did you all remember that? The answer is I'm Dyslexic! I have an immense long-term memory once something is in there I don't usually for get. The some of the down sides are my visual / short-term memory is rubbish to none existent and I can't spell or proof read. So I miss out words and worry about the thing that I write.

I'm easily distracted when reading so I need to sit down somewhere quiet. If I watching Television however you could set off a bomb then I probably would not hear it at all. Understanding Dyslexia when your dyslexic means understanding your own dyslexia. Not necessarily other peoples. I shall now copy this into a spell check and past it back.

If you are dyslexic you will not be able to tell the difference. Then again you may not be able to tell the difference in any case! Why? Because I may or may not have made any spelling mistakes! So you may not be dyslexic! Then again depending on how you are when you read this you may be dyslexic and just having a good day. The answer is that I am Dyslexic and I do not know the answer.

The question was do I find Dyslexic jokes offensive? The answer is not if the person who is telling the joke understands Dyslexia. So if I were telling a Dyslexic joke it would be OK for me to take the Mickey out of myself. Once I've done that it should be all right to take the Mickey out of Banjo Players and tell Banjo player jokes. Just as long as it's not to a room full of Banjo Players! I obviously do not want to have to spend the rest of the night explaining the joke to them!!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:09 PM

Good points, Tyke! My study skills in graduate school improved greatly through my desire and interest in the classes, and I was old enough to understand what I was trying to overcome.

In high school and my undergraduate work I always did much better in the classes where the tests were based on lectures. If they were based on tons of reading, I was sunk and didn't always have the discipline to do the work over the extra hours it was going to take me. In graduate school I made sure to get the reading list way ahead and read every book required before the class even started, so on my second reading I could skim if I needed but I would have read it at least once. I read well, but very slowly. Books on Tape are a wonderful tool for dyslexics. Since I remember what I hear so well, it means I really get a lot out of the book on the first reading and get it faster than if I read it myself.

SRS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:15 PM

I must admit that they are not very good jokes and also that they seam to be connected to another condition where words you hear get jumbled up not dyslexia. I'd also like to take issue with the statment made by Mark;

"Contrary to popular belief, having dyslexia doesn't mean that you can't spell or that you write words or letters backwards. It means that you have significant difficulty learning to read."

Actually that is exactly why I am classified as dyslexic! I had a hugely advanced reading age before I even got into school. My only problem is a tendancy for my eyes to try to read the whole page at once insted of individual lines. I was reading books for 8 year olds alone by the age of 5.
That is why it was never diagnosed till I got into university, people thought that I MUST be able to spell and I was just being lazy.
I can't spell (or indeed type, do mathmatics, read/play music and don't even TALK about punctuation!) and If I have only seen a word written down I tend to pronounce it wrong if it's more than three syllables long.
A classic dyslexic in fact!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: ced2
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:18 PM

On!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: running.hare
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:31 PM

Again A dyslexic who found the original jokes irelevant but the rest of the thred Amusing & Cheering.

Ohh & DONT tell me to use a dictionary, I often cant work out the 1st 3 letters of what I cant spell, so How am I supposed to find it by Alphabetical Indexing!!!!

I Just Wish people wouldn't atribute my mistakes to Lazy Youth with out politely inquireing first! (As has happend on the cat) I Cant remedy a mistake if I can't See it!

Learning Lines however, no prob!
Remebering where I left my shoes/ handbag / pen etc.. Major problem!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:48 PM

So I walked into work this morning and noticed a book with the title "Five people you want to meet in heaven." I picked it up before I realized what the title was, I thought that it was "Five people who make you want to heave," and I wondered how the author could make the list so short.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 03:03 PM

I know the subject is humor, and I don't give a rat's p-toot what someone tells a joke about, as long as I can tell any joke I want. It would help if the joke were either factual or funny!

This may have been posted before, but it is very interesting for those who want to understand how reading actually works:
   
               

Amzanig !!!

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist
and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can
sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcusease the huamn mnid deos not raed
ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

amzanig, huh?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 03:45 PM

WOW Lizabee ditto! I have the exact same problem. including the Lazy Youth bit!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: wildlone
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 05:53 PM

Like Guest above I had an advanced reading age but I was slow at maths but i have since been told that I have a form of number dylexia.
The chairman of one of the re-enactment groups I belong to has dyslexia in a bad way, his emails and the newsletter he produces are works of art. A member once asked him why he did not use a spell check, His answer "at least it makes you lot read what I send".
Or as he says, "there is nothing wrong with daily sex"
Dave


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Gareth
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:12 PM

Hmmm ! - I am not convinced that Dylexia is not used as an excuse by some educational authorities to pass off poor results.

I'll tell yer for why, in the 60's I was diagnosed as having mild dylexia - and those catters who have seen my writing my have thier own thoughts on this - they may have been right.

This problem exists, poor spelling (see my posts) etc. but in my own case my comprehension and speed reading is reasonably high. Possibly, just possibly, and I have little scientific evidence to back this, I think it may be, in some cases at least, a problem with the mind working faster than muscular coordination can work a pen or a keyboard.

Just a thought !

And now a true story

At the last Welsh Assembly Elections in Caerphilly, we had a new candidate one Jeff Cuthbert, an old drinking butty of mine. Diagnosed as having mild Dylexia, like me, despite his BSC, and professional Engineering qualifications.

I was charged with designing and producing his flyer leaflets.

There was a heavy pause when the Election Agent read the first Galley's - "Who proof read this ?"

"I did" said Jeff. "It seemed OK to me !"

"Christ ! " said the Agent, "Thats all we need, a dylexic candidate, and a dylexic author/printer !"

Jeff was not allowed to proof the galley's - Just check the content !!

"Ah Well!" said Jeff in the pub later, "At least we're both members of the DBA - The British Dylexic Association !"

Gareth - Three cheers 4 spell checkers on Word !
"


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:17 PM

Steve Parkes -- would you please explain the carrot thing? It's driving me nuts!

I remember being roundly slammed by a member of the MIC (Mudcat Insiders Clique) when I gently ribbed another poster for spelling "Carolan" as "Caroline" in my early days on the `Cat. It was "how dare you make fun of a dyslexic?!" That mistake seems untypical of dyslexia from what I read here.

Then there was the dyslexic cop who spent Saturday night handing out IUDs...

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 07:30 PM

He then went home and prayed to his dog???


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:15 PM

I thought, and still think, that confusion can come from the mind working faster than the body can cope with output or input. I can type about a hundred words per minute, and I still mess up the output.

To grasp words as a gestalt is quite an accomplishment. To grasp a sentence is more. To grasp a paragraph -- or, as some do, an entire page -- is really quite amazing. (I include comprehension herein, as I've sat through whole books, gazing at the pages and taking in nothing. Sort of like some sermons or university lectures.)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:20 PM

Clansfolk....please!!!! explain #1 ....I don't get it.



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 10:51 PM

I posted the little jumbled spelling atricle a while ago somewhere here...

The phrase is "I Luv NY" - I love New York the "Luv" has been replaced by a red heart...

so, it's a vusial pun, in a way...

orange carrot === red heart or the carrot could be red...

at least that's the way I red [sic] it... :-)

Tyke - good effort, but the correct way to spell the word you wanted was "reel" not "real" - for the delights of these sorts of probelms that spell checkers can help? you with - see Owed to the Spell Checker

Robin


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 11:49 PM

You didn't miss anything, Gargoyle. It isn't a joke.

Gareth,

A couple of years into my employment as a writer at the university library where I work, I was talking to my boss during my annual evaluation. I mentioned my dyslexia, and he was amazed that this was the first he'd heard of it. When we work on print materials, I write what I'm going to, then I pass it off to him to see if he wants anything changed, added, whatever. As a natural editor, he also marks any of those typos and reversed words (probably assuming they're typos). So when he asked "how do you compensate for the dyslexia?" I laughed and told him I give it to him to proof read! If I can let something "cool" for a while, I can catch most of it myself. But it's hard for anyone to catch their own errors when they're close to a work, dyslexia or not, so we generally all proofread for each other.
SRS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: HuwG
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 11:57 PM

An example of a well known dyslexic personality which occurs to me, is Toyah Wilcox (punk singer from the 1980's, and TV and Radio presenter since then). Whatever difficulty she might have with reading or spelling, it would be impossible to tell from her very articulate and logical presentation. Since I find incongrous to link dyslexia with any personal or social disadvantage, I would find dyslexic jokes less hurtful than those about "spastics" ie. those who have suffered from cerebral palsy.

On the other hand, anyone who has been deemed "stupid" during childhood because of dyslexia, would obviously disagree with me. And of course, there are only two or three dyslexic jokes which are at all amusing, and which I do not propose to labour.

Incidentally, a girl I know is slightly dyslexic. She is also a very pleasant and generous character. Everyone who knows her is patient, and makes no comment as she laboriously reads sentences in newspapers or magazines. We save our scorn for those supposedly intelligent people in petty authority who talk or correspond in meaningless and incommunicative jargon.


....


Not a joke about dsyslexia as such, but ... The Monty Python team once performed a sketch in which John Cleese introduced Eric Idle as a man who spoke only in anagrams. Eric proceeded to do just that for several minutes until John frowed in bewilderment and said, "But surely, that last sentence was a spoonerism rather than an anagram ?" To which Eric replied, "Well, if that's your attitude, I'll p**s off !", and stormed off set.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 12:33 AM

My mother was dying of lung cancer. She wanted to die at home. This would mean I would have to take care of her. I can't say I was looking forward to it, but I figured it was what I should do.
The two of us had to square off against the hospital social worker, who wanted to put mother in a nursing home. She found out, somehow, that I was dyslexic, and she didn't want an illiterate looking after my mother.
I was holding one of Patrick O'Brian's books when I spoke to her. I still wonder what she thought I was doing with it. I don't think I ever managed to convince her that I could read.
Just so you understand why I think those suck eggs.
I really hate having to convince people that I am not illiterate, insane, or retarded. Jokes like that don't help much.
I had a housemate from St. Johns Newfoundland. He was a computer programmer, something of a workaholic, a maddening neat freak, and a a teetotaller.
Canadians tell jokes about "Newfies" that portray them as stupid, lazy, dirty, and drunk. They tell these jokes, I discovered, because they believe Newfoundlanders are stupid, lazy, dirty, and drunk. I heard remarks like, "Don isn't a Canadian, he's a Newf." from Canadians who should have known better. Now, I don't tell jokes about any group of people except politicians. (They ask for it.)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 05:09 AM

Newfy jokes originated with the grand sense of humour and the sharpness of wit of Newfies. A true Newf wouldn't be offened... 'e'd jus' tell a better joke. As for the jokes above, thanks, I had several good chuckles to start the day and I wasn't offended.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 05:17 AM

It isn't funny unless it's funny! But when it is funny, don't get dyslexics started on dyslexic jokes, because they know hundreds, and you'll get tired of them first.
As for telling blind jokes, I did once, having come into the club late, and received huge applause.
Then the compere told me there were 30+ totally blind people in the audience, a bus trip from a 'blind school' as they used to be called.
They thought I was taking the piss out of them, and they loved it.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 05:33 AM

heloo-Richrad Branson is dislecsic, so is that bloke off the radio, ive forgot his name now, that bald bloke waht used to be on telly.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 07:31 AM

Another serrious reflection:
I went to law school, just before the Americans with Dysablities act was passed. So, I was rather open about my dysablity, which is a problem seqencing, which is sort of the inverse of dyslexia. Folks who have been here around, know it is the reason for my odd spelling. While in law school the ADA was passed and some students got in through special accomodation, they were in every way as qualified as any other to be in that school, and to get there needed to be the most accomplished students in the US - this was one of the top three law schools (or as our dean liked to say, one of the five schools that can call itself the third best...) These six or so students were put in touch with me by the office for students with dysablities, as they knew, as I was not seeking a corporate carreer and was already "out" about my challenges, I would act as their voice to the varrious places in the school, like the library, where they found barriers - such as not being able to bring a lap top into the library. They needed, for the sake of being hired eventualy, to hide their dysability, for example, when one employer found I had a L.D., she - for an entire day, spoke to me very slowly, as though I had a cognitive problem, until I sat down at the end of the day and explained to her life with my dysablity, no big deal until you are asked to write something long hand or do simple math, or turn left very quickly.
But all this comes, eventualy to the above question, are these jokes funny. No. When I hear these jokes I remember a young woman, who was one of the six L.D. students at my law school being made to take her exam in a separate room, so as to get a little more time and be able to use her computer, and the school asigning a room next to construction outside on the street, and having her come to peices becasue of the distraction which a student with no dysablity would have found to be a challenge. It was heart rending, because it was beyond crule that the proctors for the exam did not think that this was wrong. She was alowed to take the exam another day, but people often just don't think.
I agree with above that one of the few funny L.D. jokes is dyslexics untie, and there was a group at an anti war march that had a funny sign about dislexics against war - I don't remember what the sign was but it was a funny letter switch, but generally the jokes just aren't funny.
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 08:48 AM

I must point this out. And when you're finished being shocked and disgusted, check his home page.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 09:24 AM

James Wale.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 09:38 AM

Well, I thought they were funny before I got to the home page ... I guess it's like the old song says: "if it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all."

There's an undefinable line beyond which a joke is in bad taste and shouldn't told/shown. But there's a second undefinable line beyond which bad taste becomes so outrageously extreme it becomes acceptable again. And a lot depends on who's telling it, and why. It's not so long ago that it was held to be self-evidently very bad that disabled people should be allowed to make their own decisions, especially when it came to having children; and don't even think about -- gasp -- sex.

That reminds me:

Self-evident: evident to oneself and no-one else.
(Ambrose Bierce: The Devils' Dictionary)


Steve

PS Well done with the carrot!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Trying to understand and help
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 10:18 AM

A friends son is dyslexic. Apart from many of the problems described above I am told that he particularly has difficulty with what I describe as "short cut thinking". Its the kind of situation where he is trying to explain something to you, you quickly grasp where he is heading, but for him to follow his own train of thought he has to work through the "chain of thought" in its correct sequence, he cant short cut.

I think at times it is a problem we can all have, but from what I am told, it seems exagerated in him. Do other dyslexics have this problem? He is an intelligent young man in Higher Education at the moment and still finds this part of his dyslexia very frustrating when communicating with others because it can seem to make him slow witted which is not the case.

He has worked so hard to overcome the other elements of his dyslexia it seems a pity that this still remains such an issue for him. Any advice for him from those with more experience of coping with this kind of thing? I am posting this anonymously as I do not have permission to raise the issue so I appologise in but I do not want to do anything that could identfy him or his family without that permission.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 11:50 AM

Dyslexia is a term applied to those who don't naviagate the printed page and the symbols thereon in the same way as the majority of readers. It's only considered a problem because those who process information differently are in the minority of total readers.

I remember what I hear and I remember what I read, but I read slowly so it seems I hear more efficiently because it covers more material. I have adapted my other senses, as it were, to take in the information. I am good at public speaking and worked for years giving talks and tours as a National Park Service ranger in both natural and historic settings. Extemporaneous speaking is something I can do easily; I rarely speak from prepared notes (using them only for the topic sentences to keep me on track).

It's like learning the words to a song and singing it from the knowlege of the song and subject instead of reading the words from the Blue Book or other printed matter. Once you've internalized the information you can draw from it in any number of ways.

When you think about it, reading literacy is a relatively new thing in human populations world-wide. Prior to this, it was the spoken word that was important, and the memory for stories and the ability to pass them along. Storytellers and singers were privileged as having important teaching and entertaining roles in society.

Perhaps with this diagnosis we're simply seeing a reversal of the skills society considers desirable. And there is quite a long list of famous and talented individuals who are dyslexic. Many performers, humorists, and writers deal with varying degrees of the condition. It isn't an affliction unless you are led to believe that you're a victim, and behave accordingly. I'd hazard a guess that it is these skills that bring a lot of members to Mudcat, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a high percentage of dyslexic members of the group.

SRS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: JenEllen
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 01:39 PM

How many dyslexics does it take to tell you that a joke is NOT about dyslexia? ....jaysus......


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 11:24 AM

DNA?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: ced2
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 11:29 AM

On a serious note, or adopting a more positive tone(!) There was a dictionary published in the mid 1970's that included a fair number of wrong spellings. The way it worked was that the incorrect spellings were in red and the correct were in black.   So "Count would also appear as the correct spelling for "cownt, kount, kownt, cont etc. Each of these was listed in alphabetical order. It was very useful for many students who had difficulty in spelling. However it had its
obvious limitiations. I am pretty sure it was published by Pergammon and was entitled something like "The Pergammon Dictionay of Perfect Spelling". Of course it was of little use to people who had red/green colour blindness as the red appeared as dark grey.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 03:07 PM

I have one of those, I think mine was put out by the New York Times. Bright yellow book, called The Misspeller's Dictionary. Trouble was, seeing a word spelled wrong tended to imprint the misspellings for me. I'm better off groping around phonetically than seeing it wrong in print.

SRS


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: running.hare
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 07:01 PM

I didn't take to my "awful spellers Dictionary" either. I found I never mis-spelled a word the way they thought I should!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Edmund
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 08:59 PM

To change the line of thought a bit ... I have been wondering for days if a dyslexic Chinese person would have trouble reading and writing characters. Then I ran across this thread and couldn't resist asking.

I know this sounds like a put on, but I am coaching my granddaughter in her Chinese studies and really did have this thought occur to me.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 09:15 PM

Good question. I suspect if you do a google search on it you won't be able to read the answers. :)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,arn't all jokes?
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 04:55 AM

Two dyslexics skiing down a hill, one said to the other "I love them zag zigs" the other replied, "It's zig zags you mean", the argument went on for some time till the saw a man on a sledge coming down the hill so they asked him to decide whether it was "zag zigs or zig zags", the man replied "how should I know I'm a tobogganist" to which one of the dyslexics reply "that's OK can I have a pack of Marlboro then"

N.B. The "joke" is not relevant to Dyslexia, It could have been a woman sledging, neither is it trying to encourage people to smoke or meant as an advert for the particular brand of cigarette.

Those who try to analyze jokes fail to see the point of a "Joke" how many jokes do you know that do not rely on having fun at "someone else's expense"?

start adding them to this list - I'll start it off with mmmmmmmmmmmm errrrrrrrr    ok someone else think of something


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,by CJ Crennell
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 05:03 AM

CJ has just finished University which is fantastic news for us mums and dads to know



D is for . . .


D is for dummy & dope
D is for those who can't cope
D is for disruptive, stupid & lazy
D is for students who drive parents crazy

D is for butterfingers, who can't catch a ball
D is for idiots who don't get it all
D is for "everyone else understands"
D is for people in bottom bands
D is for despairing, trouble-makers,attention-takers
D is for difficult & "Do it again"
D is for "God, you're a lame-brain"

But D is also for dyslexic, dyspraxic & disabled
D is for people who shouldn't be labelled


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,pert
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 01:17 PM

sign on door of obsessive compulsive center.
will the last one to leave please turn the lights off, and on,
and off, and on ...

I thought this was funny but when I told it to a friend whos sister
was obs/comp she didnt laugh. (I didnt know about her sister)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 07:25 PM

Just retiring as a lecturer in Further Education (Community College or similar for USA readers). Many of our students have "failed" at school because schools do not like diagnosing students as dyslexics because they do not get enough money to provide support.

Many so called "thick" students are simply undiagnosed dyslexics who go on to University where they get first class degrees. And since people started suing - loads of support. Computers are a great help to achievement.

I forget the exact figure but something like 40% of all prisoners (UK) are dyslexic. You would think that might tell people something!!

Famous dyslexics include Richard Branson, Einstein, Churchill, Michael Heseltine, Jackie Stewart, Susannah York, and too many succesful sportspeople to name.

Regards,

Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Ritchie
Date: 22 Oct 03 - 08:09 AM

My new 'hobby' is to accept every suggestion that the 'spell checker' throws up when I compose an email and then send it ...hee hee hee.

ritchie (acting his shoe size not his age)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: TIA
Date: 22 Oct 03 - 09:18 AM

Back to music-

Old Macdonald had a farm, O I E I E......


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: LadyJean
Date: 22 Oct 03 - 10:57 PM

I do tell a Newfie joke. Did you hear the one about the Newfoundlander who opened a Chinese restaurant? The food's just great, but half an hour later, you're half an hour later. The humor depends on the fact that Newfoundland is half an hour ahead of the rest of the east coast, not on the notion that "Newfs" are lesser beings, or not "real Canadians".
When my mother had her mastectomy, several of her nosy friends asked me which breast had been removed. I can't tell right from left, unless I think about it, so I honestly couldn't tell them. I find this funny, mostly because I had an opportunity to disappoint a bunch of snoopy old biddies.
I don't think I'd be amused if somebody else had decided to be funny about it.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: s&r
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 04:16 AM

I'm not sure where the "40% of uk prisoners are dyslexic" comes from. Prisons routinely screen for literacy and numeracy levels, and each prisoner is interviewed by a trained member of the Education Staff. I currently interview new prisoners and might believe 4% but not 40%.

Many prisoners are poorly educated and a lot of effort is expended to improve levels during their sentence(s) with a good success rate.

There is dyslexia, but not always as claimed; quite often very loose definitions of dyslexia prove to be undiagnosed.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: s&r
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 04:37 AM

Found this on Google http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/1288334.stm there were also some wild reports that Folkiedave must have seen based on flawed assumptions that poor reading is usually caused by dyslexia


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 03:12 AM

pdq - that is really interesting. At first I read Amazing, only when rereading it I noticed the wrong order of the letters.
May it console the dyslexics that they have the advantage of not being analphabets. This disadvantage can be a bad handicap at working life.
And your (really funny) jokes about dyslexia prove what I always thought: The best jokes about problems are told by the people concerned.
I have learned a lot about a problem I didn't know anything before, and by some learned contributions, about the brain working while reading.

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Ker
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 06:40 PM

I'm Dyslexic I don't find the offensive at all. If u say it in a certain way then it can b or if u don't no wat it is when u make the jk. Some are stupid some are good the "Dyslexics worship Dog" is good even though as far as I no none of us have ever mixed that up. Some are good some are bad, the bad 1s are then they have nothing to do with the symptoms of Dyslexia like when they are "talking" that would just b mishearing. The ones that I actually have 2 study are the realy good1s. Like the "All Dyslexics Untie!" that took me a bit 2 c where the joke was, it was realy good (=^,..,^=)
Its I ironic realy cuz when u or atleast I was found out that I was dyslexic and not just stupid. They gave me a bunch of books that they wanted me 2 read about it -_-.... its like they where mocking me (I never read them) the main thing is bdpq not the whole word backwards, those r bad 1s.
I finally got who and how down as of last year b prowed of me :) yay 504 plan!!!   (spell check is our friend! but not always if ur Dyslexic)
wow wat a ramble... wow... whow....wat was wat?
bye byez hope that helped (I'm rambling cuz of boredom not cuz of any mental disability btw)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 06:48 PM

Generally those who are offended are not a part of (fill in the appropriate group)

As an example,one of the funniest jokes about Scotland I've ever heard came from my late Uncle Andy, yet I remember him telling the joke (the accent was required for full effect) and this young English woman came up to him (it was at a pub) and accused him of being racist, so my Uncle replied, using a veddy veddy posh English accent (he was very good with regional and national accents and dialects)No my dear young lady, NOW I'm being racist.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 08:02 PM

A story from Australia, which is sort of relevant:

Old man in a restaurant with his family and he's getting angry, and he shouts out. "HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU - I CAN'T STAND ABORIGINES"

People around look shocked. Family looks mortified. "Calm down Dad" says the son. "Everyone is looking at us."

"I don't care - it's the truth. I hate aborigines. I think they're poison."

"That just isn't true, Dad. And anyway, the word is 'aubergines'."


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 08:06 PM

Never met a joke yet that didn't offend someone.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 09:34 PM

For what is worth, I once coined the following during a somewhat mellow session at a local bar:

Me:   "Do you know that my wife is the chairperson of the local chapter of the D.A.M.?"

Mellow drinking mate, half way through his fifth or eighth drink "Really? What's the D.A.M?"

Me:    "Mothers Against Dyslexia"


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Gurney
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:14 PM

jOhn, right at the top, asked "would you tell a 'blind' joke to blind people."
Well, once long ago, from the stage, I did, to a coachload of sight-impaired. And they loved it! They thought I was taking the piss out of them!
In my defence, it was mild, without ill-will, and funny, and I didn't know they WERE blind. You can't always tell, unless you slip on the dog-shit.

I suspect that a funny crack is still funny when it is aimed at someone. Even you. Mates needle each other all the while.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:21 PM

Revisiting this old thread--funny how as I read I found myself wondering if I answered some question or other, and reading a little further along, there it was.

SRS


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Subject: ADD: The Original Tale of Rindercella
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:36 PM

The Original Tale of Rindercella


This is the story of Rindercella and her sugly isters.
Rindercella and her sugly isters lived in a marge lansion. Rindercella
worked very hard frubbing sloors, emptying poss pits, and shivelling shot.
At the end of the day, she was knucking fackered. The sugly isters were
right bugly astards. One was called Mary Hinge, and the other was called
Betty Swallocks; they were really forrible huckers; they had fetty sweet and
fatty swannies. The sugly isters had tickets to go to the ball, but the
cotton runts would not let Rindercella go.
Suddenly there was a bucking fang, and her gairy fodmother appeared. Her
name was Shairy Hithole and she was a light rucking fesbian. She turned a
pumpkin and six mite wice into a hucking cuge farriage with six dandy
ronkeys who had buge hollocks and dig bicks. The gairy fodmother told
Rindercella to be back by dimnlight otherwise, there would be a cucking
falamity. At the ball, Rindercella was dancing with the prandsome hince when
suddenly the clock struck twelve. 'Mist all chucking frighty!!!' said
Rindercella, and she ran out tripping barse over ollocks, so dropping her
slass glipper.
The very next day the prandsome hince knocked on Rindercella's door and the
sugly isters let him in.. Suddenly, Betty Swallocks lifted her leg and let
off a fig bart. 'Who's fust jarted??' asked the prandsome hince. 'Blame that
fugly ucker over there!!' said Mary Hinge. When the stinking brown cloud had
lifted, he tried the slass glipper on both the sugly isters without success
and their feet stucking funk. Betty Swallocks was ducking fisgusted and gave
the prandsome hince a knack in the kickers. This was not difficult as he had
bucking fuge halls and a hig bard on. He tried the slass glipper on
Rindercella and it fitted pucking ferfectly. Rindercella and the prandsome
hince were married. The pransome hince lived his life in lucking fuxury, and
Rindercella lived hers with a follen swanny!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 03:19 AM

longboat,that was posted earlier in this thread. Surely Rindercella is spoonerism not a dyslexia issue.

I saw somebody doing that live at Gainsborough Folk Club and it was so funny, I thought I was going to have a heart attack through laughing so much.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 05:23 AM

Don't tell 'em that, Villan. Don't want anyone thinking we have fun - it's a Folk Club fer Gawd's sake! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 05:54 AM

As a 'classic' dyslexic, like the guests with this condition who have posted earlier, I don't find the jokes offensive per se - just unfunny as they simply don't describe the experience of dyslexia although they may be amusing in poking gentle fun at spoonerism or some kind of 'medical mondegreen' condition.

I learned to read quickly at an early age as I recognized the 'shape' of words in a specific context - for example pool and pond could be totally interchangable and am still a very fast and avid reader
But, I would (and still do) struggle with anagrams or even a simple word spelt in reverse which don't make any kind of 'sense' to me.

I experienced more difficulties in my professional training at university but, in my early career, all staff were required to use audio typists anyways and subsequently I rely on a good spell check programme - with some quite hilarious/embarassing typos from time to time :)

However rwo of the jokes made me laugh

Dyslexics of the world untie! - after I'd reread it :)

and
from JenEllen

How many dyslexics does it take to tell you that a joke is NOT about dyslexia?

'Em'


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 06:13 AM

Did I mention I was a lousy typist too! :)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:01 AM

>> it's a Folk Club fer Gawd's sake<<

Well it was folking funny BMW. :-)

I wish I could get John to come and do that at Faldingworth as an opener. Mind you I would need first aiders on hand, just in case.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 11:28 AM

I knew a neurotic, dyslexic insomniac. he was awake all night worrying about whether there was a dog.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 11:46 AM

That the guy who wore Levis, in memory of Elvis?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 12:08 PM

Considering that until pretty recently many Dyslexics were diagnosed as "Lazy and Stupid", to have jokes about Dyslexia, seems to me to represent something of an improvement in popular awareness regarding the existence of the condition. I'd imagine that a bit of ribbing regarding a relatively mild 'disability', is an improvement on being made to feel like a complete thicko and slacker.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 12:21 PM

As a dyslexic, if I don't put my posts into WORD and re-read it 6 times I get all sorts of indignant criticism over spelling.

Recently people wrote in response "garbage, why should I consider anything this person wrote as true with such glaring spelling errors?"

I don't bother to tell them that I am trying harder than they know.

Then half the time I paste the original version rather than the WORD version and have to ask an admin to change my post.

Somtimes the intended meaning remains the same despite dyslexia, such as "The queer old Dean" and "The dear old Queen", but usually dyslexia changes the meaning entirely and makes writing and reading a supreme effort.

Often dyslexic people have a heightened sense of spatial relationships, so their are some benefits in visualisation and invention be it in art, sculpture or engineering. Sometimes I think if I had a writing partnership like a Rodgers and Hammerstein duo, some good things could happen. Hope springs eternal and feels so good, if only for a fleeting dream of the prefectly written story.


As for jokes...can't get enough of em.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 12:49 PM

I STILL like the Dyslexic Pimp who opened a warehouse


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 03:07 PM

I am fond of the dyslexic insomniac agnostic who stayed up late at night wondering if there really was a dog. Given the nature of the condition, the joke is very droll. But it is in no manner meant to be offensive to any individual, any more than blonde jokes or lawyer jokes are meant to offend blonde lawyers.



A


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 03:54 PM

Guest, ..understand

Yes the short cut gets convoluted.
Dyslexia seems to produce a lot of associative thinking.
To remember A one has to remember B and to remember C you have to access C. This seems like a very twisted trail to merely speak of A, but thats the way it is.

The plus side of this associative mind trail is that new or different connections can occur which may sometimes seem like an intuitive leap or genius. Given enough thoughts some are bound to make a new and meaningful connection or innovation. Most of the time however the associative connections merely slows communication down.

Speaking aloud will betray this slow fractal detour of thought, while writing allows time to use all the associations to their best effect and can produce creative or erudite moments you would not expect from the same person who speaks so haltingly or haphazardly.

The short cut in the spoken speech of dyslexics does suffer while in written speech the short cut can be virtually eloquent.


Reciting from memory can be accomplished with exaggerated repetition. The practice time varies with each individual.
What might take you 10 repetitions to memorize The Night Before Chrismas would take me 4 or 5 hundred times.

I wonder how many dyslexics are ever admitted to the Masonic Order, since the recitation in the initiation and gaining higher orders/rank is down right voluminous.

Perhaps another aspect of dyslexia is the propensity for them to go on and on and go from pillar to post is a never ending but annoying run on sentence that could last forever despite....etc.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SharonA
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 05:14 PM

I thought Rindecella had sisty uglers.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:09 PM

If we're getting on to talking seriously about dyslexia, here an interesting angle on it Dyslexia Differs by Language:

"Dyslexia affects different parts of children's brains depending on whether they are raised reading English or Chinese. That finding, reported in Monday's online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, means that therapists may need to seek different methods of assisting dyslexic children from different cultures."


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:36 PM

From a Prairie Home Companion email:

Did you hear about the hen who won a literary award? ... It was a pullet surprise!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:00 PM

Chinese not only differs in symbols vs words it is also a language that depends on specific pitch as in music. This to me is why different parts of the brain are involved.

A Chinese speaker will use the exact same pitch for certain words when they are tested weeks months or years apart.

Also about 5 times as many Chinese children end up with perfect pitch when compared to American children. This too is probably realted to the sing song nature of the language.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:04 PM

Dyslexia is NOT a disability!

It is also not something to be laughed at, in the wrong way.

It is purely another way for the brain to work, which is not worse than any other way.

What is offensive, and a 'joke' is the fact there are STILL in the 21st century, thick people out there who are totally unaware of what dyslexia actually is, or how to go about understanding it!

Yeesh!!

And what is even worse, is that many of those people are TEACHERS!

Yup, those who regard themselves as somewhat superior in the intelligence department, but in reality, all to often are thick as pig's whatsit, and deem it their 'right' to belittle, humiliate, wound and scar deeply sensitive, creative children, for no other reason than the 'lights' in their brain are brightest in the 'creativity' section.

I am the mother of dyslexic children, the sister of a dyslexic brother and the daughter of a dyslexic father...and I'm well on that circle myself too.

I have been made a 'joke' of by some folk on here, for the way I write...even read that I'm easy to 'track' because of the way I write, and that was said by someone who apparently is a teacher of dyslexic adults (Holy Jumping Catfish!)

At 7, my son was already being belittled by his 'teacher' for his spelling, despite her knowing he was on 'the circle'....My brother was told, throughout his school life that he was 'lazy and stupid'....I even had him held up as an example in my French class as someone who had 'the ability' but was too darn lazy to use it..and my French teacher then told the class that I was 'just like my brother'..

Non-Holy Jumping Catfish!!!

Of course, 'they' didn't know about dyslexia back then, just thought it was their right to judge.

The hurt, the humiliation, the anger caused by those who think dyslexia is a joke often lasts a lifetime....It wounds, it scars...and it runs deep!

My brother grew up angry. He eventually found a way to make a living....from rubbish dumps...amongst other people who were deemed 'illeterate' and as 'rubbishy' as the 'dumps' they worked on!

Ted was a prime example. He couldn't write his name, signed always with a X....but that man built his own house! Not only that, but he designed it too! AND...not only THAT, but he built it on The Somerset Levels, boring deep into the ground to make it stable....

Over and again, you'll find some of the most creative people, the best songwriters, the best musicians, the most fantastic artists, the best dancers, athlete's, etc...are dyslexic. They have the ability to 'see' inside...They have the ability to know how an instrument plays, before they've even picked it up...

The artist who is able to peel back, visually, each layers of paint on the Great Masters paintings, so they can 'see' how they put the painting together, thus recreating it, as my daughter can, thinking that everyone does this when they look at a painting...The dancer who 'sees' themselves from above, the songwriter who 'is ' the song....

Churchill, the man who fought so hard to gain control of language, and through that language that he went so deep into, came the inspiration for an entire nation, held together by HIS words......words that once he was ridiculed for not understanding how to spell..how to put together, held back in Harrow, belittled, humiliated over it...but all his life through he practised his speeches over and again, shutting himself away to write them, learn them, word perfect...

So often, those who've had the most terrible, unimaginably rotten time at school, are the most intelligent of all the pupils there, but they give up, turn their face to the wall, create havoc, through their misery.....

Why?

Because those who deem themselves 'intelligent' CANNOT and WILL NOT see the child within!

Geez, it makes me so effing mad!

Even to this day, it happens..with all the wonderful information around it STILL happens...and why? Because no-one has any flaming time! And when you force a dyslexic child to learn in YOUR world, they need so MUCH time.

But tell me, do we dyslexic people for YOU to learn in our world? Do we state that you are thick, stupid, idiotic, purely because you are boring ol' farts who pick over facts that so often we cannot even recall??

Nope.

we just get on with our muddled up, imaginative, anything goes, colourful lives...where rainbows light up our minds, rather than blackboards and chalk....

Dyslexia jokes...?

Well, I recall listening to Les Barker telling a few way back and laughing until I cried....mainly because he was laughing 'with' and not 'at'......

But no, WE are not Jokes! We are simply US, the same as you, are YOU. No better, no worse....Equal in every way....just with very different skills to you, the way that Mother Nature intended....


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:30 PM

Judy Goldblum-Carlton says that "The most powerful thing we're given is our ability to laugh. It's our greatest gift, especially if we can laugh at ourselves and not take ourselves so seriously."

Well folks some of the jokes are very funny, as I said, spoonerisms and 'mondegreens' can be hilarious, I particularly like the Pullitzer prize one and intend to steal - sorry 'borrow' it :)

However as a dyslexic the only 'offence' I can take is that many of the so called jokes here have really nothing whatsoever to do with dyslexia and refect a general ignorance about what dyslexia is and ISN'T!

It seems it's not only dyslexics who apprently have trouble reading; please take a look at some of the posts from people like myself with this 'condition'

And please post jokes that actually relate to the real problems and unintentional humour of dyslexia like confusing marital and martial -as someone with this condition I can assure you there is a goldmine out there waiting to be mined and shared with people like myself

But please spare us the 'jokes' that suggest we cannot distinguish between God and dog.
I don't often find myself agreeing with Lizzie but - we are not idiots!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 09:44 PM

Anyone remember the old hymn "Nearer my Gob to Thee"?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:01 AM

if you suffer from dyslexia Helen who writes your posts then?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:03 AM

i have a problem with maths I can add and take away but for multiplying and divening I canne did right well


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 02:09 PM

The problem with the post that started this thread is that the jokes are about deaf people. The punch lines are supposed to be pronounced in the same way as Helen Keller jokes, with which they are closely linked.

The poster who for some reason thought they were about dyslexia has given away the reason why they are not perceived as a comedian.

It was the 'unreliable narrator' aspect to this thread that made me wish to bother with it at all.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 02:10 PM

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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 03:13 PM

I could never get the hang of taking jokes seriously. The basis of all this type of joke is an implied stereotype which often has no factual basis - a joke in itself. To react as though the joke is a personal slight not only serves to reinforce the stereotype, it also seems to indicate rather an exaggerated sense of self-importance.

This is a very interesting video, but don't be put off by the somewhat misleading title.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:33 PM

I'm sorry? Helen Keller jokes????????????????????????


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:39 PM

No, I never heard a Helen Keller joke either - I don't get out enough, obviously.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:53 PM

But if one had poor enough taste, one couldn't help but wonder how good she was at pinball.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:19 PM

Sorry....Helen Keller was a bloody wonderful woman. She is not a subject for jokes.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:23 PM

I'm not going there. Suffice it to say the jokes that lead off this thread would be found in poor taste by pretty much everyone in this thread, and most mammals besides.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:32 PM

Indeed she was, but black humour has been around for a very long time, and not everyone understands and/or appreciates it.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:59 PM

Circa 1956: Define Perpetual Motion. Answer: Helen Keller in a revolving door.

I suspect Helen would have been amused.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 07:25 PM

that is actually NOT a Helen Keller joke. (and it is not funny). You're missing the point.



simply put, there are jokes that are funny, pathetic, and offensive.

pretty much anyone can be made the butt of a joke, and depending on the nature of the joke, and the joke-teller, anyone can be amused OR offended.

And there are jokes that only a few might find funny, and pretty much everyone else offended.

One of my favorite illustrations of the limits of ethnic humor, and I've used it in Mudcat before is the following:

    - - - - - - - - - - -

A: "Hey let me tell ya this Muleskinner joke, it'll make ye split yer sides."

B: "Naw, my father and my uncle were muleskinners, I don't hold with no such tripe."

A: "Ah, sorry 'bout that podner, I don't want to offind ye none, tell yer whut, I'll make it about carriage drivers, will that make yer feel bedder 'about it?"

B: "Sure, thank ye, frien, so tell me this 'ere 'carriage driver' joke"

A: "Okay, see, there's these carriage drivers, see,"

B: "okay"

A: "And they're sitting around, see,"

B: "yeah"

A: "And they're skinnin' this mule-"


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:06 PM

The revolving door was a 'spastic' joke when I heard it. That would be the 60s though - we were more enlightened by then.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 02:56 PM

So, let me get this straight....a woman who, as a young child, was trapped inside the hell of her closed mind, unable to speak, see or hear...unable to comprehend anything at all....who fought like a wild animal...whose every waking moment was actually 'beyond hell'...became the source for jokes?

Despite the fact that against every single iota of 'odds' she learnt, through her magically gifted teacher, Annie Sullivan, who had fought her own unbelievable battles, to communicate with an entire world, not just a single person, was the subject for jokes?

She was an INSPIRATION! So was Annie! These two women came into each other's lives for a reason. Without Annie having suffered as she did, she'd not have had the determination to drag Helen out of her hell, to never give up...to KNOW that she had been given a spiritual journey that belonged solely to her...

Without Annie, Helen would have spent her entire life in total darkness. Darkness of vision, darkness of hearing, darkness of voice, darkness of soul! Trapped in interminable never-ending darkness until she died.....

And yet, look what the two of them, together, achieved!

"I AM NOT DUNB NOW!" - Helen Keller

And you can see her 'listening' to Annie, feeling her throat, and talking, right here on Youtube in this amazing film.....

Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan - Two AMAZING WOMEN and two of my Absolute Heroes!


"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

Helen Keller was no joke, she was the most Inspirational of women, as was her Teacher, Annie. And I think I'm right in saying that there is now a new coin in the US, recognising Helen Keller.

This world has become a joke, when ignorant people regard someone so incredible as a person to poke fun at.

Geez, we have lost the plot...*seriously* lost the plot.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 07:12 PM

No-one's actually laughing at Helen Keller; she is neither the cause nor the point of the jokes, merely a 'prop'. Few great or famous people have escaped the (often dubious) honour of being named in jokes, but the jokes themselves are seldom original, or even good. It's a tradition... (cough) Anyway, I don't think the intent behind them is generally as hateful as it might appear to be at first glance. Often tasteless and unfunny, but not malicious.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:04 PM

Ain't no joke


Noruen had seen many of his friends come and go over the last 60 years. He used to communicate with some of them long distance via the virtual smell of hormones and proteins. His local friends were all an arms length away. In this case some of his neighbors had eight or nine arms. Sometimes they would wake him up in the middle of the night as if he had been jolted with electricity.

Today was unlike all the days of his entire life. Today was for grieving and saying goodbye. Everyone was slowly finding it harder and harder to breathe. Enilon Erda swept through town ike a hurricane but as she left the entire town was abuzz with a feeling of resignation and the loss of good close friends. But there was something more. Something deeply sad about losing something greater as though the feeling that they were a part of something greater was going away.

Greiving over some amorphous loss of something he could not see but always felt as though he was a part of, made Noruen feel confused but there was no denying that he too was unable to breathe any longer. Losing each other, losing oneself, losing that part of ourselves that was something greater, that was the kind of grieving that each of the 100 billion Noruen felt personally, as Sally lay dieing of injuries inflicted by a hit and run drunk driver.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:17 PM

Noruen knew that many of his sharper friends were already going or gone. He reached out to the distant ones for a last contact. Two way communication was now lost. He sent a farewell to one, received one from another, all of them with the sense that the links were breaking and dissolving, and darkness was now all around, and ahead as well.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:35 PM

Scone's Cousin has left the building.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Roger in Sheffield
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:45 PM

I think it is unfair that some members comment on Jeddy's atrocious spelling.

Instead of complaining, simply accept as variant spellings those words Jeddy most commonly misspell.'

Either go on beating yourselves up over this problem or simply give everyone a break and accept these variant spellings as such.

All I am suggesting is that you might well put 20 or so of her most commonly misspelt words in the English language on the same footing as those other words that have a widely accepted variant spelling.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:59 PM

I think you're in the wrong room, old bean..


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:07 PM

remember


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:09 PM

So it be.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:18 PM

A dyslexic state trooper was stopping cars checking for I.I.D.s

Art (VERY FUNNY TO ME. Told it for years & years.)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:51 PM

addendum to my thread drift ;*/

Radio Lab.org did 11 meditations on the nature of death.
The one about neurons having a life and a death of their own was unusually moving. Robo I think you got it word for word?! Did you hear it too?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 02:36 PM

My last post had a typo.

It ought to say:

A dyslexic state trooper was stopping cars checking for IUDs.

NOT IIDs !!! (if he was checking for those, it would be a symptom of a whole other malady...

A CHALLENGE:

Mudcatters, what might that disease be??!

Art


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 03:34 PM

Yeah, Smokey. Tasteless but certainly not malicious.

After the Challenger disaster it took less than three days for my son to come home from school with an assortment of Christie McCullough jokes. None funny but all designed to what? shock? I don't know.

I was commenting on this a few months back to a friend and I observed that I thought it significant that the Twin Towers disaster had not produced similar jokes. His comment: "You don't know any NY firemen, do you?" Apparently, there are thousands of similar jokes at least within certain circles.

There are people in my office who find outrageous humor hysterical and often I agree with them. There are others who think that Everybody Loves Raymond is brilliant humor. It bores me to tears - repetitive, inane, stereotypical claptrap. In fact, I can imagine a few who would go off on the idea that it ridicules and belittles women.

I am curious, Lizzie. What do you find humorous? What book, movie, TV program, song, joke, whatever do you find humorous?

I laugh out loud at Kendall's stories, certain scenes from Moby Dick, The Producers, Severn's puns, Art Thieme's tall stories, Micca's antics, Jacqui and the other Evil Sisters when they are at their best and I am not the victim. Early Bill Cosby reduced me to tears. Tami's tales of tourists - very black humor, by the way. Morticia's sly wit. Spaw's epic tales of Paw and the Reg Boys. Some of it very broad humor; some of it very clever; some mean spirited; some very gentle.

So, what makes you laugh?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 03:56 PM

What makes me laugh?....Things that don't poke fun at people, or abuse someone who fought so damned hard to get her life back..I guess.

So, are racist jokes OK, then?

Is it OK to poke fun at autistic kids, dyslexic kids, hohohohoho oh?

After all, they're all 'just a bit of fun', huh?

Sorry, there are some things that are funny and some that are not.

The feminists won't let you 'make fun' of women.....not even allowed to call the Girlies any more, as this is apparently 'disrespectful'....but folks are saying that it's OK to laugh at someone who, quite literally, amazed the world with what she achieved?

I dunno, maybe it's me. Maybe I need to lighten up a bit and start cracking jokes about the folk up the road from me, all of whom have learning difficulties...or the folk next door to me, all of whom have severe autism difficulties....I mean..,,maybe I should be laughing out loud about them, telling people on the bus....

Or maybe I should be thinking that there but for the Grace of God go I, and when the young girl next door is screaming her head off, so deeply distressed that no-one can reach her, maybe I should be thinking, "Geez, poor young girl, to be trapped inside so deeply, in a place where no-one can help, no-one can reach you..."

I don't think she deserves to be laughed about. I think she deserves admiration for still being alive. I think she deserves compassion, kindness and sympathy....and as much help as those who nurse her are able to give her....

And I think that Helen Keller was a truly Magnificent woman.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 04:10 PM

But you haven't answered my question. What makes you laugh? When was the last time you just laughed out loud and why?

It's not a trick or a trap.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 06:05 PM

Look a bit deeper Lizzie, or at least try not to criticise what you don't understand. I mean no offence by this, but I fear you're missing the point I was trying to make.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 07:00 PM

I don't think she deserves to be laughed about.

That seems to imply that there are those who do deserve to be laughed about. Who are they, who decides, and on what grounds? (Bearing in mind that I don't think anyone is laughing about her.)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 10:59 PM

I must say I'm sorry for mentioning I.U.D.s in Mudcats mixed company.

Oh, the humanity.

Art


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 11:32 PM

I think the justification of black humour is probably best illustrated by haemorrhoids.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 08:22 AM

I thought you mentioned D.U.I.s, Art.

Oh the confusion!

I have been thinking a lot about this thread. There was a movie a while back with Gene Wilder. One of the main characters was deaf; the other blind. Together they witness a murder and end up getting hunted by the killers. It never occurred to me that someone could believe that this was ridiculing the blind and deaf but I guess someone could. The critics panned the movie for its adolescent humor but the public ate it up. To my knowledge, no criticiasm came from ridiculing the handicapped.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 08:34 AM

criticism


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:40 AM

Hakman: I actually liked what you wrote and figured that it had to be a personal neuron, so I used what was left of my imagination.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 03:32 PM

... and Scone's Cousin is not quite full consciousness.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 03:40 PM

Enilon Erda?

Is that 'read online' or am I missing something?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 04:28 PM

sinsull, I did not know that Kendal wrote funny stories. I will look for some.

One of the funniest things to me is when completely humorless people insist that they have a sense of humor. It kills me.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 04:39 PM

Donuel,
Kendall published a book of Maine stories years ago called Stories Told In The Kitchen. It came from a TV Series he did on PBS in Maine by the same name. Hysterically funny stuff with a guest humorist every week. They sat at a table with tea and biscuits and let it happen.
You can find the book on ebay. Kendall will autograph it if you ask.

I have been reading a website about humor. It is written by a psychologist investigating what, why, how, ect we laugh or don't.
He has an entire page of Helen Keller Jokes. I will post the link tonight.

He states what Smokey so elegantly posted above. Helen Keller is not the butt of the jokes; the humor lies in the unexpected and the outrageous.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:03 PM

I don't know whether it was Heinlein or somebody else, but I remember reading the assertion that (and I'm paraphrasing) all laughter involves something painful at its core. I thought about that at the time and ever since, and have found not exception.

I'm not talking about intellectually appreciated wit or irony or a cute situation that makes you smile. I mean out-loud laughter. It was why I was interested to see what examples Lizzie gave.

I think laughter is how we exorcise negative emotions. You're afraid of something or someone, find a way to laugh at those fears; you're afraid of doing something stupid, find a way to laugh at the possibilities; you're afraid of mortality, make a joke; the pain you perceive someone may be in makes you feel ill, laugh at it. There's a line most decent people try not to publicly cross, and that's to not laugh at other people but at the pain or fear.

I think if we couldn't laugh, we'd all slit our wrists and humanity would die out or we'd turn into snooty types who think they're smarter than everyone else and humanity would die out (and there would be even MORE stupid political copy/paste flame threads before it did).


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:16 PM

I miss these guys, they used to have me in stitches...

Eric and Ernie


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:54 PM

Laughter is a way of relieving the discomfort of cognitive dissonance, perhaps? A way of assimilating the unacceptable.

I like M & W too, Lizzie, but just out of interest, exactly what do you find makes you laugh in that clip? Where does the humour lie, in your opinion? At which point/s do you laugh?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:18 PM

study Chinese--- and become oriented.

Art


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 02:54 AM

A whole generation of bad writers with short, fat hairy legs has been stigmatised by the cruelty of Eric Morcambe. Shame, I say!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 03:44 AM

"I like M & W too, Lizzie, but just out of interest, exactly what do you find makes you laugh in that clip? Where does the humour lie, in your opinion? At which point/s do you laugh?"


Eric used to crack me up without him even having to say anything...He was just silly, just so, so silly, in a gentle way.

Humour over the past two decades has become far more cruel, far more crude and bitchy than it's ever been before..

Again, I think we've lost something very precious because of that.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 06:58 PM

I completely agree with you about Eric Morecambe, Lizzie, but just what exactly made you laugh in that video you posted? It's a parody of a well-known scene - what did they change to make it funny? What did they add that wasn't in the original? What makes us laugh at it?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 07:58 AM

Smokey, watch it again and pay more attention to Eric (the policeman) to see what they added.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:31 PM

Er, I already know, Manitas....

I was trying to demonstrate something.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 01:43 PM

sorry they just don't do it for me.
i am more into observational humour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TDzoWVouvg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TDzoWVouvg

poking fun at the silly things we all do.

take care all

jade x x x


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 02:31 PM

We 'all' spell words wrongly, misinterpret them or get them muddled up now and again. The degree is variable, but the phenomenon is unavoidable if we are to enjoy the benefits of language. I think to be able to laugh at our shortcomings (ooer, missus) is a gift that we should be very grateful for, and one which should be exercised as often as possible.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:13 PM

A classic.

(But not a dyslexia joke, before anyone points it out..)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:27 PM

I get your point, Smokey. One basis of humor is the unexpected and ridiculous - we have a guy dancing around with an umbrella in an UN rain. Other passersby also hurry along trying to stay drier. And the befuddled cop gets soaked. Add to that - this is an icon of American movies - Gene Kelly in An American In Paris - being spoofed. BUT the dancing is remarkably good. And the cop jumps into the water trough in resignation. An upside world. A sacred icon gently but beautifully ridiculed. Irreverence. Lots of elements of humor.


Ever see Carol Burnett as Scarlett O'Hara?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 04:32 PM

There used to be a Canadian group, I think they included Rich Little, who made great fun of the Anglo/ French divide. The ancient routine I can only recall has PM Diefenbaker attempting to deliver an address to the Quebecois in their own language with a dry Francophone translator translating it to English:

Diefenbaker: "Maze Dames et Maze Yeuzz"
Translator: "My ladies and my EYES"


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:30 PM

Ever see Carol Burnett as Scarlett O'Hara? (Sinsull)

No, but thanks, it's on Youtube & I'm going to watch it later.. I'll enjoy that.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 03:51 PM

"I completely agree with you about Eric Morecambe, Lizzie, but just what exactly made you laugh in that video you posted? It's a parody of a well-known scene - what did they change to make it funny? What did they add that wasn't in the original? What makes us laugh at it?"


It's Eric. You always knew what he was going to do....and he always did it...but somehow, he was just absolutely hilarious when he did it....I used to curl up in giggles on the settee, watching them, when I was little...

And the sketch where he used to con Ern out of the money...and the other one with the flea, in the brown paper bag...I'm laughing now, just thinking about them..It took me an AGE to perfect the flea jumping into the brown paper bag...but I got there, eventually.. :0)

Gosh, I so miss them at Christmas time...

Once, almost the entire nation used to tune in to their Christmas show and how we'd all laugh!

Now we get the Dumbed Down Soaps vying with each other for ratings, so we have stories of incest, murder, rape, shouting, screaming...and they wonder why folks in this country are so bloomin' depressed, fed a diet of misery and nastiness all the time?????

Bring back Eric and Ern...If only, eh...

Ooh, look! I've found them with....The Beatles! :0)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:25 PM

I agree, Lizzie, but they were more innocent times. We get older and society doesn't seem to be able to stand still either. Some call it progress, but I suspect we lose just as much as we gain, so I see it as no more than change. Time progresses all too obviously, but we just change. However, it's quite true to say, that with the increased communications we have, and the instant availability of such delights as you've posted, nostalgia certainly isn't what it used to be.

But back to 'Singing in the Rain', the point I was trying to make is that the actual laughs are when Eric (hapless doorman, not cop, trapped in place by obligation) gets drenched. They even put canned laughter on to tell everyone, and dumped him in a horse trough at the end to 'underline' the joke, which is the misfortune of Eric's character. Hence, the part of Helen Keller was played by Eric Morecombe.

Yes, I generally prefer subtler and gentler humour too; it's usually funnier, but I don't think the basic principles have changed much. Boundaries have to be pushed and tested though, otherwise they wouldn't exist, and then where would we be?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:37 PM

Actually I'm quite thankful we have lost some of the 'humour' of Benny Hill and 'On the Buses' altough I regret the innocence and subtlety of 'Fork handles' although some of the Two Ronnies was anything but :)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:46 PM

Sorry, Smokey. Helen Keller is no joke.

And it's no good trying to tell me that Eric was playing 'her part'. He was just being Eric....he was the same always, fooling around, being funny.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:49 PM

That's what I mean - she isn't the joke; the joke's the joke.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:53 PM

Helen Keller is just playing the part of Eric Morecambe.. is that any better?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 06:52 PM

i am dyslexic and i find some of these jokes offensive. its bad enough getting bullied at school without people posting jokes on the internet.
dyslexia is a condition that people cannot help unless they go somewhere like DORE so i do not think it is right to make fun of them.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 09:56 PM

As Wilfried says...The best jokes about problems are told by the people concerned.

I know this person who says that The only time Dyslexia comes in handy is when she is backing up a trailer.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 10:12 PM

Bert you sod, that wasn't a bad dyslexic joek but hadrly wroth reviving this tried lod htread.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 10:16 PM

Actually it was a true story.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 07:26 AM

These jokes are plays on words, double entendres or whatever you want to call them. If joking about conditions, it's rarely the folks with the conditions that get upset (better word than offended), it's other people getting upset on behalf of them - thanks to Ben Elton for pointing this out!

I find the word offensive to be very upsetting, because folks who say they get offended by something obviously lead very shallow and boring lives, and are most probably trendy lefty pefties.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 03:35 PM

What's a peftie?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Mysha
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 03:53 PM

What's a lexia?

(And the one reviving the thread was Guest.)

Bye
                                                                  Mysha


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 06:25 PM

"dyslexia jokes offensive?"

Not if you write them down.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Annyomis
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 10:56 PM

I dont find them the LEAST bit funny. Do u no any dyslexics? Well i am. I dont unerstand them i can spell i dont take pills and im a very well reader.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:17 PM

! Dyxeiala joeks aboslutely spis me fof


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:46 PM

God forbid we have to give up our inalienable right to make fun of people more unfortunate than we. Or even think about it, really. If they can't stand being made fun of, what the hell are they doing being dyslexic?

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:52 PM

I grew up one of the few gentiles in a Jewish neighborhood. I heard jokes about Jews that portrayed them as dishonest, greedy etc.
One of them (involving a Jewish woman, sex and painting the ceiling) is actually funny. But I wouldn't tell it.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:41 AM

What's a peftie?

No more than a word which rhymes with leftie! So I call our dog Bonzo Ponzo and say my sister in law Monica, I refer to as Monica Ponica - just silly fun really.

We always referred to Chet Atkins as At Chetkins - just games with words. But consider:

Just ask Joyce and Vicky
If candyfloss is sticky
I'm not a blinking thicky
I'm Billericay Dicky
And I'm doing very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-JIzWFfsPk

I'm not sure if candyfloss is a play on anything, but knowing the late grear Ian Dury it wouldn't surprise me!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:03 AM

Dyslexia is concerned with spelling and reading the written word, not misunderstanding the spoken word.

Hmmmm. Dyslexia as she is described medically is about the difficulty of ordering the letters in a word. Though letter substitutions would be included. The way the eye moves is implicated, as a symptom and a means of understanding.

BUT

the dictionary definition doesn't define what comes with dyslexia. Those things are unique to each individual but they are there. My ex-wife had the textual problem, she also found it difficult to pronounce Knarsborough, and Dursley. They represented bogey combination for her. She also was ambidextrous (a clue) and her speech was pretty low on voiced phonemes, probably due to being brought-up with a night-worker dad sleeping in the day, she had to whisper while learning to speak. She misunderstood the connection between reading and speaking, even if she heard it dozens of times. She never reported synaesthesia which is put on the same spectrum by researchers into these things.

Now what caused what and what was inherent is a mystery but like I said - the real problem is a syndrome, each person presents with a subset.

Now how do I e-mail the Dyslexia Society?


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:23 PM

I confess that I haven't read all of this already-long thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating someone else's contribution, BUT . . .

There's a new special-interest group, known as DAMN.

National Mothers Against Dyslexia!


Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 09:55 AM

Many dyslexia jokes are actually word jokes. In tell them, we are enjoying our language.

Why don't we agree to enjoy our word jokes, but not tell them around anybody who actually suffers from dyslexia? That way we enjoy the best of both worlds.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:29 AM

D.N.A.

National Dyslexia Association


I'll get me caot


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:55 AM

I have been severely dyslexic my whole life ... me I love the jokes. one friend sent me a bunch of blond jokes that he converted completely backwards ... I couldn't stop laughing .... why anyone with a sense of humour takes offence to good natured teasing or joking is beyond me


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 10:08 PM

"The only thing that I find offensive is that they don't describe dyslexia. Dyslexia is concerned with spelling and reading the written word, not misunderstanding the spoken word.

Dyslexics rule KO"

Actually, my dyslexia effects my speech and I have huge problems saying words at times even simple ones such as Ceylon - has been pronounced by me as sirloin, etc but never said Ceylon

I'm supposed to be a receptionist for a living as well but I manage and my boss is happy with work.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,aDyslexic
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:33 PM

Dyslexia has many forms some ppl have to fallow the train of thought to finish an idea while others, myself included, go to fast and thinking you understand but in reality they need more info to understand.

Hope that helps explains it better
                  -- aDyslexic


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:42 PM

I been dyslexic all my life, I take no offense to any joke, heck I tease myself


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 05:24 AM

Dyslexics of the world untie!

And now I'll go back to my corner. I'm sorry.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 10:11 AM

Heck I even put my shoes on the wrong feet I am so dyslexic


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,frank
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 12:49 AM

Reading all of the above has made me thirsty, I need a drink.

"Where's the nearest Bra"


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:38 PM

"RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?"

On!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 11:18 AM

One in ten of us has some form of dyslexia. Way fewer of us are natural blondes. If we can have blonde jokes we can have lysdexic jokes. It is not not making fun of the handicapped since dyslexia can produce profound advantages in conceptual thinking, engineering and entrepenurial pursuits. Lysdexia is not dain bramage, nor is it manifested by reversing letters in a sentence.

As a blonde I have had people enjoy telling me blonde jokes way more than they needed.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 04:22 PM

I even put the condoms on backwards I do


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Smokey.
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 04:43 PM

It said 'Pull over organ', and we only had a piano.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:12 PM

All humour is at the expense of someone / something. The Germans reckon there is no word in English to describe finding pleasure in the misfortune of others. There is, we call it humour.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 02:02 PM

Dan... ahhh... no, nevermind.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 02:20 PM

Did you realise that an anagram of Dyslexia jokes is 'lad joke is sexy'?

There must be some significance in there somewhere...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Nick
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 04:49 PM

I walked round the conservation area in our village earlier on today and bumped into a number of dyslexics chatting together.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 08:52 AM

Nick: priceless.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 12:05 PM

Nick, I hate you; I can't figure it out for the life of me.
                                     : )


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 10:59 AM

Oh my dog!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:03 AM

during sex I don't know if I am coming or going ...
OK I will go to the basement ... sorry


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:05 AM

I am so dyslexic that I read the name BOB backwards


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:08 AM

That's because the name Bob is backwards. :)


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:13 AM

KRAB KRAB




Dyslexic dog



People who are dyslexic are of the round world variety compared to the flat worlders, as Thomas Friedman would put it. I always said dimensional compared to linear thinkers, and that is also an exaggeration since we all are a combination of both and not entirely one or the other. Just like trying to describe someone who is all woman or all man, who would that be Dolly Parton and Sylvester Stallone?

Dyslexics are better policy makers while the left brainers are better at organizing policies.
Left brainers use straight lines to connect points, something impossible in the real world. A gross example would be a plane trying to get from London to NYC by a straight line, it would always crash, you have to take the short cut which is a curve north over the globe and down.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 03:28 PM

Nick... ahahahahahahaha!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 01:34 AM

Well I found a Bra to quench my thirst, but I stayed too long and had too many and now my Cup(s) is/are runneth over!


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 01:42 PM

I am so dyslexic that I were my socks as gloves in the winter.


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Subject: RE: dyslexia jokes offensive?
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 01:43 PM

that is wear not were ... see even my hands are dyslexic. I pick my nose with my thumb


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