Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Bill D Date: 22 Oct 03 - 07:04 PM oh, my, Jeri...I have been sitting here all day thinking.."Jeri got turned around!!"..."NO", said Rita.."it sounds like more car trouble." but I felt it in my bones... "Did she ever return, I think the furtherest I ever drove after doing one of those tricks was 20-30 miles.....but you know what? **I** never had the guts to admit it for the amusement of all my friends..*grin*...Thanks for sharing...*giggle* |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Janie Date: 22 Oct 03 - 07:10 PM Jeri, Jeri, Jeri.... I forgot to mention the biggest thrill of singing in that church. It was the first time in my 50 odd years that I got to sing in church in a key I could actually sing! Edmond--do you really think so? It would be awesome. Janie |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Amergin Date: 22 Oct 03 - 07:15 PM Didnt Tom Paxton do a song about that? some guy who got stuck on the turnpike because he keeps missing his exit? |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Micca Date: 22 Oct 03 - 07:44 PM Theres a Turnpike in New Jersey where Jeri made her trip but nobody had told her that it was a Mobius strip |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: MMario Date: 22 Oct 03 - 08:25 PM Jeri - I once visited my parents on Cape cod because I turned the wrong way on the NY thruway going from albany to rochester... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Tinker Date: 22 Oct 03 - 09:14 PM Another memory ... handing Mick the keys to my van after he volunteered to take the Shellbacks to the liquor store. ( I had heard bits and pieces of the list) How much could they want?, he innocently asked. They took the van.... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Dani Date: 22 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM And they left one behind! I sat with him as we discussed differences between English and American music events (the chief difference being the amount of alcohol consumed). He said folks had gone out after more. I looked up and said, "On a Sunday?!" Being from the South, I was alarmed at the prospect of unsuspecting liquor stores being closed, and them pressing their noses up against the glass, mournfully swearing under their breath. His face grew quite pale.... Turned out Maryland isn't QUITE the South! Whew... Dani |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Susan A-R Date: 22 Oct 03 - 10:15 PM Mary, your jacket is in the lost and found box at Bill's house. Still singing, gradually shifting over from folk to Mahler, Ives and Schumann for a concert this weekend, but I made sure I put some Burns songs on my part of the program, so I'm still holding a thread. Missed fiddle jam session last night, but had enough stored up to make it through. Jeri, I think the NJ turnpike is indeed the twilight zone. Sounds like your car likes it at Ramblewood and has a mind of its own. |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Songster Bob Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:17 AM << Didnt Tom Paxton do a song about that? some guy who got stuck on the turnpike because he keeps missing his exit? >> "... and eternally, that poor car takes The first turn to the right." Yes, he did. Bob |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Alaska Mike Date: 23 Oct 03 - 07:18 AM My what a wonderful weekend. For a time I felt out of place (about half a second) then EVERYBODY made me feel more than welcome. The Getaway Gang is the singingest group of people I have ever met. The Shellbacks are my special buddies forever. Colin, Carole, Alan, Derick, Theresa, Jim, Snuffy, Noreen, Andy, (Oh no I can't remember all their names). Sorry, still suffering from sleep deprivation I think. So many new friends, so many talented people all in the same place and the same time. Mick and Gary and Bill and Rita and Roger and Max and Dani and Kendall and Bob and Barry and David and Judy and Bruce and Susan and Joe and Dick and all the others that I just can't pluck from my memory at this moment. We are still vacationing for the next week or so. Tawmmie and I have been visiting the museums in D.C. for the past few days and are suffering from culture shock as well. We will be heading up to Mass and Maine after today and then home to Alaska on the 31st. I promise to send some pictures when we get home. Bye for now, Thanks again for the fabulous Getaway. Mike |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Janie Date: 23 Oct 03 - 08:13 AM Among the many gems at the Humor workshop was Dan? Shatz' rendition of Old MacDonald in Yiddish. Wonderful sounds! Janie |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Willie-O Date: 23 Oct 03 - 09:20 AM Jeri said: "I got talking to a gentleman. Me: "How ya doin'?" Him: "Pretty good - I'm almost home." Me: "I've got a way to go." Him: "Where ya headed?" Me: "New Hampshire." Him: "Uh...it's the other way." I had almost the same conversation in a canoe in the dark once. Was working for Natural Resources documenting trout spawning beds (by going out at night with spotlights and finding them doing it...tres kinky) and we couldn't figure out why the inlet we needed to find wasn't materializing--saw a light, called out to the cottager and he hollered back "You're on the wrong lake!" Turned out we had gone the wrong direction at put-in. Duh. Well I will be looking up Edmund and Char later today to take possession of that autoharp--thanks Jim! I'll let you know how it seems. Dang it sounds like you guys had fun. Probably WORTH freezing half to death... Bill |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: momnopp Date: 23 Oct 03 - 10:34 AM Oh, feckryinoutloud -- it wasn't THAT cold -- unless you were sitting still for an extended period of time, possibly out of the sun, not under a blanket, without a cup of hot tea. . .er, um, well, maybe it was a tad on the chilly side... But with all the warmth and love and kinship bouncing around, who could stop to notice? The Shellbacks are such great fun and wonderful folk and INCREDIBLE musicians -- I was duly impressed. The voice of the 16 year-old angel, Elizabeth LaPrelle, rings still in my head -- what tones! Amos -- yes, you MUST come to a Getaway as soon as humanly possible! Side-busting skit by the Shells plus Alaska Prince -- I haven't laughted that hard in a while, and I laugh pretty frequently...Awwright...Ruth, you are a stitch! (Get that woman on the 'cat already!) Morticia writes, "BTW please return the Shellbacks as you found them.....I think there may be a deposit on the empties." Fear not, Morty and Menolly, Col K's store of hugs is not depleted in the least by sharing them in America. It was wonderful to have a chance to "experience" a real Colin hug -- they are now legendary on BOTH sides of the pond. (Ask Col K to tell you about meeting Big Mick just moments after arriving at the Getaway.) Missing Person Soup Kitchen have some of the most lovely harmonies, and I loved watching Bill Kimmons sing with adoring eyes turned to his wife. I realize it's easier to stay in time with someone while looking at them, but this was much more than that! As always, the Getaway weekend renews me enough to carry on for the next six months or so -- even when I'm not participating fully in as many workshops as I'd like, I love singing along. And the energy generated throughout the grounds is positively magical. It's my idea of a "luxury" weekend -- creature comforts are "easy" to come by but the manna of the music and people at the Getaway is priceless. Peace and music, JudyO |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: GUEST,MMario Date: 23 Oct 03 - 10:37 AM let us not forget Big Mick meeting his match in Theresa! |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Barry Finn Date: 23 Oct 03 - 10:59 AM What an incredible time, what joy & pleasure, like multiple .....oop's,thrills. I'd like to thank Rita, Jennifer & Charlie for the tremendous amount time & energy they had to have spent(& many others) for doing a job so well done. It was great meet, hear & do a workshop with Alaska Mike, his "I did, I did, Iditarod" song & his ballad of a young whaler's first & only kill are bound to become songs that will be well sung by many others. Singing a couple of songs, no matter what songs, next to Mary Lamarca is a wonderful experience, thanks Mary you'd make anyone sound great. I was bowed over listening to Rita singing some real choice songs. Janice Cole had me in stitches with her food (some how I don't think food was the real subject of the song) song, the last time I laughed that hard was when she sang "Rubber Ducky" a few yrs ago (I nearly died from a laughing fit that nearly triggered an asthma attack). Then the other side of Janice's voice, singing "South Wind" at 3am is a knock out. Heather Wood's singing of anything combined with her sharp wit is always dead on, she seems to nail everything she sings. Hey, Joe Offer I didn't know camp songs could be so visual & aerobic you should take yourself on the road (that's a high complement). Ron & Jan Davies's rap song (never enjoyed rap so much) of the Pheromones was another song that' was quite the hit, great job. I've heard about Joe Hickerson forever & have an LP of his but to hear him sing in the same room was masterful. One of the biggest singing highlights for me was listening to young Elizabeth LaPrelle 'of the mountains' sing, it was like traveling in time warp into a past where all the old ghosts from the hills seemingly sing through her. What can you say about the Shellbacks, terrific singers & terrific people down to the man/woman. They approach singing with all their heart & soul & never stop. Singing with Noreen, Alanww, Snuffy, Carole, Derek, Jill, Theresa, & the rest is a festival in it's self. Spirit & passion in everything they do & they spread it naturally, WOW. I know I only slightly touched on all that was great but I don't have a spare 8 hrs. to continue & still I wouldn't cover much. Jeri, Susan A-R & I some how did much the same driving back. We missed the New Jersey Turnpike because we mysteriously couldn't get off Rt95 even though we were following all the signs & directions. We finally ended up on the turnpike but we were already past better than ½ the way, oh well, didn't matter much Susan was a great traveling companion. Barry |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Amos Date: 23 Oct 03 - 11:18 AM You Can't Go Home Again.... (Three Penny Opera orchestra fades in with overture and segues into "Mac the Knife". Old bearded folkie in a opork-pie hat shambles up from a dark corner of the stage and tells his tale in a style blending Frank Sinatra and Gordon Lightfoot....) There's a turnpike (yeah) Down in Joisey (yeah) Where the twilight zone Comes down It only goes in One direction You know Jeri's back in town! She tried hard (yeah) To escape (yeah) Drove that turnpike All night long Somehow space it- Self got twisted She was back in Camp by dawn! If you're leaving Ramblewood now Take a tip from Jeri's tome! Once you make that Folkie scene, man, Jus' don't bother Heading home!! (Fade out with finger snapping and Sinatra style bebop hum....folkie rambles off stage right snapping fingers) |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Tinker Date: 23 Oct 03 - 11:47 AM Okay I confess, Barry I did exactly what you did, only I turnt around after a couple of exits and tried again...I really needed to be on the Jersey Turnpike. |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Charley Noble Date: 23 Oct 03 - 12:07 PM You just sniff the air, And if it's fair, You're bound for them Jersey meadows! Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Tinker Date: 23 Oct 03 - 12:41 PM And was anyone else around when Emily tried Snuffy's snuff???? |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Bill D Date: 23 Oct 03 - 01:13 PM ok, folks...I have just had my first full nights sleep in 6 days, so here is the first installment of pics. (I just FTPd these to my place, so Pene, if you want to harvest them to put directly on Mudcat events with thumbnails, fine!,If you want me to zip them and email them to you, let me know.) I began with Lily Ani and her parents, aunts & uncles and the great carjacking episode..pic titles should be self-explanatory..(there are several more views of the car jacking...I'll dig 'em out if you all gotta have 'em) http://users.starpower.net/extree/Getaway-2003/ |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: PaulineL Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:05 PM Bill D (Day), your photos are great! The ones with Lily Ani and others in the dining hall show some of the fun. I missed the great workshop on getting Jeri's car off of the tree stump due to a schedule conflict. Looking at your photos is almost as good as being there. I especially loved the ones with Jeri triumphant. Thanks so much for posting them! Pauline |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: lamarca Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:51 PM Hello from a (mostly) Lapsed 'Catter... I came back on for the first time in months to read the Getaway thread, harrass Kendall, say hi to Rick, and jump in on yet another thread about singer/songwriters vs. traditional singers (some things never change). In doing all this, I remembered why I left the 'Cat - I got so wrapped up in playing online, I missed supper, and almost missed Brian Peters' concert! So I'll prob'ly go away again after this message - I got no self control when it comes to threads... For the first time in a couple years, I really regretted that I was just day-tripping to the Getaway - boy, was the unorganized/disorganized singing great this year! In addition to being great singers themselves, the Shellbacks were a catalyst for great contributions from long-time Getaway attendees, both FSGW and Mudcat. I guess you could call it "hybrid vigor", but I don't know how much, ah, hybridizing was going on after hours... I had decided not to house any Shellbacks, owing to my incredibly bad housekeeping skills, but Theresa and I hit it off in just a couple songs, and I was REALLY glad she came to stay with us! The after Getaway gatherings gave us all chances to make music in smaller groups, swap stories and get to know eachother better (and Theresa very politely listened to me lengthily bemoaning the rejection of our latest paper by yet another medical journal and ignored the clutter and cat hair that fills our house...) I look at the small East Coast festivals, like NOMAD and NEFFA, and Getaways as "Folk Family" gatherings, where you get to see the family of your heart several times a year (including some of the weird second-cousins and noxious in-laws you have to put up with at any family gathering...). Even though we may live far away from each other, it's great to know I'll get to see and sing with friends I've met through music: Kendall, Barry, Jeri, Big Mick, Joe Offer (among too many others to name). But making new friends through the music is wonderful, too, and I hope I'll get to see and sing again with Theresa, Alaska Mike, Snuffy, Alanww, and all the rest of you whose names have fallen through the steel sieve that is my brain. Love to you all... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: nutty Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:08 PM MMario ....you can't be so vague .....please tell us what Theresa did to Big Mick ..... we are all dying to know |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: MMario Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:19 PM well - it's probably more what Mick tried to do with Theresa (and failed in the attempt) it was sorta a "David and Goliath" moment... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: GUEST,MMario Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:23 PM *chortle* I just found this qoute in a previous thread from the '98 Getaway .... I wonder if she ever imagined.... I do hope we'll get to meet some more Mudcatters next year. - Rita Ferrara BTW - that thread was a whopping 9 posts... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Micca Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:23 PM He didnt (shock horror) try to sing LOUDER???? |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: MMario Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:38 PM ah - I really don't want to mess this story up...so hopefully someone else who was there will chime in and tell the story in a manner it deserves. ps - sure I can be vague - I'm real good at vague - in fact sometimes I'm so vague I don't even know what I'm talking about.pps - no, micca - I suspect what he tried was WORSE! |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: George Papavgeris Date: 23 Oct 03 - 07:26 PM Bahhh, sourgrapesI'msureitwasallsoveryboringwishIcouldhavebeenthere... Who, me jealous? So nice to join voices across the water. One day I'll do it too.... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Dani Date: 23 Oct 03 - 08:19 PM OK, I almost forgot to share two of my FAVORITE memories. One'll be my favorite musical moment forever, and I will cherish it always. I love to sing. Have never had the time (or the teacher!) to learn the instruments I'd like to play, so have settled for singing and the kazoo. Have gotten pretty darn good (locally famous; the pied kazooer, you know) and I LOVE to play it. God knows you don't get many opportunities... but usually Jim (Gutbucketeer) provides one or two a year ; ) This year, Joel Bailes' Barrelhouse Piano Jam was an absolute BLAST!! He has a wonderful spirit, and style, and created some real fun in the gym. Wish I hadn't left for one of those darn conflicts. But it was great to jam on Jim's homemade kazoo! But then... THEN, during the Saturday night dining room sing, there came a song I wasn't familiar with, but that had (no shit!) a rousing chorus. Vaughan (Snuffy?) came to my side and whispered in my ear, " 'Ave you got yer kazoo on ya?" HAVE I?!?! There was a line for bugle in the chorus (what song was that?) and he and I played. It was like being pulled out of the audience onto the stage at Carnegie HALL, or up to dance with Bruce Springsteen for cryin' out loud! Thank you, Vaughan, and Joel, and Jim. Thank you all!! Dani |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Amos Date: 23 Oct 03 - 08:51 PM Bill D: Those photos are teeeeRIFic!! I can just see the sweat trickling down the assorted biceps as those 2-by's were wedged in under the wheels!! LOL!! Thanks! A |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: SINSULL Date: 23 Oct 03 - 09:00 PM Then there was the time that Mick started a sorrowful song about love, death, etc. and Dani chimed in on the kazoo. He retorted...something to do with his Irish grandmother. Why exactly was he strumming along off key to Kathy's song about her BOB? Feeling a bit insecure about being replaced by a battery, are we? |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Dani Date: 23 Oct 03 - 09:18 PM Nooooo... did I really?? I'm so sorry. Hey! What did he say about his Irish grandmother? My Irish grandmother coulda kicked his grandmother's butt. Dani |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Tinker Date: 23 Oct 03 - 09:34 PM Now Mary, perhaps he was just was just waiting to get his fingers slapped.... He did stop after that. I meant to give you the camera before I sang that song and I forgot... Oh well |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: GUEST,Lorraine Date: 24 Oct 03 - 07:00 AM Just a quick note to state the obvious. It was a wonderful wonderful Getaway! A magic thrill to connect with folks I'd never met before and feel the joy. Thanks every one. Lorraine |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: SINSULL Date: 24 Oct 03 - 10:22 AM Lucky ME!!!!! Alaska Mike and Tawmmie are headed this way. I expect their motorhome and more music tomorrow! I called my Dad in NY mainly to tell him about the Shellbacks. He got teary hearing about the Music Hall session. He too hasn't heard anything but the choruses in years. Singing with Theresa and Carole was like having my Aunt May back again. Who recited "Mother Musn't Know I Am On The Stage"? or something similar? |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: MMario Date: 24 Oct 03 - 10:44 AM sinsull - with all due respect.... PFFFFLLLLLTTTTTTT!!!!!!!Mike's CD had me alternately in tears or laughter - and sometimes laughing hard enough to tear up! most of the way home on monday. Some incredible examples of intensely personnal songs done so well that they strike right to the heart. and Tawmie I suspect is the proverbial "woman behind the successful man" - not to mention that she seemed to ALWAYS know the next word when someone faltered.... |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Tinker Date: 24 Oct 03 - 01:15 PM WAHHHH!!!! Mary I missed MIke's Cd"s if I send you some money can you try to get me a couple???? Puleeze???? Tinker Withverysadpuupydogeyes |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: GUEST,MMario Date: 24 Oct 03 - 01:23 PM Tinker - I wish I'd bought all three! (I only got one) |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Jeri Date: 24 Oct 03 - 01:37 PM I'm not sure I'm recovered yet. I decided to miss the session tonight - too burnt out and playing phone tag. Here's my 'Lost Highway' contribution. Maybe True Thomas needs a re-write. There's a tale they tell of a lonesome road In the dark New Jersey night When October winds howl a fearsome song And the moon's the only light When the world we know and the world we dream Are not so far apart And the road you may find your self upon Can chill the stoutest heart Oh see that wide road up ahead With many potholed lanes? You really wanted a different one But they look pretty much the same One road leads to New York City The other one to Hell If it were not for the Washington Bridge The difference we could not tell And see the invisible road that twists and turns? No, I didn't think you could It leads round and round, not back and forth The way a good road should It rolls on and on forever And goes nowhere in particular And trapped upon this Moebus highway Are all manner of things vehicular So be careful, you who drive upon The Turnpike of New Jersey For the night is dark and lonely And the exits have no mercy And the world we know and the world we dream Are not so very far apart And the road you may find your self upon Can chill the stoutest heart |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: GUEST,MMario Date: 24 Oct 03 - 01:51 PM Still, on a winter's night they say when the wind's in the trees; and the moon is a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas When the road is a ribbon of moonlight looping the purple moor Then Jeri will come driving, driving, driving Jeri still comes driving - along the Jersey shores. |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Amos Date: 24 Oct 03 - 02:48 PM LOL you guys!! Jeri, I must say rhyming vehicular with anything at all is a major accomplishment, but "particular"...well, under the circumstances we'll chalk it up to recovery-phase, huh??? LOL!! love, A |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Jeri Date: 24 Oct 03 - 04:04 PM Works better than 'testicular'! MMario, YES, - 'The Lost Highwaywoman'. *Someone* gave me a CD of a personal recording of a concert of theirs I attended (and sang a song at) and it's STILL in my car CD player! *Someone*, who is some mother's son, knows who they are (if they should read this). I LOVE it! Homemade recording or not, famous guy or not, this one is up there with other favorite recordings of mine. The songs and performances are all cherished gifts. Thank you, *Someone*. |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Tinker Date: 26 Oct 03 - 07:03 PM How could I have forgotten Shellback Ruth's song about the pigeon race. Her voice pulls me from the next room to watch when I'm transfering tape. It's such a wonderful song and it was masterfully done. I've got some Shellbacks again tommorrow as the rest of them head home. Maybe we can keep this thread up for them til they get home. |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: SINSULL Date: 26 Oct 03 - 07:15 PM Sorry, Tinker. I didn't see your post in time. But, the Campbells did leave me copies of all three CDs. If you are good to me, maybe I will lend them. Tawmmie cooked breakfast this morning. I was so glad. I forgot to set the clock back and so was up and showered at 5AM. Kept looking for the sun and Captain Morse but neither arrived. Finally called him and he announced (as if he had been hoping) "I'm not late. You forgot to set your clock back." We had breakfast and a few laughs. Then they left for Boston. I did enjoy them. Mike sang his Firdt Kill song for Kendall. And Kendall sang his Waling Song for him. Wonderful moments. Then Seamus spent the day with me. Life is good. |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Col K Date: 27 Oct 03 - 08:43 PM Well we aint home yet Some are in the air as I type this others are still enjoying US hospitality in various places. On behalf of all the Shellbacks can I say agreat big thankyou to all the wonderful people that we have met, both catters and others. Please can you pass these thanks on to those who do not visit the cat. We have all had a really tremendous welcome and are very grateful for all your help.I willmost likely not be posting again till I get home on Sunday or Monday next week. Once again Thanks Luv Ya All |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Charlie Baum Date: 28 Oct 03 - 02:55 PM LOST AND FOUNDSweatshirt, Navy blue, size XL, Old Navy brand, with "B-SLED Trials" design on the front.
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: GUEST,MMario Date: 28 Oct 03 - 02:59 PM Did anyone claim the Godiva Chocolate Liquor? |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Dan Schatz Date: 28 Oct 03 - 03:08 PM Jeri - Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! - *Someone* |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Charlie Baum Date: 28 Oct 03 - 03:17 PM The Godiva Chocolate liqueur had been brought to the previous Getaway (2002), brought back by me with last year's lost and found box, and was found by its original 2002 bringer. It was subsequently dedicated to public consumption at this year's Getaway. --Charlie |
Subject: RE: Getaway 2003 Memories From: Bill D Date: 28 Oct 03 - 04:29 PM LOST & LOST...I had a long, narrow electric heater that sat in the TV room against the wall all weekend...I unplugged it late Sunday night and put it near my wood stuff and the back door...it was not there Monday morning. If anyone recalls seeing it anywhere else, PM me. (I asked the camp guy Monday, and he had not seen it...but of course, had not looked for it.) |
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