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Les B 04 Sep 98 - 01:50 AM
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Barry Finn 04 Sep 98 - 08:23 AM
Les B 05 Sep 98 - 08:53 PM
Mick Lowe 07 Sep 98 - 04:23 PM
GUEST,i nany key 17 Jan 04 - 07:15 AM
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Subject: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Les B
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 01:50 AM

If you set the song in the key of G, can anyone tell me the chords in the third line of "Rose of Allendale" ? ie.. "Though flowers decked the mountainside, and fragrance filled the vale" My ear hears a D7 on "decked," but other people I play with suggest otherwise. Yes, I know the tune is in the Data Base, but not the mystery chord/s. Thanks for your ear !


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 02:27 AM

Hi Les - I don't have an instrument with me, but my mental ear gives me G7.

TGIF

John


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 07:23 AM

G'day, This works for me, i.e. no change of chord on "decked".

         C                 G
Though flowers decked the mountainside

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Sep 98 - 08:23 AM

Les I know you have the words but I thought you'd be intersted in this old thread I brought back up "Lyrics to Rose Of Allendale", you'll find some nice versions & backround to this song in it. Barry


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Les B
Date: 05 Sep 98 - 08:53 PM

Thanks, Barry, for the reminder about the words thread. I forgot that I was one of the respondents in it, and now I know when the song was written.


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 07 Sep 98 - 04:23 PM

Les,
If you want the music for this then check here
Cheers
Mick


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: GUEST,i nany key
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:15 AM


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Helen
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 10:34 AM

Guest, I assume that your cryptic Guest name means that you would like the chords "in any key".

When I used to go to regular music sessions the version we used was by Mary Black.

The Rose of Allendale
Key: G Major

The [G] morn was fair, the [C] skies were [G] clear,
no breath came o'er the [D] sea,
when [G] Mary left her [C] highland [G] home,
and wandered [D] forth with [G] me,
Though [C] flowers decked the [G] mountainside
and fragrance filled the [D] vale,
by [G] far the sweetest [C] flower [G] there
was the Rose of [D] Allen- [G] dale,

REFRAIN:
[G] was the Rose of Allen- [C] dale,
Sweet Rose of Allen- [D] dale,
by [G] far the sweetest [C] flower [G] there
was the Rose of [D] Allen- [G] dale


This is the 3-chord wonder version. Some people may put in some more interesting chords to vary it, e.g. using D7 instead of D.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: breezy
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 02:26 PM

I'ld be inclined to put the C on the syllable 'decked' so hold onto your tonic a little longer

I find a drooppy D to my inclinations, but thats me,cos you can pick the melody on the top 3 strings, then fit the chord around it



Have fun Les B and if you come to St Albans I'll play it for you

This is one of Zorg's basic menu pieces.
And Herga and Stalbans really lift it with their chorus singing, but then these two clubs are the best in England for chorus singing, card holding members.


Stand back and wait!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 03:54 PM

Here's an alternative set based on the tune & chords printed in "Folksongs and Ballds Popular in Ireland Vol 3"
with the odd G7th added in the verse and an Em and Am in the chorus

THE ROSE of ALLENDALE

[G] The morn was [G7] fair the [C] skies were [G] clear,
no breath came o'er the [D] sea,
When [G] Mary [G7] left her [C] highland [G] cot,
and [C] wandered [D] forth with [G] me,
Tho' [D] flowers decked the [G] mountainside
and [C] fragrance [G] filled the [D] vale,
By [G] far the [G7] sweetest [C] flower [G] there,
was the [C] Rose of [D] Allen- [G] -dale
Twas the Rose of Allen- [Em] -dale,
the [Am] Rose of Allen- [D] -dale
By [C] far the sweetest [G] flower there,
was the [C] Rose of [D7] Allen- [G] -dale


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Seaking
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 04:13 PM

Very similar to Helen but I play it slightly differently.. I learnt it from a Dubliners CD so guess it's down to whichever version you heard first and learnt from..

The Rose of Allendale
Key: G Major

The [G] morn was fair, the [C] skies were [G] clear,
no breath came o'er the [D (f# 6 string)] sea,
when [G] Mary left her [C] highland [G] home,
and wandered [D (f#)] forth with [G] me,
Though flowers [C]decked the [G] mountainside
and fragrance filled the [D(f#)] vale,
by [G] far the sweetest [C] flower [G] there
was the Rose of [D(f#)] Allen- [G] dale,

REFRAIN:
[G] was the Rose of Allen- [C] dale,
Sweet [Am]Rose of [Am (G 6 string)]Allen- [D(f#)] dale,
by [G] far the sweetest [C] flower [G] there
was the Rose of [D(f#)] Allen- [G] dale


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: breezy
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:39 PM

there you are LES B, C on decked

Ran it thru tonight at the gig, C on decked and I'll tell you bout the minor chord later


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Helen
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 09:09 PM

Some of you may not have noticed that LesB started this thread in 1998 but "Guest, i nany key" put another request in yesterday (or today if you are still living in the past, i.e. not using Oz time   ;->   ), which I was responding to, so LesB may be not be visiting this thread at this stage.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 09:29 PM

Several sheet music editions are at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music and American Memory. Note the spelling is "Allandale."


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 06:05 PM

The music in Masato's links, especially the chorus, bears no relation to the song as I have always heard it sung.

I have never heard Mary Black singing this song, but if she follows her usual practice, she will have butchered the melody to suit her own ends. I can only assume that this is why I see

Though [C] flowers decked the [G] mountainside in Helen's post above.

No way does this fit the melody I know. It would be

[D7]Though [G] flowers [D7]decked the [G] mountainside.

Just as LesB suggested in his first post.


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 06:35 PM

The sheet music indicated is for the original song, which will be why it seems unfamiliar. All Revival performers, so far as I can tell, sing instead forms of the song derived from the Copper Family of Rottingdean in Sussex. How convincingly they do it depends, largely, on how much attention they have paid. Mary Black got it from her brother Shay, I think, who learned it from Nic Jones, who learned it from the Coppers. Nic regularised rather the more interesting rhythmic phrasing the Coppers had developed, and Mary reduced it still further, singing it more or less as a standard Country and Western piece. Pretty, but diluted; and I think that she did not credit either the composers of the song or the Coppers, who rather improved it.

All this has already been gone over in considerable detail in previous discussions here. Probably we should just stick to "the chords" now, for people who need accompaniment to carry it for them. It seems unlikely that anything much that is new is likely to come up.


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 06:49 PM

Can somebody who has heard Mary Black's vesion post the actual notes she sings for that line ? Let's assume she sings it in G.

The notes, as I know them are

D,B,D,(highC),D,B,D,(highB) for "Though flowers decked the mountainside"


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Helen
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 09:34 PM

Malcolm, I cannot attest to whether the tune we did in our session was Mary Black's version of the tune, but it was the lyrics attributed to her version which I was referring to, in an attempt to narrow it down to one particular version.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Schantieman
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 08:13 AM

Chords???

For 'The Rose of Allendale' ??!!!!

Surely this is a wonderful song as it is - doesn't need any accompaniment!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 12:34 PM

So it has to be sung in unison only, no harmonies ????


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 08:22 PM

I have also heard 2 different tunes to this. the one most commonly heard in Scotland would be as shown by Seaking with the Em and Am in the chorus.
I would guess that the other version is the Copper family version as I have only heard it in England, usually sung at aslwer pace and rather more soulfully.


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Subject: RE: Rose of Allendale - chords ?
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 10:31 PM

Yes, that was rather a long time ago that I asked for the chords !!
I learned the song from the singing of Mary Black, and, when playing in G, I think I put a D (or D7) on "decked" - also put an Em in the chorus. Now I'll have to go and resurect it from the sock drawer - thanks for reminding me!


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