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BS: Matthew Shepard (1976-1998)

katlaughing 30 Oct 03 - 03:14 PM
AliUK 30 Oct 03 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,pdc 30 Oct 03 - 04:41 PM
GUEST,Rog 31 Oct 03 - 08:18 AM
AliUK 31 Oct 03 - 12:01 PM
LilyFestre 31 Oct 03 - 01:17 PM
katlaughing 31 Oct 03 - 01:19 PM
katlaughing 31 Oct 03 - 01:57 PM
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kendall 31 Oct 03 - 08:59 PM
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GUEST,rog 01 Nov 03 - 08:11 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 03 - 03:14 PM

Oh, kewl, thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: AliUK
Date: 30 Oct 03 - 03:44 PM

Scarey. Really scarey. I read the articles, I watched the clips ( I´d like to see the whole documentary) this guy is just so lucid, so with it and he knows his bible. Tha´s why he´s so dangerous. He has a persuasive manner and sure conviction. Just like that little Austrian painter a number of years ago. I hope nobody shoots Fred Phelps as that will make him bigger than he already is, but I hope he gets prostrate cancer ( being against sodomy he sure doesn´t go for his check-up I bet).


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:41 PM

I think one of the most telling aspects of Fred Phelps' stand against homosexuality is the fact that he has 11 children: either he keeps trying to prove something, or is in basic denial about certain latent aspects of his sexuality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,Rog
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 08:18 AM

This morning I read a message that I couldn't quite believe on another forum. I was going to ask on here if something so sick could be true, then noticed this thread about it aleady. What a sick world we live in. The piece I read had this link
online petition


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: AliUK
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 12:01 PM

Thanks for the link Rog. Now I feel I can make a statement even from so far away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: LilyFestre
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 01:17 PM

Melissa Etheridge sings a song entitled Silent Legacy. IMHO, the last set of lyrics says it all.

Mothers tell your children
Be quick you must be strong
Life is full of wonder
Love is never wrong
Remember how they taught you
How much of it was fear
Refuse to hand it down
The legacy stops here

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 01:19 PM

Thank you, Guest, Rog. That explains my confusion. I didn't realise it was Casper in which phelps wants to put this thing up. That explains the city council of Casper, not Laramie, trying to figure out what to do.

My "Rog" and I have both signed the petition and I plant to send the link to many friends. I am sure those I know in Casper are doing all they can to prevent phelps' abomination.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 01:57 PM

From my friend in the trenches in Casper (WY):

Phelps proposes to put these monuments all over the country. Casper is establishing an historical monument park so we can keep the 10 Commandments in a city park. It will be across from the library and behind the Nic. (The Nic is an art museum.)

This is really appalling,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: AliUK
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 02:33 PM

How lily-livered this town council is. To establish a new park so as to give in to some pissant God-botherer. leave the damned 10 Commandments there and refuse to put up with Phelp´s demands. This just shows how non-democratic the USA really is. What happend to majority opinion? But then I keep forgetting about how the country let George ( the UK is not free from this) walk into another country ( several if you count Korea, Vietnam, Granada, etc)


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: kendall
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 08:59 PM

Damn right I signed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: kendall
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 09:03 PM

Where and what time Tom? I'd like to join the thinkers with a sign.

WHACKO HATE MONGERS DO NOT SPEAK FOR MY GOD


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,rog
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 08:11 AM

Apparently the council rejected the plan.
Details here (amid annoying pop up ads) planetout


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: curmudgeon
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 08:44 AM

Kendall -- this

is probably the best link to the events thus far: Make sure to let us know if you will be in the neighborhood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 10:20 PM

A local High School staged "The Laramie Project" this weekend. About 18 of those nutballs showed up with signs that are just plain crazy evil. "Thank God for IED's" "You Will Eat Your Children" "God Laughs at Dead Soldiers".....

WTF?

Luckily, there were nearly 200 of us between them and the school.

Often, I can at least understand crazy thinking (even if it is flawed or twisted), but these folks make no sense whatsoever.

Worst part is they had several children with them. Poor little buggers. Imagine how they will turn out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: RangerSteve
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 06:38 PM

I just added my name to the petition. If the monument goes up, I'm sure it will be vandalized and destroyed in record time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: open mike
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 12:29 PM

No mention was made of the murderers who took Matthew's life.
What has become of them? Hopefully they are serving time.

They are the evil ones, and definately deserve punishment.
Both of them are serving double life sentences in prison.

Did you know there is a foundation in matthew's name? http://www.matthewsplace.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,Janice now in western NY State
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 01:57 PM

I believe the culprits were convicted of Murder One and faced the death penalty, but their lawyers had the either the wisdom or the audacity to contact the victim's parents and get them to say their son opposed the death penalty. Based upon that, the jury came back with a recommendation of life without parole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 09:34 PM

That bastard "Rev." Phelps just won't leave it alone. The latest from Matthew's hometown:

In response to Casper's new historical monument plaza, an anti-gay pastor in Kansas has renewed his request to have his own monument in town.

In a letter to the Casper City Council on Monday, the Rev. Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church restated his intentions to build a monument in Casper, the home of slain gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard.

Phelps protested Shepard's 1998 funeral and members of his family protested in Casper in 2003 after the council declined them permission to install a monument on city property. Phelps had asked permission on Oct. 2, 2003, while the city was debating what to do with its Ten Commandments monument.

On Monday morning, the city dedicated a historical monument plaza, which includes the Ten Commandments, the Declaration of Independence, the Mayflower Compact, the Magna Carta, the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Phelps said he would be willing to make his monument resemble the six others and would include a picture of Shepard and the engraving: "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, at age 21, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."

Mayor Kate Sarosy said she had not received Phelps' letter Monday evening and said she would speak with the city attorney and the other council members.

"Mr. Phelps' message is full of hate and not in the spirit of the monument plaza," Sarosy said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 09:49 PM

Gee, this almost makes me wish I believed in Hell; then I could take comfort in the idea of "Reverend" Phelps going there to start burning...

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 06:27 AM

Sounds like with one small change the monument they want could be true. Just alter it from "Entered Hell" to "Left Hell"! It's disgusting that these things are allowed in this day and age. Are this 'Rev' and his supporters not breaking and anti-hate laws?

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 06:47 AM

Hate's a virtue in the USA Dave, and of course greed is another. It won't stay different here much longer.

Eventually Americans will realise that Phelps is in fact the true face of Christianity, not an aberration, and perhaps more will learn to think for themselves about what morality means.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 04:18 PM

Isn't "Thou shalt not kill" included in the Ten Commandments in Wyoming?


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 07:22 PM

This seems a fitting conclusion for this thread.

One more thing, regarding this particular thread:
Check out the link to the op-ed piece
by the late lamented Mudcat member katlaughing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 08:59 PM

Those Mudcatters who listen to the Weekend Edition of NPR probably
know all the details about what led up to today's ceremony in Washington DC.

I don't listen, so I had to look around and check news stories
for details.
I did not know how an American citizen gets the privilege of
interment of their remains/cremains in the National Cathedral.

The Cathedral's Episcopal dean has to formalize and approve each case.
As the news has reported,
retired Episcopal priest Gene Robinson (now active at Chautauqua)
is a friend of Matthew Shepard's parents.
The Shepards told rev. Robinson that someone had suggested the National Cathedral,
and Robinson contacted the Cathedral on their behalf.

That's what I read ... hopefully this is accurate.

I was unaware that
Helen Keller, and her mentor Annie Sullivan,
were both interred there.   "The Miracle Worker."
Classy company.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 01:23 PM

I really ought to look around and find out
who all is memorialized in Washington, DC's National Cathedral.
It's some exalted company for Matthew Shepard's cremains.

Must be re-opening wounds, though,
this whole conclusion,
for his grieving parents.
Hope they feel a bit lighter as the pain fades.


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard (1976-1998)
From: CupOfTea
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 02:07 PM

The memorial service at the National Cathedral was streamed live on Facebook, and I happened to catch most of it. It ran very long - likely over 2 hours - with lots of music, and my Ipad battery gave out after a couple hours. Learned later that the actual placement of the ashes was not at that ceremony, but a private one later.

I was touched by Matthew's father's eulogy, but was in tears along with Bishop Gene Robinson, as he talked about this being a young man of faith. I don't think I've ever been so proud of being an Episcopalian as during this. I'm not gay, or a parent, or a sibling, but felt strongly during this service that Matthew was a part of my church family, and his death makes me think of all the beloved friends I have who are in the categories subject to the same kind of irrational and bigoted hate that lead to Matthew's death. I fear for trans youth, in particular, struggling to come of age and come into themselves.

In some ways it was also a memorial to the days gone by when acceptance of others' difference was becoming the norm, as we now face the days when hate is becoming the new normal in so many places. I hope Matthew's final resting place is in a location that 45 has to pass any time he visits the National Cathedral when he's pretending to be a Christian.

Joanne in Cleveland


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Subject: RE: BS: Matthew Shepard (1976-1998)
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 11:22 AM

Only one U. S. President is buried in the District of Columbia,
let alone the Nation Cathedral there.

Here he is.


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