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What is a Nyastaranga?

GUEST,HUMMING 04 Nov 03 - 12:52 AM
katlaughing 04 Nov 03 - 01:23 AM
Wilfried Schaum 04 Nov 03 - 02:43 AM
Wilfried Schaum 06 Nov 03 - 09:32 AM
GUEST,HUMMING 08 Nov 03 - 03:17 PM
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GUEST,HUMMING 09 Nov 03 - 07:01 PM
Wilfried Schaum 10 Nov 03 - 01:58 AM
GUEST,HUMMING 10 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM
Wilfried Schaum 12 Nov 03 - 02:58 AM
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Subject: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: GUEST,HUMMING
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 12:52 AM

Hi, me again. One more question . . . anyone know anything about the Nyastaranga a North Indian membrane instrument in the form of a "throat trumpet." Not to be confused with the double reed Nagasvaram of Southern India. The only thing I found on the Internet was on some Jazz Oboe page and the information there is suspect. The other stuff I came across wasn't in English and I'm ashamed to admit that I'm not multilingual. I know this is sort of a weird question for this forum but I figured I'd toss it out there anyway. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 01:23 AM

Hmmm...according to that jazz oboe site they are one in the same: The nagasvaram or nyastaranga is a mirliton which is an Indian instrument that has a sympathetic vibrating membrane such as the double reed on an oboe which gives it a similar sound to the oboe. BUT, all of the references I found for mirliton said it was a kazoo-like toy instrument or, something in Creole cooking, or tin soldiers!:-)

I did find this at the Thesaurus of Musical Instruments which seems to support what you've said about the two being different instruments, as there is no nyastaranga listed for a nagasvaram:

Nagasvaram
MT379 .N35 (Instruction)
UF
Nadasvaram
Nadaswaram
Nagasuram
Nakasvaram
Nayanam
BT - Musical instruments--India
Oboe

Google does translate pages, but sometimes they don't make a lot of sense. Good luck, this should be interesting!

kat


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 02:43 AM

Nyastaranga and nagasvaram can't be the same; judging from a picture the nagasvaram is not a mirliton but a double reed wind instrument like the oboe.
The nyastaranga doesn't seem to be an instrument of classical music, so I didn't find it in the online Hindi-English dictionaries. Unfortunately our small Department of Comparing Linguistics is closed and my friend who could have looked it up in a Hindi encyclopaedia is gone.

Mirliton
    A group of devices that uses a vibrating membrane to distort sound. The mirliton is a type of membranophone. the best-known mirliton is the kazoo.
Glossary of Musical Terms

Sorry
Wilfried


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 09:32 AM

Just found it scrutinizing the treasures of our University Library:

Nyâstaranga (skr. upanga) ind. klassisches Instrument von der Gestalt eines geraden Horns, das wohl den Mirlitons zugerechnet werden muß; im Kesselmundstück sitzt ein feines Spinnwebe, das, wenn man das Instrument beim Singen oder Summen gegen den Kehlkopf drückt, mitschwingt und einen oboenartigen Ton erzeugt. Das Instrument, dessen Spiel sehr schwer ist, wird gelegentlich auch paarweise benutzt. Länge 43 - 52 cm.

Sachs, Curt: Real-Lexicon der Musikinstrumente. - [Repr. of the ed.] Berlin : Hesse, 1913. - Hildesheim : Olms, 1962. - S. 274 b

Nyâstaranga (sanskrit upanga) Indian classical instrument with the form of a straight horn which should be classed with the mirlitons; in the hollow mouthpiece there is a spider web which, when pressed to the larynx during singing or humming, starts swinging and generates a sound like the oboe. Playing the instrument is rather difficult; sometimes it is used in pairs.

Seems to me the right instrument for a Guest, Humming

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: GUEST,HUMMING
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 03:17 PM

WILFRIED: Thank you so much for taking the time to research the Nyastaranga for me! The information you have provided and translated is the best I have come across. I'm curious, what University are you affiliated with? Are you a professor? Just curious.


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 08:36 PM

Why are you asking?

First question?

AND

Second question?


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: GUEST,HUMMING
Date: 09 Nov 03 - 07:01 PM

Why am I asking what? Why am I asking about the Nyastaranga or why am I asking about WILFRIED?? Just curious about WILFRIED no obligations to answer. I'm asking about the Nyastaranga because I like weird instruments.


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 01:58 AM

Hi Humming - After finishing my studies of Semititistics, Islamology and Latin I was in charge of the library of the Oriental Institute at the University of Giessen (state of Hessen, about 60 km nort of Frankfurt/Main).
Now I am a librarian at Giessen University Library, and it is a much shorter way to the shelves with the encyclopaedias.
I am always glad when I am able to help a fellow mudcatter with rather unusual questions.

Regards
Wilfried

Anonymous guest - why should that be your concern? Don't answer, please.


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: GUEST,HUMMING
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM

Wilfried: Thanks for the background. You went out of your way to assist me and I had the feeling you were a scholar of some prominence . . . and apparently you are! just call me nosy!


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 02:58 AM

You're welcome.

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: GUEST,kelly
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 02:21 AM

Any idea how to pronounce Nyâstaranga


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 06:40 AM

BTW Sachs says another word for it is "umcunga" - he doesn't say in what language. Googling says that's a Brazilian word for "mouth bow" and that appears to be what Sach's description is of, rather than a kazoo. That is, the vibrating element can be a string rather than a membrane.

According to Wikipedia the upanga in South India is a bagpipe used solely as a drone. And their meaning for it Swahili is "sword".

http://208.47.228.196/Collections/search-the-collections/500767

The Grove Dictionary description is a bit more illuminating:

http://themusicdictionary.org/nyastaranga/


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 10:42 AM

Sounds like a vuvuzela to me.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 11:06 AM

A vuvuzela is a horn or trumpet, so no it isn't.


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