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Recommended beginner fiddle bows?

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GUEST,Ely (at Mom's) 13 Nov 03 - 08:36 PM
GUEST 13 Nov 03 - 08:45 PM
Jeri 13 Nov 03 - 09:20 PM
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Subject: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GUEST,Ely (at Mom's)
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 08:36 PM

My mother has been asking me what I want for Christmas and I finally decided to ask for a fiddle bow.

I know I don't want an extremely cheap bow--me learning fiddle will be hard enough on my family as it is--but I/they can't afford something great right away. Any advice on picking a decent "beginner" bow?

I played Suzuki method for a year when I was four; my mother keeps insisting "it will come back to you". Ha ha ha! I'd like to know WHAT will come back to me. But I appreciate her enthusiasm (she also wants to get me a how-to video on Cajun music . . . ).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 08:45 PM

I have used one of the (Glass Fibre?) bows for the last couple of years. I find them better than a than a cheap wooden bow for the same money.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 09:20 PM

I'd tend to agree with GUEST. I've never owned a composite bow, but I've tried them out in stores. If someone else is picking out a bow for you and you don't get to test drive it, it's a whole lot less of a gamble buying one of the composite bows. (I think they're carbon fiber.) They're decent bows and a lot less expensive than wooden bows of similar quality.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 09:25 PM

Ely, the Fiddler in my band is a very fine fiddler, if cost indicates anuthing about ability, ( And I know it really doesn't) he drives a $6,000.00 violin with a composite bow. He has others that are equal in value to his orchestral violin but he says he tends to use his composite boy most of the time.

Don


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 09:41 PM

"composite boy"

didn't Oscar Wilde get into trouble for doing similar things?

:-)

Robin


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: NicoleC
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 10:00 PM

I have a Cosa Aspire carbon graphite as my backup bow. It retails at $265 but you can pick them up new for about $220. For the money, it's a great bow. My only complaint is that it's response is not very fast, but it is very stable and easy to play. I sometimes use it when I am trying to learn something hard or just having an off day.

There's a Coda Colours (same bow, but in pretty iridescent finish), 1 year old on eBay for $200 "Buy It Now" today. Great deal, but might need rehair.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GUEST,Ely
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 10:05 PM

Fast response is not going to be an issue for a long time, but stable and easy to play would be helpful. I've actually seen a bunch of these advertised online but it's good to have reviews that AREN'T posted by the sellers. Thanks, all of you!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 11:33 PM

The best bow I've ever owned is a Coda Conservatory (their mid-range); I doubt if I will ever need a better one. For learners (not just beginners), the Aspire is very good; it will be years before you need to upgrade. Not all players get on with carbon/graphite bows, and there is a certain amount of snobbery involved sometimes, too; but you would need to be very lucky to get an equivalent wood bow at anything near the price. They don't warp, crack or split, and the sticks have a lifetime guarantee.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 11:35 PM

Well, I have driven the compostits and don't like them much...but then I have 2 permanbuco sticks, both with real horse hair....I think the wood sticks are MUCH more responsive than the carbon thingies....but I may be prejudiced. I would say, ask for a gift certificate to a string/bow shop and try them out yourself....my newest (and favorite) was a consignment from the Salt Lake City UT, (US) concertmaster, bought at a consignment shop in SLC....I loved it....

The clerk said '2'...I understood that to mean $200.00 US....Mr. thought it really meant $2.00 US.....he said, go for it...so I did....LOL, did he nearly have heart failure....this bow was originally $900.00 US on congsignment...hadn't sold....bows are SO individual....I found a French one at a festival several years ago that I still lust after....only $1,700.....but, I like heavy bows and not everybody does....a heavy viola bow would do me fine if it were a pernamubco stick......and real horsehair....can't stand that fiberglass stuff.....

Get a gift certificate......try the bows yourself....


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GLoux
Date: 14 Nov 03 - 03:19 PM

As a data point, there are reasonably priced ($175 and up) pernambuco bows for sale at Shar, as Sorcha says, bows are SO individual. Buy one that feels right.

-Greg


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: NicoleC
Date: 14 Nov 03 - 05:07 PM

I've tried a bunch of those $150-$250 pernambuco bows, and I was not impressed. However, Shar and other online sellers will let you have them on trial. You get to try them out for a few days and return it if you don't like it.

I think Sorcha is right - a gift certificate is a better way to go. Or if they buy from someone with a good selection, with the understanding that it's a gift and you will need a longer evaluation period.


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 14 Nov 03 - 06:28 PM

Holy crap. I just dropped into this thread coz my 8-year old just started in on the Suzuki method and he's pretty keen. I had NO IDEA bows cost so much! And I think it's too late to switch to spoons ...


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GUEST,Ely
Date: 27 Dec 03 - 11:45 PM

Just wanted to say thank you. I ended up getting a Coda Aspire and, now that I've got enough rosin built up on it to bite the strings, it seems to be working well. If this doesn't inspire my parents to throw me out of the house, nothing will ;). Just kidding. I've had it for three days and can half-assed play about five songs, which I think is not bad considering I only took lessons for one year to start with and haven't been near a violin in 22 years.


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: NicoleC
Date: 28 Dec 03 - 02:26 AM

Enjoy your Coda -- I do. I had the same problem getting enough rosin on the new hair when I got it, but once I did it was no problem after that.


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 03 - 08:44 AM

Much nonsense is written about Violin Bows. With good technique any reasonable bow can be made to sound like it cost a million.

But that is not what the trade want the poor student to think - suckered every time.

25 bucks is too much for a used or student bow!


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: Bassic
Date: 28 Dec 03 - 09:04 AM

Hi Ely, original Guest was me, cant think why I was being anonymous that day! Good luck with the composite. It should give you good service. I went back to the fiddle after 34 years and REALY enjoy it again now. Have been playing again for 2 years now and am MILES ahead of where I was when I originaly gave up at age 11 to take up the cello. The fiddle I use is a well set up (changed the bridge and strings) Chinese mass produced thing that cost me less than £60 (about $100?) and the bow was bought seperately for £45. I will be looking to upgrade both in the next 12 months but they have both been stable, given more tone than my technique could use up to now, and I havnt been scared to throw them in the back of the car and take them to crowded sessions like I would have been with a more expensive instrument.

Just a quick tip, now you have the rosin built up on the bow, try to not "over do" the rosin, just add it as and when you feel you have lost the amount of "bite" that you want to use, (in other words dont automatically re-load the bow with rosin every time you take it out of the case). Depending on the way you play and the style you use you may find this makes things a bit more controlable. However it is a personal thing and trial and error is the best way.

Good luck and happy fiddling in 2004!


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: GUEST,Nashviolin
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM

I've played with a number of different bows and finally went on a limb with a Carbon Fibre composite bow called a Premiere CF. Don't bother trying to google it to find out about the brand because there's virtually nothing out there...trust me, I've looked. the balance is nice, thought the bow tension is a bit low for my tastes. It's is very light. I got my from wwbw, and it was only 89.00. Definately worth it. It is a little "tangy" as the material isn't as soft as Perm or brazil, but I don't notice it unless I'm up in 4th or 5th position. (I think it has more to do with my limited skill in those positions, rather than the bow, though). Give it a shot. I did just look and an Arcus (it retailed at $395) and I couldn't imagine a bow being as light as that...something to think about saving up for...


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: Scoville
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:01 PM

I ended up with a Coda Aspire composite bow and it's working fine ($238 US).


How did this get resurrected, anyway? Oh, well--maybe some other rank novice can use it.


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Subject: RE: Recommended beginner fiddle bows?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:02 PM

I was going to say that something 'from the waist' would be appropriate, but the first few posts made clear that that is not the intent of this thread.


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